Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[harizen]

Maybe the fact that Bivol defeated a superstar in Canelo made him increase his points.

Not just that, Bivol just turned Canelo into a punching bag that no one might expect knowing Canelo is at the peak of his career during that time.

According to some stats, 97% of bets on that match are all in favor of Canelo.

Just imagine how underdog Bivol is prior to that fight. -440 was given to him which is equivalent to 18% winning the fight.

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[inthelongrun]

Maybe the fact that Bivol defeated a superstar in Canelo made him increase his points.

Not just that, Bivol just turned Canelo into a punching bag that no one might expect knowing Canelo is at the peak of his career during that time.

According to some stats, 97% of bets on that match are all in favor of Canelo.

Just imagine how underdog Bivol is prior to that fight. -440 was given to him which is equivalent to 18% winning the fight.

The odds were really weird to me during that time. I only noticed weird odds in boxing every once in a while. Maybe because Canelo is the biggest name in boxing and he just became the undisputed champion at 168 prior to that. The money that flocked into Canelo made the odds even worse and is becoming too high for the caliber of Bivol.  But considering his size and skills compared to Canelo, I had no doubt that he can win. I had like a free bet and I was contented with Bivol. The only thing that stopped me from betting more is that I knew the judges will steal as many rounds as possible in favor of the biggest superstar in the sport. Bivol stopped scoring KOs since he became the real WBA champion and even during an interview at his training camp, he said that he honestly prefers to box and fight smart. And considering how tough the chin of Canelo is, it is hard to bet on Bivol to win a KO too.

In the actual fight, Bivol took Canelo to school. I cannot even remember if Canelo won 2 to 3 rounds on my card. But the 3 corrupt judges have it 7 to 5. Each of the judges probably thought to let the other 2 do the tricks for Canelo but they all ended up thinking the same. 1 more round to steal and the fight would've been a draw just like what happened when GGG was clearly robbed of a victory against Canelo. Even Mayweather who clearly outscored the young Canelo at that time only managed to settle a majority decision which shocked a lot of hardcore fans.

[danherbias07]

Good news for fans of "No Mercy" Gesta, he won against Jojo Diaz, judges score the fight in his favor, Alejandro Rochin (99-91) and Pat Russell (98-92), while the other judges, hehehe, maybe he is watching other fight because the score is somewhat questionable, Judge Pam Hayashida (97-93).

I just wonder though if Ryan Garcia fought Gesta, maybe there could be upsets as well, hehehe.

In any case, good for Gesta, his career can move on and most likely fight for another day. While for Diaz, no longer the hype on his name, probably this weight for his is too much, maybe it's better to go down to 130 lbs.

I watched the highlight of the fight, and it seems Gesta is a bit tired on the 4th round, aside from that, I felt that Gesta movement is a bit stiff even though he is moving from side to side pretty well.  The jobs helps Gesta in securing the fight, though it would be devastating for him if he was caught when he leans his head forward without any defense.  That should be one of the flaw Gesta need to fix on his next fight.  All in all, I think the fight is pretty close every round it is that Gesta jobs more than his opponent securing each round.

Yeah, it may have been the big finish of Gesta that improved his winning chance. The jabs did help to score more and the judges may have seen something that is worth giving him the victory. Diaz may have defended some of it well but the flurry of jabs does look like Gesta landed more than blocked or avoided.
As for Diaz's career, this should not be the end of it but he needs to clear his name first and fix those legal issues that were thrown at him.

I didn't know that card had so many issues that happened.
The main event was canceled due to Ramirez missing weight so Gesta versus Diaz was moved to the main event. Then, Diaz was also at 139 lbs. but thankfully it still happened.
Boxing and weighing.
I hope Ryan Garcia will make weight and then the other weigh in before the match starts that was written in their clause.

[Jating]

Good news for fans of "No Mercy" Gesta, he won against Jojo Diaz, judges score the fight in his favor, Alejandro Rochin (99-91) and Pat Russell (98-92), while the other judges, hehehe, maybe he is watching other fight because the score is somewhat questionable, Judge Pam Hayashida (97-93).

I just wonder though if Ryan Garcia fought Gesta, maybe there could be upsets as well, hehehe.

In any case, good for Gesta, his career can move on and most likely fight for another day. While for Diaz, no longer the hype on his name, probably this weight for his is too much, maybe it's better to go down to 130 lbs.

I watched the highlight of the fight, and it seems Gesta is a bit tired on the 4th round, aside from that, I felt that Gesta movement is a bit stiff even though he is moving from side to side pretty well.  The jobs helps Gesta in securing the fight, though it would be devastating for him if he was caught when he leans his head forward without any defense.  That should be one of the flaw Gesta need to fix on his next fight.  All in all, I think the fight is pretty close every round it is that Gesta jobs more than his opponent securing each round.

Yeah, it may have been the big finish of Gesta that improved his winning chance. The jabs did help to score more and the judges may have seen something that is worth giving him the victory. Diaz may have defended some of it well but the flurry of jabs does look like Gesta landed more than blocked or avoided.
As for Diaz's career, this should not be the end of it but he needs to clear his name first and fix those legal issues that were thrown at him.

I didn't know that card had so many issues that happened.
The main event was canceled due to Ramirez missing weight so Gesta versus Diaz was moved to the main event. Then, Diaz was also at 139 lbs. but thankfully it still happened.
Boxing and weighing.
I hope Ryan Garcia will make weight and then the other weigh in before the match starts that was written in their clause.

It's just the numbers though, Gesta is the more busier fighter in this fight, the volume could be enough for the judges to score the fight for him. Diaz might have the best punch, but it was Gesta's workrate that secure the victory for him.

I don't think though that Ryan will make the same mistake, his fight with Davis is high profile, so everything must be perfect for him.

Trainings and food intake and of course the pre and during the fight weigh-in.

[Kemarit]

Good news for fans of "No Mercy" Gesta, he won against Jojo Diaz, judges score the fight in his favor, Alejandro Rochin (99-91) and Pat Russell (98-92), while the other judges, hehehe, maybe he is watching other fight because the score is somewhat questionable, Judge Pam Hayashida (97-93).

I just wonder though if Ryan Garcia fought Gesta, maybe there could be upsets as well, hehehe.

In any case, good for Gesta, his career can move on and most likely fight for another day. While for Diaz, no longer the hype on his name, probably this weight for his is too much, maybe it's better to go down to 130 lbs.

I watched the highlight of the fight, and it seems Gesta is a bit tired on the 4th round, aside from that, I felt that Gesta movement is a bit stiff even though he is moving from side to side pretty well.  The jobs helps Gesta in securing the fight, though it would be devastating for him if he was caught when he leans his head forward without any defense.  That should be one of the flaw Gesta need to fix on his next fight.  All in all, I think the fight is pretty close every round it is that Gesta jobs more than his opponent securing each round.

He seems to be tired yeah, I do agree, there were times that I think Jojo Diaz could have scored a knock down but Gesta just stay upright. So I don't think that this version will give problems to Ryan Garcia though.

In any case, Ryan make the right decision to skip this tune up and go straight directly with Tank Davis.

He needs his best version against Tank and maybe he thinks that fighting Gesta will not add anything for him in the table.

[Botnake]

Maybe the fact that Bivol defeated a superstar in Canelo made him increase his points.

Not just that, Bivol just turned Canelo into a punching bag that no one might expect knowing Canelo is at the peak of his career during that time.

According to some stats, 97% of bets on that match are all in favor of Canelo.

Just imagine how underdog Bivol is prior to that fight. -440 was given to him which is equivalent to 18% winning the fight.

I cannot really blame them if they favored Canelo Alvarez that time and that includes me. I mean, why not? Canelo has surely proved numerous fights already that he can dominate his opponent even if that boxer is much more taller than him, he can always make a way considering how vast Canelo's IQ inside the ring and that's why people are betting on his side without a single doubt as that was his 2nd time fighting at 175. But unfortunately, the defending champion proved us all wrong and the he is not that kind of boxer who we should underestimate.

[LogitechMouse]

Maybe the fact that Bivol defeated a superstar in Canelo made him increase his points.

Not just that, Bivol just turned Canelo into a punching bag that no one might expect knowing Canelo is at the peak of his career during that time.

According to some stats, 97% of bets on that match are all in favor of Canelo.

Just imagine how underdog Bivol is prior to that fight. -440 was given to him which is equivalent to 18% winning the fight.

Well, nobody expected the outcome of that match. Like most of us, many are expecting Canelo to win on that match, but it seems like we underestimated Bivol so much... or we just overestimated Canelo even though he went up one division after unifying the middleweight division.

On that match, Bivol made Canelo like a punching bag indeed. He's very fast for Canelo, his reach are to long for him and he's a good counter puncher as well. I expect that match to be at least not a one-sided match, but... it is what it is. Those who risked, and put their bet on Bivol on that match are the ones who are the winners aside from the 2 boxers of course.

[Fredomago]

Maybe the fact that Bivol defeated a superstar in Canelo made him increase his points.

Not just that, Bivol just turned Canelo into a punching bag that no one might expect knowing Canelo is at the peak of his career during that time.

According to some stats, 97% of bets on that match are all in favor of Canelo.

Just imagine how underdog Bivol is prior to that fight. -440 was given to him which is equivalent to 18% winning the fight.

I cannot really blame them if they favored Canelo Alvarez that time and that includes me. I mean, why not? Canelo has surely proved numerous fights already that he can dominate his opponent even if that boxer is much more taller than him, he can always make a way considering how vast Canelo's IQ inside the ring and that's why people are betting on his side without a single doubt as that was his 2nd time fighting at 175. But unfortunately, the defending champion proved us all wrong and the he is not that kind of boxer who we should underestimate.

Yup! the anticipate outcome didn't happen as upset for most bettors during the fight between Bivol and Alvarez, I can include myself with those who support Canelo, as I base my decision with how Canelo fought and how he dominated his opponents, but in Bivol's time, the young champ made the right preparation with all those counters he change the tempo of the fight and bring everything on his favor.

He didn't give Canelo any opportunities to change the direction as he just continue what he knows is best to prevent Canelo to box him out and pull the KO solid combinations.

[Kasabus]

He didn't give Canelo any opportunities to change the direction as he just continue what he knows is best to prevent Canelo to box him out and pull the KO solid combinations.

And that's where Canelo's career became a huge embarrassment in-front of the Russian boxer, Dmitry Bivol. The latter showed us who truly owns the division and what he is made of, moreover, he pulled an upset while proving that the peoples favorite as well as the bookies favorite is not a basis that he is an easy boxer in-front of Canelo. What Bivol did is almost unbelievable as it's the first time that Canelo looked like a human punching bag without almost no choice aside from receiving all those punches that Bivol is giving.

[harizen]

The only thing that stopped me from betting more is that I knew the judges will steal as many rounds as possible in favor of the biggest superstar in the sport.

Since most rounds are obviously won by Bivol, it would be hard for these judges to somehow intentionally manipulate the scorecards in favor of Canelo, if there's really an attempt to do it. There's even an analysis prior to that fight, that if Bivol wants to win, he should go with either Knockout or clearly win every round as there are saying that Bivol was not against Canelo but on everything.

On that match, Bivol made Canelo like a punching bag indeed. He's very fast for Canelo, his reach are to long for him and he's a good counter puncher as well. I expect that match to be at least not a one-sided match, but... it is what it is. Those who risked, and put their bet on Bivol on that match are the ones who are the winners aside from the 2 boxers of course.

Actually, Bivol is not that fast for Canelo. It's just that he's really good at finding an open spot to land a perfect blow. Aside from that, Bivol successfully made Canelo very disappointed and frustrated and that led Canelo not to be focused on the fight. Bivol destroyed his rhythm. If only Canelo stays his cool and calm state of mind, might be the close fight we expect the entire match.

Anyways, we might see a different Canelo now if ever a rematch with Bivol will happen. On the other hand, though, a different Bivol can be expected too.

Let's tune in first on their respective upcoming matches; Canelo vs. Ryder in May ; Bivol vs. ? in June.

[Baofeng]

Maybe the fact that Bivol defeated a superstar in Canelo made him increase his points.

Not just that, Bivol just turned Canelo into a punching bag that no one might expect knowing Canelo is at the peak of his career during that time.

According to some stats, 97% of bets on that match are all in favor of Canelo.

Just imagine how underdog Bivol is prior to that fight. -440 was given to him which is equivalent to 18% winning the fight.

Yeah, that time we never knew how that fight will turn out, but maybe majority never heard of Bivol, how good and fast he is as LHW and Canelo is really riding on a winning streak and everyone he faces at 168 lbs was destroyed by him. And everyone see him as invincible even if he is going up in weight. His camp are even talking of going as high as CW, and at LHW, he had won a belt already so we think that he will just steamroll the champion in Bivol. And another important thing is that he or someone in his camp may have the judges under their pocket, to just make sure that he is going to win. But they were all wrong and Bivol won although it's a bit controversy as I have said because the judges was trying to make the score closer or at least hoping to get a draw.

[Fredomago]

He didn't give Canelo any opportunities to change the direction as he just continue what he knows is best to prevent Canelo to box him out and pull the KO solid combinations.

And that's where Canelo's career became a huge embarrassment in-front of the Russian boxer, Dmitry Bivol. The latter showed us who truly owns the division and what he is made of, moreover, he pulled an upset while proving that the peoples favorite as well as the bookies favorite is not a basis that he is an easy boxer in-front of Canelo. What Bivol did is almost unbelievable as it's the first time that Canelo looked like a human punching bag without almost no choice aside from receiving all those punches that Bivol is giving.

Bivol breaks the heart of most gamblers  beating Canelo, who's very hype during that time and proving that he owns the territory and he's not willing to be stripped. That's something that added to his career. Now he's in the spotlight and he can choose money fight plus the title matchup.

Waiting if he will face again Canelo for a rematch or he will continue to chase more belts and challenge different champions both from his division or decide to jump up.

[goinmerry]

But they were all wrong and Bivol won although it's a bit controversy as I have said because the judges was trying to make the score closer or at least hoping to get a draw.

Judges will be on the hot seat if they will tried to manipulate the score closer when in fact that's not what it has seen during the fight. Canelo can't even throw a simple jab at Bivol and even if he is able to land one, too soft to even put Bivol in pain. The strategy of Bivol is really effective as not just he crashed Canelo's physical defense but also his mental state. Canelo is even shocked that why he's struggling against a non-popular boxer although a champion.

Maybe next year, if things go smoothly according to plan, Bivol might face Canelo in a rematch. But I want to see first Bivol in a unification match against Beterbiev, as it was also a fight that was anticipated for a long by most boxing fans, before doing a rematch with Canelo.

[freedomgo]

He didn't give Canelo any opportunities to change the direction as he just continue what he knows is best to prevent Canelo to box him out and pull the KO solid combinations.

And that's where Canelo's career became a huge embarrassment in-front of the Russian boxer, Dmitry Bivol. The latter showed us who truly owns the division and what he is made of, moreover, he pulled an upset while proving that the peoples favorite as well as the bookies favorite is not a basis that he is an easy boxer in-front of Canelo. What Bivol did is almost unbelievable as it's the first time that Canelo looked like a human punching bag without almost no choice aside from receiving all those punches that Bivol is giving.

Bivol breaks the heart of most gamblers  beating Canelo, who's very hype during that time and proving that he owns the territory and he's not willing to be stripped. That's something that added to his career. Now he's in the spotlight and he can choose money fight plus the title matchup.

Waiting if he will face again Canelo for a rematch or he will continue to chase more belts and challenge different champions both from his division or decide to jump up.

I'm just curious though, does that rematch clause still stands up until now? Most of the rematch clause got their own expiration date like 30 up to 100 days and that is why it's very crucial that the losing side will decide whether they will do it or not as this clause will not stand out forever. But since there's nothing like that in the headlines, maybe they didn't set up an expiration because the sports news as well are waiting about it. I'm already interested if it will be contested at 175 or 168 where Canelo is dominating but the risks are just too great, IMO.

[cabron]

He didn't give Canelo any opportunities to change the direction as he just continue what he knows is best to prevent Canelo to box him out and pull the KO solid combinations.

And that's where Canelo's career became a huge embarrassment in-front of the Russian boxer, Dmitry Bivol. The latter showed us who truly owns the division and what he is made of, moreover, he pulled an upset while proving that the peoples favorite as well as the bookies favorite is not a basis that he is an easy boxer in-front of Canelo. What Bivol did is almost unbelievable as it's the first time that Canelo looked like a human punching bag without almost no choice aside from receiving all those punches that Bivol is giving.

Bivol breaks the heart of most gamblers  beating Canelo, who's very hype during that time and proving that he owns the territory and he's not willing to be stripped. That's something that added to his career. Now he's in the spotlight and he can choose money fight plus the title matchup.

Waiting if he will face again Canelo for a rematch or he will continue to chase more belts and challenge different champions both from his division or decide to jump up.

I'm just curious though, does that rematch clause still stands up until now? Most of the rematch clause got their own expiration date like 30 up to 100 days and that is why it's very crucial that the losing side will decide whether they will do it or not as this clause will not stand out forever. But since there's nothing like that in the headlines, maybe they didn't set up an expiration because the sports news as well are waiting about it. I'm already interested if it will be contested at 175 or 168 where Canelo is dominating but the risks are just too great, IMO.

They will approve it when they see Bivol's skills decline a bit. If for one time he wins by an SD, that might give that rematch another chance since Canelo still is a money maker in sport.

With John Ryder, it will give Canelo a boost of confidence after it. This fight is not even hyped or probably because they don't want to ruin Tank Davis's moment.

[Japinat]

But they were all wrong and Bivol won although it's a bit controversy as I have said because the judges was trying to make the score closer or at least hoping to get a draw.

Judges will be on the hot seat if they will tried to manipulate the score closer when in fact that's not what it has seen during the fight. Canelo can't even throw a simple jab at Bivol and even if he is able to land one, too soft to even put Bivol in pain. The strategy of Bivol is really effective as not just he crashed Canelo's physical defense but also his mental state. Canelo is even shocked that why he's struggling against a non-popular boxer although a champion.

Maybe next year, if things go smoothly according to plan, Bivol might face Canelo in a rematch. But I want to see first Bivol in a unification match against Beterbiev, as it was also a fight that was anticipated for a long by most boxing fans, before doing a rematch with Canelo.

And the two judges of that particular fight indeed scored much closer than what is expected, hence why the fight has been controversial even if Bivol won via unanimous decision because it is somehow clear that they are trying to help Canelo all those rounds where he cannot really keep up with Bivol's maneuvers. I guess we shouldn't get shocked about these things anymore as the boxers these days are already paying the governing bodies to approve a fight, what more if it's about the scores.

Maybe next year, if things go smoothly according to plan, Bivol might face Canelo in a rematch.

Well, that rematch might happen this year. Next year is quite long enough to wait as we're still approaching the mid of 2023.

[bbc.reporter]

With John Ryder, it will give Canelo a boost of confidence after it. This fight is not even hyped or probably because they don't want to ruin Tank Davis's moment.

It would be very head scratching to speculate that Canelo vs. Ryder fight can ruin Tank vs. King Ry's main event. No one wants to pay to see Canelo fight Ryder. There is no hype behind this and who is this John Ryder?

I reckon what the fans would like to see for Canelo is fight Benavidez! However, it appears Canelo is avoiding him hehehe. Canelo wants a rematch vs. Bivol but Bivol is avoiding Canelo because he wants a unification in light heavyweight.

[Baofeng]

With John Ryder, it will give Canelo a boost of confidence after it. This fight is not even hyped or probably because they don't want to ruin Tank Davis's moment.

It would be very head scratching to speculate that Canelo vs. Ryder fight can ruin Tank vs. King Ry's main event. No one wants to pay to see Canelo fight Ryder. There is no hype behind this and who is this John Ryder?

Yes, Canelo is guaranteed another 8 figures here, so he doesn't care perhaps, hehehe. And most likely his target will be the Mexicans obviously in his native country. Probably in the US too, but for fans, Tank vs Ryan Garcia is an easy choice if I were to buy PPV between this two fights.

I reckon what the fans would like to see for Canelo is fight Benavidez! However, it appears Canelo is avoiding him hehehe. Canelo wants a rematch vs. Bivol but Bivol is avoiding Canelo because he wants a unification in light heavyweight.

Maybe if David can win against Plant this weekend, his name will pop up. But definitely Canelo is looking for Bivol next after this, whether 175 or even 168 lbs as Canelo is willing to put his belt on the line. So lot's of fight in the calendar that can affect Canelo after he win against John Ryder.

[harizen]

No one wants to pay to see Canelo fight Ryder. There is no hype behind this and who is this John Ryder?

Yes, that was something unexpected as most boxing fans didn't anticipate that match.

In fairness though to John Ryder, although not that popular to others, he is eligible to fight Canelo being an interim champion. Moving forward, since the fight is now officially will push, critics just have to wait for the result.

I reckon what the fans would like to see for Canelo is fight Benavidez! However, it appears Canelo is avoiding him hehehe. Canelo wants a rematch vs. Bivol but Bivol is avoiding Canelo because he wants a unification in light heavyweight.

Better be safe coming back from the supposed wrist injury lol.

Others considered the fight as a tune-up match for Canelo before facing a big deal. Possible for an upset win? That was tough as Ryder does not just have to win clearly in every round but the venue itself is the home crowd of Canelo so Ryder is against the crowd and even against the judges lol.

[Kemarit]

With John Ryder, it will give Canelo a boost of confidence after it. This fight is not even hyped or probably because they don't want to ruin Tank Davis's moment.

It would be very head scratching to speculate that Canelo vs. Ryder fight can ruin Tank vs. King Ry's main event. No one wants to pay to see Canelo fight Ryder. There is no hype behind this and who is this John Ryder?

I reckon what the fans would like to see for Canelo is fight Benavidez! However, it appears Canelo is avoiding him hehehe. Canelo wants a rematch vs. Bivol but Bivol is avoiding Canelo because he wants a unification in light heavyweight.

In all fairness to Ryder as per record he is the interim champ, so yeah, he deserves this fight although majority of us haven't heard his name before.

Ryder though is aware of that and even knows that he is just a test for Canelo coming back from any injuries.

That's what we wanted, Mexican vs Mexican, LOL, I don't know why Canelo doesn't want to give the Benavidez their chance to have this kind of fight. But Senior still goes to the media and says that Canelo doesn't want anything with his son that's why he is avoiding him right now. David though is up coming and maybe his time with Canelo will come.