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August 06, 2023, 12:21:22 PM
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It is obvious this fight is created to generate money for the boxer, and promoter,  and is not created for boxing development.  Though exhibition is a good thing once in a while but having too many in a short span of time makes me look at it as boring as hell.  Though I am thinking this exhibition fight is boring, I am looking forward to see the development of Shields vs Thurman mix gender boxing fight.  I wanted to see if these thing is a scripted one (someone is pulling a string behind the scene creating a fixed results that can boost one's popularity for future marketing exploits)

They find that these kinds of boxings are more way profitable than most of the UFC fights so they put some considerations to accept is despite the fact that some of their conditions are obviously known like the knockdown earlier and other dramas inside the ring. But who cares for that when you making good decent amount of money while doing it and even more high than real fights in the UFC.

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August 06, 2023, 04:33:35 PM
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Undefeated against MMA fighters. That's the rank of Jake Paul now. But not against true boxers.  Cheesy
Nate Diaz only showed his tough chin but that's it. First round he was knocked down but as an MMA fan and a Diaz fan too, I know that will only boost the morale of Nate and not the other way around.
He loves the challenge and when he is hurt, that's when he keeps on going. That is why the fight ended in a unanimous decision instead and not a KO or TKO. I am also glad that the referee knew Nate and he won't just stop the fight even if he is badly hurt.
Nate showed how strong his cardio is even against a tough opponent, it ended as a good brawl which I thought will end quickly because Nate is old. He never fails to amaze me even in the boxing ring. That might not be his best when it comes to offense but damn, having that cardio and toughness at his age must feel pretty good for him.

I will admit that it was true boxing event atmosphere, lots of fans in the arena watching the fight live. And Nate find a way to survived the first round and I'm glad that the referee didn't stop it early as it will be a big disappointment for their fans.

But what can we say, Nate endurance is different, he is very durable. I didn't bet as well in this fight because it's hard to predict this kind of exhibitions. But it seems the Jake is really serious and tries to score a knockdown or a knockout win.

The longer i see Jake Paul fight, the more I start to believe that he is actually trying to become a genuine fighter. I heard that he is doing hard work, and i also heard that he is definitely trying to be a great boxer. The reason why i did not respect him was because he was fighting retired guys.  But this was a good fight, i was a little surprised to see the fight, go like this to be honest, but it is what it is.

I think to get the respect of people, Jake Paul needs to do more. He’s not going to get peoples respect if he just fights against old guys.

I think someone asked Andrew Tate about fighting Mike Tyson. He said it perfectly. Basically he said that Mike Tyson is old right now.  And it is not going to be morally right for a 36-year-old Andrew Tate, who was a four times kickboxing champion by the way, fight against old Mike Tyson.

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August 06, 2023, 05:45:49 PM
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Undefeated against MMA fighters. That's the rank of Jake Paul now. But not against true boxers.  Cheesy
Nate Diaz only showed his tough chin but that's it. First round he was knocked down but as an MMA fan and a Diaz fan too, I know that will only boost the morale of Nate and not the other way around.
He loves the challenge and when he is hurt, that's when he keeps on going. That is why the fight ended in a unanimous decision instead and not a KO or TKO. I am also glad that the referee knew Nate and he won't just stop the fight even if he is badly hurt.
Nate showed how strong his cardio is even against a tough opponent, it ended as a good brawl which I thought will end quickly because Nate is old. He never fails to amaze me even in the boxing ring. That might not be his best when it comes to offense but damn, having that cardio and toughness at his age must feel pretty good for him.

I will admit that it was true boxing event atmosphere, lots of fans in the arena watching the fight live. And Nate find a way to survived the first round and I'm glad that the referee didn't stop it early as it will be a big disappointment for their fans.

But what can we say, Nate endurance is different, he is very durable. I didn't bet as well in this fight because it's hard to predict this kind of exhibitions. But it seems the Jake is really serious and tries to score a knockdown or a knockout win.

The longer i see Jake Paul fight, the more I start to believe that he is actually trying to become a genuine fighter. I heard that he is doing hard work, and i also heard that he is definitely trying to be a great boxer. The reason why i did not respect him was because he was fighting retired guys.  But this was a good fight, i was a little surprised to see the fight, go like this to be honest, but it is what it is.

I think to get the respect of people, Jake Paul needs to do more. He’s not going to get peoples respect if he just fights against old guys.

I think someone asked Andrew Tate about fighting Mike Tyson. He said it perfectly. Basically he said that Mike Tyson is old right now.  And it is not going to be morally right for a 36-year-old Andrew Tate, who was a four times kickboxing champion by the way, fight against old Mike Tyson.

Nate explains he hurt his shoulder which is the reason for his sloppy performance. I was expecting him to be knocked out after that 5th round fall but he is tough to have fought standing til the end. Just a poor performance off him after going up to 200lbs while he is more confident in 155 for his UFC career.

If he is what he was back in time when he fought Conor, it probably ends in the most humiliating defeat of Jake. Yup he is old and best to retire.


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August 06, 2023, 06:01:55 PM
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Also, the PPV numbers, could it generate more than the recent Spence vs Crawford fight?
No way mate! Let's bet. Cheesy Many casuals already understood that their idol Jake Paul is not that special after losing his first fight against a real boxer. Although they have no idea that Tommy Fury is not even a top 20, very raw and clumsy so some might believe Paul's statement that he improved and that he is a real prospect to become a world champion. So maybe this can reach 500k PPV buys.

The undercard is not that exciting either, it's a mismatch. Amanda Serrano clearly beat Heather Hardy years ago so at 41 she will lose worse than their first match. My PPV buys prediction in this event is 300k and I'm already generous with it as this could be much lower.

I would have to agree that this fight is not even getting close to the numbers that Spence and Crawford did. It is the second biggest fight of the year, it's a professional fight. As compare to Nate Diaz vs Jake Paul who is purely for entertainment as this is just a exhibition match and most likely they are just here for the money.

And if might not end good for Diaz, going to be competitive in the first 3 rounds. But after that, Paul's will take over as per his experience in boxing. Maybe less than 500k PPV buys for me.

Yup, there are no high expectations about this event specially about their figures that somehow it will be comparable because majority of the people knew that the results are already clear enough even before the bell rang and as expected, it did happened where Nate was defeated and Jake Paul won and it is not that surprising anymore because Jake Paul can only defeat MMA fighters who are transitioning to the sports of boxing.
Next up is their rematch inside the cage and I seriously hope it will happen just like what was said days prior.

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August 06, 2023, 08:22:52 PM
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Undefeated against MMA fighters. That's the rank of Jake Paul now. But not against true boxers.  Cheesy
Nate Diaz only showed his tough chin but that's it. First round he was knocked down but as an MMA fan and a Diaz fan too, I know that will only boost the morale of Nate and not the other way around.
He loves the challenge and when he is hurt, that's when he keeps on going. That is why the fight ended in a unanimous decision instead and not a KO or TKO. I am also glad that the referee knew Nate and he won't just stop the fight even if he is badly hurt.
Nate showed how strong his cardio is even against a tough opponent, it ended as a good brawl which I thought will end quickly because Nate is old. He never fails to amaze me even in the boxing ring. That might not be his best when it comes to offense but damn, having that cardio and toughness at his age must feel pretty good for him.

I will admit that it was true boxing event atmosphere, lots of fans in the arena watching the fight live. And Nate find a way to survived the first round and I'm glad that the referee didn't stop it early as it will be a big disappointment for their fans.

But what can we say, Nate endurance is different, he is very durable. I didn't bet as well in this fight because it's hard to predict this kind of exhibitions. But it seems the Jake is really serious and tries to score a knockdown or a knockout win.

The longer i see Jake Paul fight, the more I start to believe that he is actually trying to become a genuine fighter. I heard that he is doing hard work, and i also heard that he is definitely trying to be a great boxer. The reason why i did not respect him was because he was fighting retired guys.  But this was a good fight, i was a little surprised to see the fight, go like this to be honest, but it is what it is.

I think to get the respect of people, Jake Paul needs to do more. He’s not going to get peoples respect if he just fights against old guys.

I think someone asked Andrew Tate about fighting Mike Tyson. He said it perfectly. Basically he said that Mike Tyson is old right now.  And it is not going to be morally right for a 36-year-old Andrew Tate, who was a four times kickboxing champion by the way, fight against old Mike Tyson.

I guess you can say that but, in my perspective, I see a different version of him because what I think of him is that he was just there fighting in the ring to make an easy money by taking advantage of an MMA fighter who wanted to test their versions as a boxer. While there is also that chance where he is indeed training to be a bonafide boxer but he cannot achieve what he is aiming for if he cannot even defeat a real boxer.

Bringing Mike Tyson in the table for discussion is again an easy money because people will surely watch Mike Tyson, not to see if he can still fight because that is not even a question, but people will be watching him because it's nice to see Iron Mike stepping in the ring again as a boxer.

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August 06, 2023, 09:07:52 PM
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Not sure if you are aware that the Joshua vs Whyte fight has been cancelled already due to Dillian Whyte tested positive for some ban substance through Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA).

In any case, match room's Eddie Hearn can find a replacement fighter here so that this fight is not totally postponed as others boxers in the undercard have prepared already. And for sure we will follow the case as Whyte is going to appeal and proved that he is innocence.

Dang! I didn't know that thanks for the info, it surely helps surely I haven't seen the news until I have seen some comments on Tapology this one


Then you confirmed with your post it was a bummer because we don't have pretty much upcoming good fights, although this is not really a good fight because Dillian Whyte is a picked fighter for Anthony Joshua so it is still a bummer for canceling the fight and Tapology not updating their post about it,

But whatever finding another boxing event that is worth the time to watch, now that Jake Paul vs Nate Diaz fight was already settled,

Undefeated against MMA fighters. That's the rank of Jake Paul now. But not against true boxers.  Cheesy
Nate Diaz only showed his tough chin but that's it. First round he was knocked down but as an MMA fan and a Diaz fan too, I know that will only boost the morale of Nate and not the other way around.
He loves the challenge and when he is hurt, that's when he keeps on going. That is why the fight ended in a unanimous decision instead and not a KO or TKO. I am also glad that the referee knew Nate and he won't just stop the fight even if he is badly hurt.
Nate showed how strong his cardio is even against a tough opponent, it ended as a good brawl which I thought will end quickly because Nate is old. He never fails to amaze me even in the boxing ring. That might not be his best when it comes to offense but damn, having that cardio and toughness at his age must feel pretty good for him.

Surely that is just how good Jake Paul is fighting old retired MMA fighters once he steps inside the ring with a true boxer then he is minced meat I sure hope the Salt Papi vs Jake Paul fight is still in progress because I would like to see it but I am also doubting it because Jake Paul only wants to show his boxing prowess with an MMA fighter, surely Nate Diaz also amazed me as well showing his durability, cardio, and wits inside the ring against Jake Paul Nate Diaz is still the winner in the eyes of his fans, and with this fight, there is a lot of Criticism and bashing for Jake Paul for this fight it seems when he lost with real boxer he gets back to fight on MMA fighters are like a bully,

but the wrong thing that he have done inside the ring was challenging Nate Diaz in an MMA fight that will surely be his worst nightmare Nate Diaz also explained that he already lost in a match when he clinched at Jake Paul he is really ready to take on his head but as a good sportsmanship Nate Diaz continues, well pretty much a good thing he does, as Jake Paul's confidence is risen up when he won but will surely regrets this on the MMA rule fight for sure,
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August 06, 2023, 09:19:19 PM
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According to the news, Inoue is set to have more fights in the current division before moving up. This presents an opportunity for Casimero to finally face the boxer whom he called "the turtle" and claim that he is the real beast. I know he is just trash talking, but the only way to find out who is the better boxer of the two is if they fight.

Casimero is not a top contender yet based on the ranking, but as he continues to have more fights, he will eventually become a top contender. I hope the time is not too late for him to become a mandatory challenger for Inoue.

Well, but it's not bad, I like that, I think Casiero is putting his sentence on himself , Because if the Fight Occurs, things that I would like, well, whoever wins here will be able to continue showing off what he is, although I have seen Inoue's attitudes And he is a Very Respectful boxer, he is not Praising himself and he is really a person who is a good sportsman, I consider him almost a genius of the sport, because he has controlled each fight , I have not seen it yet a fight where Inoue sees him as bad, or out of his mind , while Casimero does, Casimero should mess with any boxer, but not with Inoue, in fact, in the way Inoue is at the moment , I'm sure he could even hit him a good Knockout to Casimero.
^^ Same here, I'll just see what will be the outcome, and I don't have any intention to bet on this fight either. Sure, the name of Nate Diaz still bring some hype because he was really a colorful individual when he was still with the UFC and had great matches.

But this is boxing, and Jake Paul has made a killing of this sports as he made a lot of money already winning fights and this will be the same case here. And I think the sports of boxing exhibitions are over, we are back the normal now. We do love to see some exhibitions, but we had some good boxing this year that we are done with this kind of fights as we are entertain with real boxers fighting each other.

It is obvious this fight is created to generate money for the boxer, and promoter,  and is not created for boxing development.  Though exhibition is a good thing once in a while but having too many in a short span of time makes me look at it as boring as hell.  Though I am thinking this exhibition fight is boring, I am looking forward to see the development of Shields vs Thurman mix gender boxing fight.  I wanted to see if these thing is a scripted one (someone is pulling a string behind the scene creating a fixed results that can boost one's popularity for future marketing exploits)

Maybe in the beginning and during the pandemic, it's good to see this kind of exhibitions. And really in the beginning, it was good, like Tyson vs Roy Jones. But then it was fully exploited by Floyd Mayweather and then the Paul brothers to generate millions for them and it is very effective admit it or not as they got now a company to promote their fight if I'm not mistaken.

However, now it becomes boring, and if Jake Paul wanted to be a boxer then maybe he can do it and make a pro fight. But for sure there will be less money for him and that's why he just stay in his comfort zone - exhibitions matches, easy peasy millions for them.

Yes right, if he really aiming to become a pro he always have that advantage over those who are trying to enter this industry, he already have a name and he can negotiate a fight with his chosen division, but same with what you said, the amount of money is far lesser unless he will hype his fight and encourage those followers and viewers to buy a ticket with his fight.

Or, if he can set his first fight against a champion or a good ranking fighter, maybe that will also bring some decent amount of profits.

Well, to go from being a very good UFC fighter to boxing, I know that UFC fighters use their hands more to defend themselves, but in the specific case of being boxers, I think they should be very careful, because a boxer has more experience, it resists more blows, and the UFC blows are not the same as those of a boxer, they are stronger, faster and really one of those blows can kill anyone, only with 1, me in my personal experience With respect to the contact sports, I can say it, because it is not the same to fight hapkido and then mess with a boxer, because the boxer can give a knockout when the fighter does not expect it, to switch to boxing, I think what is indicated is to train the fighter. least 1 year, and if you have a lot of talent you can go down to 6 months but with a lot of risk, boxing really is very hard, a sport that not everyone resists.

and the fight:


Jake Paul, Nate Diaz talk rematch after Saturday fight



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YouTube star-turned-boxer Jake Paul decisively beat UFC legend Nate Diaz in a boxing match Saturday night, but Diaz said he’s willing to take on Paul again, whether in the ring or the mixed-martial arts cage.

“Right now we’re going to go home and we’re going to talk about it, and we’re going to figure out whether we want to do MMA or boxing, and then we’ll see what they want to do,” Diaz said in his news conference after the match.

Source: https://sportsnaut.com/jake-paul-nate-diaz-talk-rematch-after-saturday-fight/

What I like the most about this is that the boxers will always ask for revenge, no matter how much they have been beaten, even if they are dying, they always ask for revenge, it is like that pride that does not let them do more than think about winning when they meet again. see, this is the typical behavior of any boxer, I just hope that Paul gives him the opportunity and they continue with the fights and give each other a good revenge because things can happen quickly, and it doesn't happen like that fight where Crawford was almost begging a Spence did not want to give him that fight and everything ended very badly for Spence, it is a shame for him, but they are all in different positions, today you can win, tomorrow you lose, that's boxing.


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August 06, 2023, 09:59:28 PM
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I think that this is how boxing has been in recent years, but a boxer should never have that thought "sometimes I win, sometimes I lose", it is the marketing of today in terms of boxing quality.  As for the rivalry between boxers for rematches, it's a classic in the sport of punches, it's not pride, it's money, it's just the idea they sell.

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August 06, 2023, 11:34:41 PM
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They find that these kinds of boxings are more way profitable than most of the UFC fights so they put some considerations to accept is despite the fact that some of their conditions are obviously known like the knockdown earlier and other dramas inside the ring. But who cares for that when you making good decent amount of money while doing it and even more high than real fights in the UFC.

They actually did and in fact, the MMA retired fighters are fighting boxers that could make tons of money by making those 1-time fight and are curious enough onlookers that want to see an exquisite fight will surely hype it, while retiring boxers also retired and then find themselves fighting in an exhibition match finding it more profitable and safe for them, is surely what they want and maybe that is why Teofimo Lopez wants to retire early is so he can take on a fight as a retired boxer in fighting the greats before him in an exhibition match-up to gain a decent amount of money in not risking critical injury aswell,


The longer i see Jake Paul fight, the more I start to believe that he is actually trying to become a genuine fighter. I heard that he is doing hard work, and i also heard that he is definitely trying to be a great boxer. The reason why i did not respect him was because he was fighting retired guys.  But this was a good fight, i was a little surprised to see the fight, go like this to be honest, but it is what it is.

I think to get the respect of people, Jake Paul needs to do more. He’s not going to get peoples respect if he just fights against old guys.

I think someone asked Andrew Tate about fighting Mike Tyson. He said it perfectly. Basically he said that Mike Tyson is old right now.  And it is not going to be morally right for a 36-year-old Andrew Tate, who was a four times kickboxing champion by the way, fight against old Mike Tyson.

in gaining more respect he needs to step up to the game well in his recent fight with Nate Diaz he announced that he now wants to challenge Nate into an MMA fight which I think is another leap toward becoming a great fighter, which is for me his going to regret later on,

For me I want him to stick with boxing if he wants some respect he needs to fight on terms and with boxing with the same level as his, well before jumping up a notch,


What I like the most about this is that the boxers will always ask for revenge, no matter how much they have been beaten, even if they are dying, they always ask for revenge, it is like that pride that does not let them do more than think about winning when they meet again. see, this is the typical behavior of any boxer, I just hope that Paul gives him the opportunity and they continue with the fights and give each other a good revenge because things can happen quickly, and it doesn't happen like that fight where Crawford was almost begging a Spence did not want to give him that fight and everything ended very badly for Spence, it is a shame for him, but they are all in different positions, today you can win, tomorrow you lose, that's boxing.

Well, Nate Diaz hurt Jake Paul's ego in their fight for sure that is why he wanted a rematch and now in the MMA format rules, which is Jake Paul wants to prove that he can beat Nate Diaz even in MMA,
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August 07, 2023, 03:04:38 AM
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The longer i see Jake Paul fight, the more I start to believe that he is actually trying to become a genuine fighter. I heard that he is doing hard work, and i also heard that he is definitely trying to be a great boxer. The reason why i did not respect him was because he was fighting retired guys.  But this was a good fight, i was a little surprised to see the fight, go like this to be honest, but it is what it is.

I think to get the respect of people, Jake Paul needs to do more. He’s not going to get peoples respect if he just fights against old guys.

I think someone asked Andrew Tate about fighting Mike Tyson. He said it perfectly. Basically he said that Mike Tyson is old right now.  And it is not going to be morally right for a 36-year-old Andrew Tate, who was a four times kickboxing champion by the way, fight against old Mike Tyson.

in gaining more respect he needs to step up to the game well in his recent fight with Nate Diaz he announced that he now wants to challenge Nate into an MMA fight which I think is another leap toward becoming a great fighter, which is for me his going to regret later on,

For me I want him to stick with boxing if he wants some respect he needs to fight on terms and with boxing with the same level as his, well before jumping up a notch,

If in case a rematch between them will happen in the octagon, it will surely be a regret that will put a huge embarrassment to his name and to his little branding. He should know his chance because those chances are exactly the same when Nate or any MMA fighter that he fought in the past step foot in the boxing ring, or worse even lower than that boxing not only Nate can finish the fight much easier, in that sport, Jake Paul doesn't have what it takes to fight in the cage.
And if all of this is about him gaining a respect, then he is certainly seeking in the wrong place.

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August 07, 2023, 05:07:25 AM
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Also, the PPV numbers, could it generate more than the recent Spence vs Crawford fight?
No way mate! Let's bet. Cheesy Many casuals already understood that their idol Jake Paul is not that special after losing his first fight against a real boxer. Although they have no idea that Tommy Fury is not even a top 20, very raw and clumsy so some might believe Paul's statement that he improved and that he is a real prospect to become a world champion. So maybe this can reach 500k PPV buys.

The undercard is not that exciting either, it's a mismatch. Amanda Serrano clearly beat Heather Hardy years ago so at 41 she will lose worse than their first match. My PPV buys prediction in this event is 300k and I'm already generous with it as this could be much lower.

I would have to agree that this fight is not even getting close to the numbers that Spence and Crawford did. It is the second biggest fight of the year, it's a professional fight. As compare to Nate Diaz vs Jake Paul who is purely for entertainment as this is just a exhibition match and most likely they are just here for the money.

And if might not end good for Diaz, going to be competitive in the first 3 rounds. But after that, Paul's will take over as per his experience in boxing. Maybe less than 500k PPV buys for me.

Yup, there are no high expectations about this event specially about their figures that somehow it will be comparable because majority of the people knew that the results are already clear enough even before the bell rang and as expected, it did happened where Nate was defeated and Jake Paul won and it is not that surprising anymore because Jake Paul can only defeat MMA fighters who are transitioning to the sports of boxing.
Next up is their rematch inside the cage and I seriously hope it will happen just like what was said days prior.

I didn't watch the fight. Pretty sure I had more fun yesterday watching Gerard Butler's action movie, Kandahar. The fight is nothing special, it's only good for the casuals who haven't seen or heard the real fights like Crawford and Inoue earlier. The undercard would've been a good show if only they picked a better live opponent. Jake Paul tried hard entering the arena riding a tank. Cheesy

But I'm just glad Nate is finally getting his well-deserved pay. I heard he is about to get paid $10 million for that event. I wish he just choke Shake Paul until he gets unconscious but I knew it won't happen as he might not get his purse. As for the rematch in MMA, I highly doubt it. It's only marketing in order to draw interest to people that there is a rematch under MMA rules. No way Paul is going to do it against an MMA legend. Maybe Paul is willing 5 years from now, at that time Nate is too inactive and old.

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August 07, 2023, 01:12:24 PM
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But what can we say, Nate endurance is different, he is very durable. I didn't bet as well in this fight because it's hard to predict this kind of exhibitions. But it seems the Jake is really serious and tries to score a knockdown or a knockout win.
He is known for that, so I was not surprised that he could get up and not even showing a little wobbly after the knockdown.
True, Jake Paul is trying to end it but it won't work with Nate Diaz, that guy is a tough dude with a chin that is known in the UFC that cannot be broken down.  Cheesy

Surely that is just how good Jake Paul is fighting old retired MMA fighters once he steps inside the ring with a true boxer then he is minced meat I sure hope the Salt Papi vs Jake Paul fight is still in progress because I would like to see it but I am also doubting it because Jake Paul only wants to show his boxing prowess with an MMA fighter, surely Nate Diaz also amazed me as well showing his durability, cardio, and wits inside the ring against Jake Paul Nate Diaz is still the winner in the eyes of his fans, and with this fight, there is a lot of Criticism and bashing for Jake Paul for this fight it seems when he lost with real boxer he gets back to fight on MMA fighters are like a bully,
Not just criticism from boxing analysts but even the fans are not liking what he is doing. You are correct, he will receive more from anybody who loves boxing. Eventually, he will need to fight a pro boxer and a true one because his name will get old and maybe will not hit the trend anymore when he keeps on fighting MMA fighters.
Still, I am not impressed with Paul until I see him against a fighter as big as him and as trained in boxing only as him because that's when we can tell that he ain't avoiding anyone.

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August 07, 2023, 03:03:07 PM
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Nate explains he hurt his shoulder which is the reason for his sloppy performance. I was expecting him to be knocked out after that 5th round fall but he is tough to have fought standing til the end. Just a poor performance off him after going up to 200lbs while he is more confident in 155 for his UFC career.

If he is what he was back in time when he fought Conor, it probably ends in the most humiliating defeat of Jake. Yup he is old and best to retire.



Now he is too much older to continue fighting, it is going to really very hard for him to continue fighting. You know it is common for every fighter, when anyone adapted to a certain weight class for a long period of fighting it is really hard for him to move up or down his weight class. This is also a prominent factor in his loss.




I guess you can say that but, in my perspective, I see a different version of him because what I think of him is that he was just there fighting in the ring to make an easy money by taking advantage of an MMA fighter who wanted to test their versions as a boxer. While there is also that chance where he is indeed training to be a bonafide boxer but he cannot achieve what he is aiming for if he cannot even defeat a real boxer.

Bringing Mike Tyson in the table for discussion is again an easy money because people will surely watch Mike Tyson, not to see if he can still fight because that is not even a question, but people will be watching him because it's nice to see Iron Mike stepping in the ring again as a boxer.

I want to say his main target was to earn money as much as he can, and with it, he also tried to gain popularity in the boxing world. But the thing is i cant say that he has done very well to acquire popularity positively.  But you know popularity is popularity, whatever positively or partially positive. Now what I want to say is that he is beating people, he should not be able to beat. So he is certainly doing good work with his training.

But I also agree that he just cannot invite people who are not professional boxer and beat them in boxing. He should definitely try to beat a real boxer.

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August 07, 2023, 04:42:29 PM
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Also, the PPV numbers, could it generate more than the recent Spence vs Crawford fight?
No way mate! Let's bet. Cheesy Many casuals already understood that their idol Jake Paul is not that special after losing his first fight against a real boxer. Although they have no idea that Tommy Fury is not even a top 20, very raw and clumsy so some might believe Paul's statement that he improved and that he is a real prospect to become a world champion. So maybe this can reach 500k PPV buys.

The undercard is not that exciting either, it's a mismatch. Amanda Serrano clearly beat Heather Hardy years ago so at 41 she will lose worse than their first match. My PPV buys prediction in this event is 300k and I'm already generous with it as this could be much lower.

I would have to agree that this fight is not even getting close to the numbers that Spence and Crawford did. It is the second biggest fight of the year, it's a professional fight. As compare to Nate Diaz vs Jake Paul who is purely for entertainment as this is just a exhibition match and most likely they are just here for the money.

And if might not end good for Diaz, going to be competitive in the first 3 rounds. But after that, Paul's will take over as per his experience in boxing. Maybe less than 500k PPV buys for me.

Yup, there are no high expectations about this event specially about their figures that somehow it will be comparable because majority of the people knew that the results are already clear enough even before the bell rang and as expected, it did happened where Nate was defeated and Jake Paul won and it is not that surprising anymore because Jake Paul can only defeat MMA fighters who are transitioning to the sports of boxing.
Next up is their rematch inside the cage and I seriously hope it will happen just like what was said days prior.

I didn't watch the fight. Pretty sure I had more fun yesterday watching Gerard Butler's action movie, Kandahar. The fight is nothing special, it's only good for the casuals who haven't seen or heard the real fights like Crawford and Inoue earlier. The undercard would've been a good show if only they picked a better live opponent. Jake Paul tried hard entering the arena riding a tank. Cheesy

But I'm just glad Nate is finally getting his well-deserved pay. I heard he is about to get paid $10 million for that event. I wish he just choke Shake Paul until he gets unconscious but I knew it won't happen as he might not get his purse. As for the rematch in MMA, I highly doubt it. It's only marketing in order to draw interest to people that there is a rematch under MMA rules. No way Paul is going to do it against an MMA legend. Maybe Paul is willing 5 years from now, at that time Nate is too inactive and old.

There's not much to see in the first place Grin Just two good actors fooling the crowd while collecting their paychecks at the end of the event. Sadly, that figure you mentioned is just too high from what did Nate Diaz got from that fight because in this article, it was said that Nate was just given a guaranteed $500k (PPV not included) while Jake Paul brought home $2 Million. On the bright side, that is 150k more from Nate's last fight against Tony Ferguson in the UFC as he was just given $350k at that time.

 
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If in case a rematch between them will happen in the octagon, it will surely be a regret that will put a huge embarrassment to his name and to his little branding. He should know his chance because those chances are exactly the same when Nate or any MMA fighter that he fought in the past step foot in the boxing ring, or worse even lower than that boxing not only Nate can finish the fight much easier, in that sport, Jake Paul doesn't have what it takes to fight in the cage.
And if all of this is about him gaining a respect, then he is certainly seeking in the wrong place.

Did you notice after the fight well maybe I think before the fight was announced there are many criticisms that Jake Paul is returning to fighting retired MMA fighters and with that announcement he was already exposed he likely got a huge chance by just fighting retired MMA fighters. It was really a bad idea in fighting Tommy Fury and sure KSI will have a hard time with Tommy Fury aswell, this is for sure many don't want Jake Paul to return to fighting retired MMA fighters,


Now he is too much older to continue fighting, it is going to really very hard for him to continue fighting. You know it is common for every fighter, when anyone adapted to a certain weight class for a long period of fighting it is really hard for him to move up or down his weight class. This is also a prominent factor in his loss.


Nate Diaz can still fight in an exhibition match for sure the weight is really one factor for it but Nate Diaz looks huge inside the ring, so he is the one that is cutting weight here, and pretty much the biggest factor on why Nate Diaz lost is not really his age, as we can see he has finished the fight and getting it on the distance for sure he still got the fight in him, and this is boxing there are many limits for Nate Diaz and a lot of limited movement and with the gloves Diaz is really not used with the gloves but the big mistake that Jake Paul did was accepting the fight for the MMA format as Nate Diaz will surely pulverize Jake Paul with that MMA gloves and the MMA rules that Nate Diaz is certainly more familiar with, but for sure Jake Paul will surely put some additional rules here and maybe he will not show for that fight let's just wait,

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There's not much to see in the first place Grin Just two good actors fooling the crowd while collecting their paychecks at the end of the event. Sadly, that figure you mentioned is just too high from what did Nate Diaz got from that fight because in this article, it was said that Nate was just given a guaranteed $500k (PPV not included) while Jake Paul brought home $2 Million. On the bright side, that is 150k more from Nate's last fight against Tony Ferguson in the UFC as he was just given $350k at that time.

Not bad at all, just a single no sparring and you'll get $500k and with that easy payout they are bringing hypes for possible rematch, and if that will materialize another addition to their paychecks, I'm not a hater but we all know that there's nothing in this fight though there are fans who loves to see their idols fighting the Paul's bros', that huge numbers of followers are bringing more millions for them, oh well, just another collection day for those performers and hopefully live viewers and PPV are also did enjoy the performances.

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If in case a rematch between them will happen in the octagon, it will surely be a regret that will put a huge embarrassment to his name and to his little branding. He should know his chance because those chances are exactly the same when Nate or any MMA fighter that he fought in the past step foot in the boxing ring, or worse even lower than that boxing not only Nate can finish the fight much easier, in that sport, Jake Paul doesn't have what it takes to fight in the cage.
And if all of this is about him gaining a respect, then he is certainly seeking in the wrong place.

It will be a regretful day for Jake Paul for challenging Nate Diaz in an MMA fight surely if he wants to continue this he needs certain help in training with the basics, maybe wrestling, and Jui Jitsu because on the stan-up he can surely use his boxing, but those kicks will be pretty much crucial and those low leg kicks, if he lost this fight his career will also going into a downtrend for sure not a career-ending but a slight down trend for him


I didn't watch the fight. Pretty sure I had more fun yesterday watching Gerard Butler's action movie, Kandahar. The fight is nothing special, it's only good for the casuals who haven't seen or heard the real fights like Crawford and Inoue earlier. The undercard would've been a good show if only they picked a better live opponent. Jake Paul tried hard entering the arena riding a tank. Cheesy

But I'm just glad Nate is finally getting his well-deserved pay. I heard he is about to get paid $10 million for that event. I wish he just choke Shake Paul until he gets unconscious but I knew it won't happen as he might not get his purse. As for the rematch in MMA, I highly doubt it. It's only marketing in order to draw interest to people that there is a rematch under MMA rules. No way Paul is going to do it against an MMA legend. Maybe Paul is willing 5 years from now, at that time Nate is too inactive and old.

Actually, for me, it was really a good fight but not watching Jake Paul but for how long Nate Diaz can withstand the beating I know Nate Diaz will not win this matchup at least I have supported him to withstand the barrage of Jake Paul, for sure I want to see another Jake Paul fight and bet on what round Jake Paul retired MMA opponent can withstand the beating, it is a great bet for the boring guys that has an idea that Jake Paul will surely win this,
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The longer i see Jake Paul fight, the more I start to believe that he is actually trying to become a genuine fighter. I heard that he is doing hard work, and i also heard that he is definitely trying to be a great boxer. The reason why i did not respect him was because he was fighting retired guys.  But this was a good fight, i was a little surprised to see the fight, go like this to be honest, but it is what it is.

I think to get the respect of people, Jake Paul needs to do more. He’s not going to get peoples respect if he just fights against old guys.

I think someone asked Andrew Tate about fighting Mike Tyson. He said it perfectly. Basically he said that Mike Tyson is old right now.  And it is not going to be morally right for a 36-year-old Andrew Tate, who was a four times kickboxing champion by the way, fight against old Mike Tyson.

in gaining more respect he needs to step up to the game well in his recent fight with Nate Diaz he announced that he now wants to challenge Nate into an MMA fight which I think is another leap toward becoming a great fighter, which is for me his going to regret later on,

For me I want him to stick with boxing if he wants some respect he needs to fight on terms and with boxing with the same level as his, well before jumping up a notch,

If in case a rematch between them will happen in the octagon, it will surely be a regret that will put a huge embarrassment to his name and to his little branding. He should know his chance because those chances are exactly the same when Nate or any MMA fighter that he fought in the past step foot in the boxing ring, or worse even lower than that boxing not only Nate can finish the fight much easier, in that sport, Jake Paul doesn't have what it takes to fight in the cage.
And if all of this is about him gaining a respect, then he is certainly seeking in the wrong place.

Or maybe for gaining attention that's why he's looking for this venue but same with how you see it, if Jake Paul will seriously
take this fight inside the cage the advantage will be on the side of Nate.

Knowing him as a fighter who really understand how things work inside the cage, it's very different scene for Paul.

Let's wait and see if there's reality from this upcoming rematch, if both will agree to set it inside the cage.
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Not bad at all, just a single no sparring and you'll get $500k and with that easy payout they are bringing hypes for possible rematch, and if that will materialize another addition to their paychecks, I'm not a hater but we all know that there's nothing in this fight though there are fans who loves to see their idols fighting the Paul's bros', that huge numbers of followers are bringing more millions for them, oh well, just another collection day for those performers and hopefully live viewers and PPV are also did enjoy the performances.

Not just follower because there are also those haters that wants Jake Paul to lose to a MMA fighter just once, Nate Diaz is one badassery of a fighter to fight and may though that Nate Diaz will then can knockdown Jake Paul once and for all, but it really doesn't happen but yeah some of the revenue comes from sponsor that likely curious about the fight, and doesn't really know where to put their money,


It will be a regretful day for Jake Paul for challenging Nate Diaz in an MMA fight surely if he wants to continue this he needs certain help in training with the basics, maybe wrestling, and Jui Jitsu because on the stan-up he can surely use his boxing, but those kicks will be pretty much crucial and those low leg kicks, if he lost this fight his career will also going into a downtrend for sure not a career-ending but a slight down trend for him


I also though that when this fight was settled then there isn't any rematch but Jake Paul have said that he wants to fight Nate Diaz into MMA I was really shocked and think that this is the mistake that he have done in his career because Nate Diaz will surely Pulverize him in the MMA rules and with those small MMA gloves that they are using for sure Nate Diaz will be much comfortable and faster when they fight it's like taking of his hand cuffs when they fought in boxing that is how much constricting the gloves on boxing is,

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There's not much to see in the first place Grin Just two good actors fooling the crowd while collecting their paychecks at the end of the event. Sadly, that figure you mentioned is just too high from what did Nate Diaz got from that fight because in this article, it was said that Nate was just given a guaranteed $500k (PPV not included) while Jake Paul brought home $2 Million. On the bright side, that is 150k more from Nate's last fight against Tony Ferguson in the UFC as he was just given $350k at that time.

Not bad at all, just a single no sparring and you'll get $500k and with that easy payout they are bringing hypes for possible rematch, and if that will materialize another addition to their paychecks, I'm not a hater but we all know that there's nothing in this fight though there are fans who loves to see their idols fighting the Paul's bros', that huge numbers of followers are bringing more millions for them, oh well, just another collection day for those performers and hopefully live viewers and PPV are also did enjoy the performances.
Yes, that's easy money for Jake Paul and Nate Diaz. I heard some people say that Nate looks like not even training to win the fight but to survive. Still, I'm happy to hear that Nate survived. As for their purse, there are a lot of conflicting numbers given by different sites. But it's far from what they are receiving once PPV buys are all accounted for. PPV buys in boxing can earn them as much as 100% of the net income so even if the numbers are bad, Nate will receive a million. $10 million might be too far off though, it needs 500k PPV buys in order for Nate to earn that figure.


I didn't watch the fight. Pretty sure I had more fun yesterday watching Gerard Butler's action movie, Kandahar. The fight is nothing special, it's only good for the casuals who haven't seen or heard the real fights like Crawford and Inoue earlier. The undercard would've been a good show if only they picked a better live opponent. Jake Paul tried hard entering the arena riding a tank. Cheesy

But I'm just glad Nate is finally getting his well-deserved pay. I heard he is about to get paid $10 million for that event. I wish he just choke Shake Paul until he gets unconscious but I knew it won't happen as he might not get his purse. As for the rematch in MMA, I highly doubt it. It's only marketing in order to draw interest to people that there is a rematch under MMA rules. No way Paul is going to do it against an MMA legend. Maybe Paul is willing 5 years from now, at that time Nate is too inactive and old.

Actually, for me, it was really a good fight but not watching Jake Paul but for how long Nate Diaz can withstand the beating I know Nate Diaz will not win this matchup at least I have supported him to withstand the barrage of Jake Paul, for sure I want to see another Jake Paul fight and bet on what round Jake Paul retired MMA opponent can withstand the beating, it is a great bet for the boring guys that has an idea that Jake Paul will surely win this,

Well not cool for me to see legends getting beaten by upcoming fighters that they could've easily beaten in their primes or in Nate's case in his preferred sport. I was actually thinking of betting on Paul even if I will never watch the fight but then I felt like there's a lot of pride in there for Nate to just take a dive. So I thought a possible hail mary punch could make an upset.

I don't know what's next for Jake Paul. Maybe he should accept the challenge from female boxer Claressa Shields. Cheesy I am pretty sure to watch it live if it happens. That girl will put a beating on the special child. Cheesy


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