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The dude who is borderline yelling for hours at a time. He has an angle, same as anyone, and he has already decided that this is a nothingburger. As for the experts, I can line up some other experts who say something else. It doesn't matter how many of them there are, science is not a democracy. Go for it. I've seen very few experts who want to put their name to an augment that the global lockdown response with their economic strains is appropriate for what we've seen so far from this particular coronavirus. At least not recently. Those who do seem to be using numbers which have some fairly severe credibility issues. Then there are non-experts such as Bill Gates who have certain pet projects like ID2020 which are well served by hysterical panic over this thing. |
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there is many issues with many types of drugs for instance. a drug that does the 'killing' of the virus. does not allow the patients own antibodies to actually fight it. thus no immunity afterwards. and only works while the drugs are in the person system this is why when giving antivirals they are then checking back later to see if it was the antiviral that destroyed it. or if it was the other meds that boosted the patients longevity long enough for the body to fight it. the key here is the hope of something that will cause the body to next time recognise the virus, not over react. and just destroy it. without issue... thats called true immunity. what we dont want is where a drug does something just to treat the immuno response(breathing difficulty). meaning people will have issues breathing first to then need meds. what we dont want is where after an infection recovery.. people are not immune. so can get it again within weeks of not taking meds there is no magic single pill solution right now. and most multiple pill solutions so far are just treating symptoms. and come with their own sideeffect list of their own so they too not perfect. and come with no guarantee of true immunity after what doctors are prefering is just to keep the patient alive long enough for the patients own body to combat it. meaning the bodies own white blood cells learn to recognise and handle it. and hope that the white blood cells remember how to handle it next season and beyond.. |
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... The highly esteemed doctors and scientists that are increasingly vocal calling bull on the pandemic....I'm just asking if you know their names. I'm honestly not interested in what any media outlet has to say about the situation. I look for the the most reputable scientists and doctors that have dedicated at least a few decades to infectious diseases and listen to them. Someone produced a legible write-up on some of these doctors and scientists. Enjoy: https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/ |
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did you actually bother to even read it one guy moans about 'only 1 in 1000 reported. and death is 1 in 20,000' do the maths. for every 20 reports there are 1 death = 5% guess what the reason why only 1in 1000 reported is because if we take say 30k people.. 27k will be self isolating and not even get it yet.. of the 3k that get it ~90% wont need hospital care due to non symptomatic/mild. so 300 reported as the are complaining or more stronger symptoms.. and of that 15 die so the math works.. but here is the thing thats only 10% population herd immunity (gathering together and spreading) just wait until the other 90% decided to mingle... ill explain it more simply its only 15 deaths in this example because of self isolation. if all 100% of people mingled in public it would be more like 150 .. which 150 death of 30,000 is likesaying out of 11 million in wuhan 1.1m more than mild and 55k death yep wuhan escaped 55k death and instead got more like under 5k death.. why.. because more than 90% self isolated.. what is not being said is them 90% will get it eventually a second wave is actually a real risk. not fantasy self isolation did not immunise the city.. it delayed who gets it. 90% of wuhan have still yet to get it.. .. so even by using his maths.. the numbers add up to it being a bad thing you just have to realise that the event is not over.. this is calm before storm |
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there is many issues with many types of drugs for instance. a drug that does the 'killing' of the virus. does not allow the patients own antibodies to actually fight it. thus no immunity afterwards. and only works while the drugs are in the person system this is why when giving antivirals they are then checking back later to see if it was the antiviral that destroyed it. or if it was the other meds that boosted the patients longevity long enough for the body to fight it. the key here is the hope of something that will cause the body to next time recognise the virus, not over react. and just destroy it. without issue... thats called true immunity. what we dont want is where a drug does something just to treat the immuno response(breathing difficulty). meaning people will have issues breathing first to then need meds. what we dont want is where after an infection recovery.. people are not immune. so can get it again within weeks of not taking meds there is no magic single pill solution right now. and most multiple pill solutions so far are just treating symptoms. and come with their own sideeffect list of their own so they too not perfect. and come with no guarantee of true immunity after what doctors are prefering is just to keep the patient alive long enough for the patients own body to combat it. meaning the bodies own white blood cells learn to recognise and handle it. and hope that the white blood cells remember how to handle it next season and beyond.. Your bottom-line point is that the medical shouldn't be trusted at all, because there are many issues with many drugs, and nobody is tossing these drugs into the garbage. They are still being prescribed! God point, though. Also good reason to not trust the medical at all. 
did you actually bother to even read it one guy moans about 'only 1 in 1000 reported. and death is 1 in 20,000' do the maths. for every 20 reports there are 1 death = 5% guess what the reason why only 1in 1000 reported is because if we take say 30k people.. 27k will be self isolating and not even get it yet.. of the 3k that get it ~90% wont need hospital care due to non symptomatic/mild. so 300 reported as the are complaining or more stronger symptoms.. and of that 15 die so the math works.. but here is the thing thats only 10% population herd immunity (gathering together and spreading) just wait until the other 90% decided to mingle... ill explain it more simply its only 15 deaths in this example because of self isolation. if all 100% of people mingled in public it would be more like 150 .. which 150 death of 30,000 is likesaying out of 11 million in wuhan 1.1m more than mild and 55k death yep wuhan escaped 55k death and instead got more like under 5k death.. why.. because more than 90% self isolated.. what is not being said is them 90% will get it eventually a second wave is actually a real risk. not fantasy self isolation did not immunise the city.. it delayed who gets it. 90% of wuhan have still yet to get it.. .. so even by using his maths.. the numbers add up to it being a bad thing you just have to realise that the event is not over.. this is calm before storm You look at what these doctors and scientists say, and only apply things that you want to think about. The funny part is the things you think/speak about are the tiny slivers of what could be said, and they are opposite of most of the rest of it. |
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... The highly esteemed doctors and scientists that are increasingly vocal calling bull on the pandemic....I'm just asking if you know their names. I'm honestly not interested in what any media outlet has to say about the situation. I look for the the most reputable scientists and doctors that have dedicated at least a few decades to infectious diseases and listen to them. Someone produced a legible write-up on some of these doctors and scientists. Enjoy: https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/Again, why 12? Why not fifty? Or seven? |
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... The highly esteemed doctors and scientists that are increasingly vocal calling bull on the pandemic....I'm just asking if you know their names. I'm honestly not interested in what any media outlet has to say about the situation. I look for the the most reputable scientists and doctors that have dedicated at least a few decades to infectious diseases and listen to them. Someone produced a legible write-up on some of these doctors and scientists. Enjoy: https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/Again, why 12? Why not fifty? Or seven? I stopped reading when one of them mentioned "there have only been 40-50 deaths" then checked the date of the article, it was mid March. We're at what, > 8000 dead and heading toward a half a million cases? |
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... The highly esteemed doctors and scientists that are increasingly vocal calling bull on the pandemic....I'm just asking if you know their names. I'm honestly not interested in what any media outlet has to say about the situation. I look for the the most reputable scientists and doctors that have dedicated at least a few decades to infectious diseases and listen to them. Someone produced a legible write-up on some of these doctors and scientists. Enjoy: https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/Again, why 12? Why not fifty? Or seven? I stopped reading when one of them mentioned "there have only been 40-50 deaths" then checked the date of the article, it was mid March. We're at what, > 8000 dead and heading toward a half a million cases? Uh... https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/70k dead. And more than 1.2 million infected. As of this writing. |
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... The highly esteemed doctors and scientists that are increasingly vocal calling bull on the pandemic....I'm just asking if you know their names. I'm honestly not interested in what any media outlet has to say about the situation. I look for the the most reputable scientists and doctors that have dedicated at least a few decades to infectious diseases and listen to them. Someone produced a legible write-up on some of these doctors and scientists. Enjoy: https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/Again, why 12? Why not fifty? Or seven? I stopped reading when one of them mentioned "there have only been 40-50 deaths" then checked the date of the article, it was mid March. We're at what, > 8000 dead and heading toward a half a million cases? Uh... https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/70k dead. And more than 1.2 million infected. As of this writing. I think the guy was referring to US numbers, but still, even if he was a well intented critic, a criticism with numbers from almost three weeks ago can be tossed. |
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Fear mongering. 70K dead in 3 months ok.
But what is the age mean of those people???
What were their health states BEFORE contacting Covid-19???
Did they die directly from Covid-19 or did they die from their other sicknesses and were simply Covid-19 positive???
Who actually checks and verifies these numbers???
Yes people die that's shit, but hey could we please have the numbers for every war, for every influenza pandemic and for every one dying of hunger EVERYDAY?
24K people die EVERY DAY of hunger (UN numbers). 1K die cause of Corona. I believe we would also be scared, but does that justify undermining all our freedoms, freedom of press, freedom of speech, freedom of movement, open discussion, fact revision, etc. etc? We never did that, people still died, since when do we care?
Just stay thoughtful and switch on your highest senses... STAY WOKE and QUESTION. Do your own research outside of your comfortable model of explanation.
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Fear mongering. 70K dead in 3 months ok.
But what is the age mean of those people???
What were their health states BEFORE contacting Covid-19???
Did they die directly from Covid-19 or did they die from their other sicknesses and were simply Covid-19 positive???
Who actually checks and verifies these numbers???
Yes people die that's shit, but hey could we please have the numbers for every war, for every influenza pandemic and for every one dying of hunger EVERYDAY?
24K people die EVERY DAY of hunger (UN numbers). 1K die cause of Corona. I believe we would also be scared, but does that justify undermining all our freedoms, freedom of press, freedom of speech, freedom of movement, open discussion, fact revision, etc. etc? We never did that, people still died, since when do we care?
Just stay thoughtful and switch on your highest senses... STAY WOKE and QUESTION. Do your own research outside of your comfortable model of explanation.
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Fear mongering. 70K dead in 3 months ok.
But what is the age mean of those people???
What were their health states BEFORE contacting Covid-19???
Did they die directly from Covid-19 or did they die from their other sicknesses and were simply Covid-19 positive???
Who actually checks and verifies these numbers???
Yes people die that's shit, but hey could we please have the numbers for every war, for every influenza pandemic and for every one dying of hunger EVERYDAY?
24K people die EVERY DAY of hunger (UN numbers). 1K die cause of Corona. I believe we would also be scared, but does that justify undermining all our freedoms, freedom of press, freedom of speech, freedom of movement, open discussion, fact revision, etc. etc? We never did that, people still died, since when do we care?
Just stay thoughtful and switch on your highest senses... STAY WOKE and QUESTION. Do your own research outside of your comfortable model of explanation.
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You look at what these doctors and scientists say, and only apply things that you want to think about. The funny part is the things you think/speak about are the tiny slivers of what could be said, and they are opposite of most of the rest of it.
all them 12 doctors have flaws i skipped most o them because they so flawed it went beyond beleif. so i then just picked one to prove a point.. but here goes.. just for u Dr 1: '1m infections=30 deaths a day for 100days... =3k deaths' well actual numbers just for US are now ~1m tested positive.. and 50k deaths.. thats ~17x higher im guessing this doctor thinks he has a IQ of 10.. oops in his maths he means 170 Dr2: jsut makes a financial rant.. no medical or numbers. just points fingers that scientists want to be famous and rich by making speaches and getting seen in media... oh a hypocrit Dr3: i already explained this one.. but he also just ranted about being afraid of the consequences of not letting people touch each other.. im thinking he has a fetish.. but the numbers. 1 case in 1000 and death 1 in 20k has already been explained. Dr4: he says about case fatality rate of people in full quarantine. so if no quarantine. like no isolation rules.. the numbers would be far more dangerous. thus quarantine works to delay the spread he also notes that he thinks its the flu.. however if it was just the flu and the progress of the symptomology was just like the flu.. then doctors would not be having a problem with it... but they are.. so its not the flu Dr5: '40-50 deaths' during a march 22 interview.. as someone else said.. that guy just dont know his numbers Dr6: contradicts Dr3's numbers.. by saying 1 in 1000 infected people die.. not 1 in 20,000.. yet still presumes that its normal (facepalm) rants about how closing schools because it prevents the kids qickly getting it... no sh*t. and thats the very reason to actually implement the 'stay home' policy. hospitals just dont have the capacity to deal the numbers Dr7: worries about how the end of the lockdown should be implements but says it should happen BEFORE a vaccine is made.. that sounds more like they are an antivaxxer not a doctor Dr8: talks about how germany are getting it with mainly old guys yet stats show: 29 children under the age of 14..... 891 aged groups 15 to 59... 142 aged 60+ also testing was done based on people going into hospital with symptoms related to know covid symptoms and thus tested to be sure... it was not just some random test of dragging people off the street, Dr9: says only 4000 deaths as of march 9th.. (facepalm) hes french which has a total pop of 65m.. and says its normal that over 2.6m die a year just from normal respiratory issues.. he is mixing up international numbers vs local numbers to confuse things heck france only has 730k births a year.. so he suggesting the population is decreasing by 1.5m a year just from 'regular respiratory death.. no one left in 40 years if we folow his numbers.. right,,, .. or he just doesnt know his numbers Dr10: just rants about the social life effects.. no medical stat or numbers. Dr11: just ranting about the business/work impact.. no medical stats or numbers dr12: just ranting about the isolation impact on work social life.. no medical stats or numbers ........ summary. non of these "doctors" ever mentioned r0 or showed any compassion or thoughts of those needing hospital care/funeral homes. .. i dont think any of them spent a day in an ICU ward in the last 3 months |
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Our concern is Del's Highwire talk on CV, at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCnpPjUvdLM. Go to the website for the links and other clarification.
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Fear mongering. 70K dead in 3 months ok.
The number today doesn't matter alone, you have to look at how fast it's spreading to figure out how much damage it could ultimately do. 55k dead in 2 weeks. We went from 3k to 70k in the past month. That's almost 24x. If it keeps going at that rate it will be 1.6 million on May 5 and 38 million by June 5, and that's just at the peak. After it peaks, it will drop much more slowly than it went up. |
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"We want to say to these companies that you don't know when or how we'll strike. We want to eliminate predictability."
It's Time To Track The FDA's Death TollThe FDA continued forcing the nation's most innovative firms to submit to its command-and-control approach notwithstanding the pandemic.
South Korean is in a far better situation dealing with coronavirus, because its government did not preemptively cripple private testing.
One of the clearest lessons from the current pandemic is that nothing has changed at one of the nation's most powerful regulatory agencies. The FDA is repeating the same mistakes and showing the same arrogance that I chronicled decades ago in articles for the Wall Street Journal, the American Spectator, and other publications.
Dr. David Kessler, who became FDA commissioner in 1990, quickly sought to intimidate the companies that his agency regulates. A laudatory Washington Post article concluded, "What he cannot accomplish with ordinary regulation, Kessler hopes to accomplish with fear."
Kenneth Feather of the FDA's drug advertising surveillance branch boasted:
"We want to say to these companies that you don't know when or how we'll strike. We want to eliminate predictability."
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"We want to say to these companies that you don't know when or how we'll strike. We want to eliminate predictability."
It's Time To Track The FDA's Death TollThe FDA continued forcing the nation's most innovative firms to submit to its command-and-control approach notwithstanding the pandemic.
South Korean is in a far better situation dealing with coronavirus, because its government did not preemptively cripple private testing.
One of the clearest lessons from the current pandemic is that nothing has changed at one of the nation's most powerful regulatory agencies. The FDA is repeating the same mistakes and showing the same arrogance that I chronicled decades ago in articles for the Wall Street Journal, the American Spectator, and other publications.
Dr. David Kessler, who became FDA commissioner in 1990, quickly sought to intimidate the companies that his agency regulates. A laudatory Washington Post article concluded, "What he cannot accomplish with ordinary regulation, Kessler hopes to accomplish with fear."
Kenneth Feather of the FDA's drug advertising surveillance branch boasted:
"We want to say to these companies that you don't know when or how we'll strike. We want to eliminate predictability." That blog makes it seem like Kessler was still running the FDA till the second to last sentence (I doubt most ZH regulars ever make it that far): "The FDA’s current commissioner, Stephen Hahn, conceded last week: “There are always opportunities to learn from situations like this one.” In reality, Kessler was replaced almost 25 years ago and there have been 11 different FDA commissioners since then. Just more zerohedge clickbait. |
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"We want to say to these companies that you don't know when or how we'll strike. We want to eliminate predictability."
It's Time To Track The FDA's Death TollThe FDA continued forcing the nation's most innovative firms to submit to its command-and-control approach notwithstanding the pandemic.
South Korean is in a far better situation dealing with coronavirus, because its government did not preemptively cripple private testing.
One of the clearest lessons from the current pandemic is that nothing has changed at one of the nation's most powerful regulatory agencies. The FDA is repeating the same mistakes and showing the same arrogance that I chronicled decades ago in articles for the Wall Street Journal, the American Spectator, and other publications.
Dr. David Kessler, who became FDA commissioner in 1990, quickly sought to intimidate the companies that his agency regulates. A laudatory Washington Post article concluded, "What he cannot accomplish with ordinary regulation, Kessler hopes to accomplish with fear."
Kenneth Feather of the FDA's drug advertising surveillance branch boasted:
"We want to say to these companies that you don't know when or how we'll strike. We want to eliminate predictability." That blog makes it seem like Kessler was still running the FDA till the second to last sentence (I doubt most ZH regulars ever make it that far): "The FDA’s current commissioner, Stephen Hahn, conceded last week: “There are always opportunities to learn from situations like this one.” In reality, Kessler was replaced almost 25 years ago and there have been 11 different FDA commissioners since then. Just more zerohedge clickbait. So, show us that procedures have changed. |
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