Coronavirus Outbreak

[BADecker]

One of the many 'oddities' about what they are calling now covid-19 is that people don't seem to get immune from it and can get 'it' again.

no

corona is a category of viruses
corona has been around since before the 1960's and has mutated many times
things like SARS and MERS are the main notable ones but corona happens every year and people can get it each time

covid-19 is not a virus, it's a disease that is caused by the corona virus that was first discovered in late 2019.

Once your immune systems fight off a virus, you should be immune to that specific strain.

Are you saying that Covid-19 is some kind of complex poison?... one produced by the Coronavirus? Is it a poison that is complex enough that the body doesn't know how to expel it as it does many other poisons, yet a poison that works slowly enough in most people that it doesn't cause immediate death, and one that many people overcome by their bodies finally expelling it?

If this is the case, sewage plant workers are in grave danger (no pun intended).

[franky1]

covid-19 is not a virus, it's a disease that is caused by the corona virus that was first discovered in late 2019.

Once your immune systems fight off a virus, you should be immune to that specific strain.

ok now you just lost the plot.. time for you to take a day or two to have a nice relaxing cup of coffee, take a bit of a chillout time and then actually do some research..

co-vid19 is a virus which has a particular symptom list
yes a health disorder with a particular symptom list is formally called a disease

but calling it a disease does not make it no longer a virus
again
a disease is a change to a persons health with a particular list of symptoms
the word disease itself does not describe the cause. or the effect. its just a term that covers anything that harms a persons health
including a virus
this particular virus has a known main severe symptom of pneumonia.
it is a virus with a known symptom
thus the current 'disease' is a virus with a symptom of causing pneumonia

by saying its a disease does not illiminate the virus part or change the symptom part
the word disease yet again because ithink it needs rattling into your mind is simple
its a word for ANY change of a persons health that has a certain symptom which can be fatal

again to repeat incase you didnt get it
by calling it a disease does not make it not  virus thing. its still a virus thing
now go take a break and do some research
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as for the whole 'people can get it again'
next year people will get corona.
people have been getting corona every year for decades

people next year will get a different strain
just like people got the sars corona then years later got the mers corona
both are categorised as respiratory diseses
and yes those that got sars and mers and others over the years can get co-vid19

what you really need to be aware of is that it is not like chicken pox. where by if you had it as a kid you cant get it
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the reason i say this is because there is a myth playing around that some are spreading the misinfomation that if they had the flu once in their life they will never get the flu again.
incorrect
they will get the flu. thats life. get used to it
you will get the flu over and over again.

[tvbcof]

One of the many 'oddities' about what they are calling now covid-19 is that people don't seem to get immune from it and can get 'it' again.

no

corona is a category of viruses
corona has been around since before the 1960's and has mutated many times
things like SARS and MERS are the main notable ones but corona happens every year and people can get it each time

covid-19 is not a virus, it's a disease that is caused by the corona virus that was first discovered in late 2019.

Once your immune systems fight off a virus, you should be immune to that specific strain.

Fair enough on the label.  That is true and my mistake.  It always struck me as funny that they came up with one label for a 'disease' that could be caused by any number of viral pathogens.  Almost like a deliberate obfuscation technique to confuse people.

You are correct that the body 'should' be able to fight off a coronavirus infection and be good to go for a year until a sufficiently mutated one comes around the next year.  That's the way it generally worked...until now.  There are multiple reports of this NOT being the case with so-called 'covid-19'.  Often with some musing about different testing methods and the like.  As I say, the phenomenon is consistent with multiple lab-made variants being deployed in all the confusion.

[TwitchySeal]

co-vid19 is a virus which has a particular symptom list

No, it's a disease caused by a Virus.  
The official name of the virus is 'SARS-CoV-2'.  The official name of the disease is 'coronavirus disease 2019', co-vid19 for short.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/summary.html

[franky1]

the word disease is meaningless
EVERYTHING that has a negative health can be described as a disease

its a buzzword that applies to any health issues
they even put alcoholism as a disease
addiction as a disease
heck even gluttany (greed of food) as a disease

thus its a meaningless buzzword


saying the word disease alone is meaningless and explains nothing
all it does is say 'something that has negative health issues'
thats it.
it does not explain cause or effect.

its like saying 'object'
it doesnt describe what it looks like how i was made or what it can do

your literally trying to make a debate by saying a car is not a car because its an object

sorry a car is still a car and by knowing the object is a car you then know what to expect it to look like, have an idea of how it was made and have an idea of what it can do.

by just saying 'no its just an object' you are making yourself into a fool by trying to make it something its not by hiding what it is
a car is a car and covid19 is a virus..
yes a car is a object and covid is a disease
but by saying a car is a object and thus its not a car anymore
by saying a virus is a disease and thus is not a virus anymore

is a fools errand
whats next
your wife is an object so your no longer gonna see her as human?? (using your own logic)

SUMMARY:
"disease" is not some sub cateory of a certain list of things
its an umbrella term for anything that can cause negative health impact

[TwitchySeal]

the word disease is meaningless

CDC is responding to an outbreak of respiratory disease caused by a novel (new) coronavirus that was first detected in China and which has now been detected in almost 90 locations internationally, including in the United States. The virus has been named “SARS-CoV-2” and the disease it causes has been named “coronavirus disease 2019” (abbreviated “COVID-19”).

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/summary.html

[DireWolfM14]

co-vid19 is a virus which has a particular symptom list

No, it's a disease caused by a Virus.  
The official name of the virus is 'SARS-CoV-2'.  The official name of the disease is 'coronavirus disease 2019', co-vid19 for short.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/summary.html

Is it a disease, illness, sickness, indisposition, condition, disorder, or merely a malady?

Dose it produce symptoms, distemper, aches, pains, or only misery?

Is it infectious, contagious, transmittable, or is it merely communicable?

Do semantics make it any more or less of a threat?

[TwitchySeal]

Do semantics make it any more or less of a threat?

Nope

[Tash]

Shanghai Government Officially Recommends Vitamin C for COVID-19
https://humansarefree.com/2020/03/shanghai-government-officially-recommends-vitamin-c-for-covid-19.html

The government of Shanghai, China has announced its official recommendation that COVID-19 should be treated with high amounts of intravenous vitamin C.
Dosage recommendations vary with severity of illness, from 50 to 200 milligrams per kilogram body weight per day to as much as 200 mg/kg/day.
These dosages are approximately 4,000 to 16,000 mg for an adult,

Orange with about 3 inch diameter is ~ 100 milligrams
Strawberries, one serving (147 grams) has 86.5 milligrams of vitamin C, and slows cognitive degeneration.
One small head of cauliflower (with a four-inch diameter) has 127.7 milligrams of vitamin C
One serving (148 grams) of chopped broccoli adds up to 132 milligrams of vitamin C.
One serving of kiwi offers 137.2 milligrams of vitamin C.
A cup of mashed papaya has a whopping 140 milligrams.
Kale, two cups of this veggie, chopped, offers 160.8 milligrams of vitamin C.
Red Bell Peppers, one cup of raw, chopped red bell pepper packs an impressive 190.3 milligrams of vitamin C. Green pepper has 119.8 milligrams.

[franky1]

vitamin C does not cure or prevent corona

the point of vitamin C is that for people with weak immune systems and bad health due to vitamin deficiency, they will feel more negative effects compared to someone who is completely healthy and vitamin efficient

its like saying to help with a runny nose. use tissues so that you dont suffer from snot face
this does not mean that tissue prevent a runny nose nor prevent getting the flu. it just helps alleviate some of the negative symptoms.

another tip for corona is to stay hydrated. this does not mean water cures or prevents corona. but will alleviate symptoms

another tip for corona is to stay warm. not because heat cures or prevents corona. but can alleviate the chills people get when they get the flu

[BADecker]

vitamin C does not cure or prevent corona

the point of vitamin C is that for people with weak immune systems and bad health due to vitamin deficiency, they will feel more negative effects compared to someone who is completely healthy and vitamin efficient

its like saying to help with a runny nose. use tissues so that you dont suffer from snot face
this does not mean that tissue prevent a runny nose nor prevent getting the flu. it just helps alleviate some of the negative symptoms.

another tip for corona is to stay hydrated. this does not mean water cures or prevents corona. but will alleviate symptoms

another tip for corona is to stay warm. not because heat cures or prevents corona. but can alleviate the chills people get when they get the flu

All you are saying is something that is true for almost any disease. Almost all medicine, and all vaccines, don't cure anything. All they do is give the body/immune-system some of the tools necessary to fight the malady.

Staying healthy doesn't mean that one looks healthy. Staying healthy is maintaining an immune system that can fight of any disease, and maybe any poison from snake or insect bite.

The way to stay healthy like this is to eat a variety of plants, and some meats. The variety of plants include the juices from green leafy plants, and the peels of many kinds of berries and grapes. Plus, the proteins from legumes/beans should be included along with the proteins from meats.

Often the way to get sufficient amounts of the right nutrients from plants, is to juice the plants, drink the juice, and eat small amounts of the whole plant. If we all consumed small amounts of loads of varieties of plants from around the world - especially the tropics - in the above, juicing way, we would probably become so healthy that maladies we don't even recognize in ourselves, would show themselves by disappearing.

Supplementation with vitamins and other nutrients might even impact us negatively if we did the above. As an added benefit, we just might be able to throw away Viagra while having more fun.

[franky1]

no badecker

no matter what you eat or drink or juice wont make all illnesses unrecognisable(symptomless)
people will still get them. they can help reduce the severity of it and the length of time suffering from it. but again it aint no cure

take hangovers.
theres a thing called a 'bananabag' which is a solution containing all the rehydration fluids and vitamins and stuff that can be intraveneously injected straight into the blood stream for fast matabolisation.. yet people will still feels symptoms of the hangover. yes for a shorter period. but even with al the correct fluids pumped directly into the bloodstream its not a instant cure 2 minutes later.

same goes for things like eating berries and fruits.. your body does not store vitamins for a rainy day. so when your sick. you will become deficient of hydration and vitamins so its then that you will need to replenish them. and its then that your body has to go through the time consuming process of digesting such, let it get into the blood stream and go to the cells where needed and then the cells do what they are needed to do.. again it takes time. thus your going to not be preventing nor curing instantly.

its just to lessen the effects.
put it this way. if you drink 6litres of water 3 days before going into a desert. does not prevent you from getting dehydrated once in the desert.
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like wise having no water in the desert will certainly make you super dehydrated when in the desert.
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but if you stay hydrated by having water with you in the desert. you may just be ok and not feel as dehydrated as you would in previous cases.

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same goes for the 'banana bag' thing with alcohol. having a banana bag injected into you before going to a bar wont make you not have a hang over the next morning

[TECSHARE]

vitamin C does not cure or prevent corona

the point of vitamin C is that for people with weak immune systems and bad health due to vitamin deficiency, they will feel more negative effects compared to someone who is completely healthy and vitamin efficient

its like saying to help with a runny nose. use tissues so that you dont suffer from snot face
this does not mean that tissue prevent a runny nose nor prevent getting the flu. it just helps alleviate some of the negative symptoms.

another tip for corona is to stay hydrated. this does not mean water cures or prevents corona. but will alleviate symptoms

another tip for corona is to stay warm. not because heat cures or prevents corona. but can alleviate the chills people get when they get the flu

As usual, you should talk less, and read more.

"The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10543583

[coinlocket$]

Entire Italy will "be locked" in a few hours.
Movements allowed only for work (cause is ok if you can die for work you know) and for food/medicines.

The isolation is the only way until a vaccine will pop out to fight the virus.

[IlVeroNico]

Entire Italy will "be locked" in a few hours.
Movements allowed only for work (cause is ok if you can die for work you know) and for food/medicines.

The isolation is the only way until a vaccine will pop out to fight the virus.

If you want to move outside of your municipality you'll need an auto-certification that you are doing so for the reasons coinlocket stated, so it's not an extremely enforced lockdown but it's still something...
Let's hope it helps!

[franky1]

As usual, you should talk less, and read more.
"The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10543583

as usual you should read more and gloss over less
relieving symptoms. does not = preventing getting the flu itself
have a nice day though

its like saying
if you got the sniffles where your endlessly sniffing and annoying people around you with that sniff sound due to a runny nose for 2 weeks.
actually blowing your nose or if you have a mucussy throat. spitting it out instead of just coughing/swallowing will make the sniffs less apparent and the coughs less apparent and you will probably get over it in less than 2 weeks.
this does not mean blowing your nose and spitting will prevent you ever getting the flu. just reduce and alleviate the severity and length of the suffering of the symptoms.

[TwitchySeal]

Shanghai Government Officially Recommends Vitamin C for COVID-19
https://humansarefree.com/2020/03/shanghai-government-officially-recommends-vitamin-c-for-covid-19.html

The government of Shanghai, China has announced its official recommendation that COVID-19 should be treated with high amounts of intravenous vitamin C.
Dosage recommendations vary with severity of illness, from 50 to 200 milligrams per kilogram body weight per day to as much as 200 mg/kg/day.
These dosages are approximately 4,000 to 16,000 mg for an adult,

You've been duped again BADecker.

The guy who wrote that article is the same one who started the whole thing, not the 'Shanghai Government'.  He's in the business of selling books and videos about herbal supplements to people who visit fake news websites.
The article is just an ad for his own websites and content.

https://andrewsaul.com/
http://orthomolecular.org/
http://www.doctoryourself.com/

https://www.health.harvard.edu/cold-and-flu/can-vitamin-c-prevent-a-cold
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/29/facebook-posts/no-vitamin-c-cannot-slow-or-stop-spread-coronaviru/
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/fake-coronavirus-cures-part-3-vitamin-c-isnt-a-shield/

[TECSHARE]

As usual, you should talk less, and read more.
"The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10543583

as usual you should read more and gloss over less
relieving symptoms. does not = preventing getting the flu itself
have a nice day though

its like saying
if you got the sniffles where your endlessly sniffing and annoying people around you with that sniff sound due to a runny nose for 2 weeks.
actually blowing your nose or if you have a mucussy throat. spitting it out instead of just coughing/swallowing will make the sniffs less apparent and the coughs less apparent and you will probably get over it in less than 2 weeks.
this does not mean blowing your nose and spitting will prevent you ever getting the flu. just reduce and alleviate the severity and length of the suffering of the symptoms.

"RESULTS:

Overall, reported flu and cold symptoms in the test group decreased 85% compared with the control group after the administration of megadose Vitamin C.

CONCLUSION:

Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group."

Just stop talking. Please.

[TwitchySeal]

As usual, you should talk less, and read more.
"The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10543583

as usual you should read more and gloss over less
relieving symptoms. does not = preventing getting the flu itself
have a nice day though

its like saying
if you got the sniffles where your endlessly sniffing and annoying people around you with that sniff sound due to a runny nose for 2 weeks.
actually blowing your nose or if you have a mucussy throat. spitting it out instead of just coughing/swallowing will make the sniffs less apparent and the coughs less apparent and you will probably get over it in less than 2 weeks.
this does not mean blowing your nose and spitting will prevent you ever getting the flu. just reduce and alleviate the severity and length of the suffering of the symptoms.

"RESULTS:

Overall, reported flu and cold symptoms in the test group decreased 85% compared with the control group after the administration of megadose Vitamin C.

CONCLUSION:

Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group."

Just stop talking. Please.

The 'megadose' in that study is 1,000 mg hourly for the first 6 hours, of the first day, and then 3 1,000 mg doses every day after.  All taken orally.

The fake news article is recommending a dosage of 4.000 mg - 16,000 mg, taken by IV.(for people with the virus)

[TECSHARE]

The 'megadose' in that study is 1,000 mg hourly for the first 6 hours, of the first day, and then 3 1,000 mg doses every day after.  All taken orally.

The fake news article is recommending a dosage of 4.000 mg - 16,000 mg, taken by IV.(for people with the virus)

Hey look who it is, Captain Semantics here to distract from the point in order to backpedal to feel the most right about the worlds wrongs. Please quote in the abstract where it says "orally". Vitamin C is an effective treatment and prevention for viral infections. The end.