Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[OgNasty]

This is crazy. With the US supplying long range weapons and Russia potentially responding with nuclear weapons, we could officially have World War III upon us at any moment. Actual textbook defined people learning about it forever WWIII. I hope Russia is willing to show restraint until Trump takes office and ends this conflict.

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I hope Russia is willing to show restraint until Trump takes office and ends this conflict.

The first serious test for Trump. Will he really withdraw this decision and how much this decision depends on the president?
I am interested in how everyone who supported him will feel and behave if he does not do anything about withdrawing this decision.

[Branko]

Again, if you have an enemy in front that has ballistic missiles that - that is your assumption, which I think is wrong - can have nuclear warheads and you do not know if what they launch is or not a nuclear warhead, the safest and best option is to leave that enemy alone them alone. Problem solved.

If you force armed criminal out of your house, can you sleep well if he is (still armed) sleeping in your garden?
(criminal here been UK, not Ukraine)

Also, let me cite Putin:

"The fact is, and I have already spoken about it, and every expert, including our Western one, will confirm this, that the Ukrainian army is not capable of firing modern, high-precision and long-range systems of Western production. They cannot do it. This is possible only with the use of satellite intelligence, which Ukraine does not possess. This is data from satellites of the European Union or the United States, essentially NATO satellites. That is the first point. The second and perhaps most important point is that flight missions for these missile systems can, in essence, only be programmed by NATO military personnel. Ukrainian military personnel cannot do this. Therefore, it is not a question of allowing or prohibiting the Ukrainian regime from attacking Russia with these weapons. The question is whether NATO countries will decide to directly participate in the military conflict. If such a decision is made, it will mean nothing less than the direct involvement of NATO countries, the United States and European countries in the war in Ukraine. This direct involvement will significantly change the nature of the conflict. This will mean that NATO countries, the United States and European nations are at war with Russia. And if that is the case, given the fundamental change in the nature of this conflict, we will make decisions accordingly, based on the threats that are being imposed on us."

[paxmao]

This is crazy. With the US supplying long range weapons and Russia potentially responding with nuclear weapons, we could officially have World War III upon us at any moment. Actual textbook defined people learning about it forever WWIII. I hope Russia is willing to show restraint until Trump takes office and ends this conflict.

Ruzzia, which has been using all short of missiles, ballistic and cruise since the beginning of the war and has now called on soldiers of a third party nation - North Korea - to fight and kill Ukrainians, is using Iranian drones against Ukrainian cities has ever shown any level of "restrain" other than the strictly necessary to avoid getting NATO involved.

Why should we decide that Ukraine has to receive all that destruction and death while not delivering an equivalent response?

You "hopium" about the abilities of Trump is absolutely cute.

Again, if you have an enemy in front that has ballistic missiles that - that is your assumption, which I think is wrong - can have nuclear warheads and you do not know if what they launch is or not a nuclear warhead, the safest and best option is to leave that enemy alone them alone. Problem solved.

If you force armed criminal out of your house, can you sleep well if he is (still armed) sleeping in your garden?
(criminal here been UK, not Ukraine)

Also, let me cite Putin:

"The fact is, and I have already spoken about it, and every expert, including our Western one, will confirm this, that the Ukrainian army is not capable of firing modern, high-precision and long-range systems of Western production. They cannot do it. This is possible only with the use of satellite intelligence, which Ukraine does not possess. This is data from satellites of the European Union or the United States, essentially NATO satellites. That is the first point. The second and perhaps most important point is that flight missions for these missile systems can, in essence, only be programmed by NATO military personnel. Ukrainian military personnel cannot do this. Therefore, it is not a question of allowing or prohibiting the Ukrainian regime from attacking Russia with these weapons. The question is whether NATO countries will decide to directly participate in the military conflict. If such a decision is made, it will mean nothing less than the direct involvement of NATO countries, the United States and European countries in the war in Ukraine. This direct involvement will significantly change the nature of the conflict. This will mean that NATO countries, the United States and European nations are at war with Russia. And if that is the case, given the fundamental change in the nature of this conflict, we will make decisions accordingly, based on the threats that are being imposed on us."

The most interesting thing about this rubbish post is that you had to clarify who is in whose garden, because it is obvious who is the invading criminal. Let's start by puting it rigth:

No, you absolutely have the right to kick the criminal's ass out of Ukraine your garden.

See, that is the problem, you are still in the mindset that Ukraine is the garden of Ruzzia - a piece of land and many people there just to serve Moscow's interests whose only right is to accept whatever Moscow decides about them (e.g. being killed by hunger, winters or bombs). Any and all your comments are tainted by the supremacist thought and everything you say makes only sense to those who accept that somehow there is a "divine right" or rule by Moscow and anything else is because of "external enemies". Of course you can justify anything under that premise - and you do in every post tbh.

On what Putin says, well, he says so many things... you can tell he is lying easily. Is he moving his lips? Then he is lying.

But even it that is correct, I see no problem with it. If North Korean soldiers can fight for Ruzzia and can take artillery pieces and supply shells, Iran can provide an endless supply of drones and even ballistic missiles, China is smuggling parts and components (from the West by the way) and India is bying cheap oil from Ruzzia... well, I guess the ship of not involving others has sailed...

I do understand that this is "not the same" under your view  for the reasons previously stated (Ruzzia=good, anything else= bad)

[Branko]

The most interesting thing about this rubbish post is that you had to clarify who is in whose garden, because it is obvious who is the invading criminal. Let's start by puting it rigth:

I did it because you're so f***g predictable, lol. 3rd rate AI bot would do better job.
You're basically making same post 1000X times already in this thread

[paxmao]

The most interesting thing about this rubbish post is that you had to clarify who is in whose garden, because it is obvious who is the invading criminal. Let's start by puting it rigth:

I did it because you're so f***g predictable, lol. 3rd rate AI bot would do better job.
You're basically making same post 1000X times already in this thread

You speaking of predictability is the sea speaking of wetness.

Ok, so now we know your opinion about my posting.

But, you have carefully avoided to speak about the asymmetry in your measuring stick. For example, the UK is a criminal in the garden of Ruzzia. So Branko, what is Ukraine for you? Comm'on, write it, put it in words. Is it Ruzzia's garden or not? Does Ukraine have to be ruled from Moscow in your opinion or does it have to be "independent" as long as they do not become "too independent" meaning choosing anything that is not being under Moscow's influence (or dictate better).

I am sure you have some opinions on this?

Is it Ruzzia's attempts to influence the Western elections better or worse than US and other's doing aggressive diplomacy all over?
Does Putin have any more rights to rule than anyone else?
Is it OK if North Korea is about to send 100.000 soldier's but is not OK is ATACAMS are authorised to destroy them?
Is Zelensky a criminal, but Putin a hero?

Your bias is so extreme that either someone brainwashed you to black-belt level or you are probably not able to believe what you write.

[Branko]

The most interesting thing about this rubbish post is that you had to clarify who is in whose garden, because it is obvious who is the invading criminal. Let's start by puting it rigth:

I did it because you're so f***g predictable, lol. 3rd rate AI bot would do better job.
You're basically making same post 1000X times already in this thread

You speaking of predictability is the sea speaking of wetness.

Ok, so now we know your opinion about my posting.

But, you have carefully avoided to speak about the asymmetry in your measuring stick. For example, the UK is a criminal in the garden of Ruzzia. So Branko, what is Ukraine for you? Comm'on, write it, put it in words. Is it Ruzzia's garden or not? Does Ukraine have to be ruled from Moscow in your opinion or does it have to be "independent" as long as they do not become "too independent" meaning choosing anything that is not being under Moscow's influence (or dictate better).

I am sure you have some opinions on this?

Back in 1990 when Ukraine voted for staying in USSR they should honor the voice of the people. That would make everything much simpler.
Instead, they gave UK 30 years time to transform Ukraine into anti-Russia

[BADecker]

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You speaking of predictability is the sea speaking of wetness.

Ok, so now we know your opinion about my posting.

But, you have carefully avoided to speak about the asymmetry in your measuring stick. For example, the UK is a criminal in the garden of Ruzzia. So Branko, what is Ukraine for you? Comm'on, write it, put it in words. Is it Ruzzia's garden or not? Does Ukraine have to be ruled from Moscow in your opinion or does it have to be "independent" as long as they do not become "too independent" meaning choosing anything that is not being under Moscow's influence (or dictate better).

I am sure you have some opinions on this?

Back in 1990 when Ukraine voted for staying in USSR they should honor the voice of the people. That would make everything much simpler.
Instead, they gave UK 30 years time to transform Ukraine into anti-Russia

Zelensky is threatening to make nuclear missiles to use against Russia. By the time he gets them made, Russia will have taken Ukraine completely over, and Putin will use the Ukraine missiles on the UK.

[tvbcof]

Russia made it clear and inscribed it into their laws that if there is a grouping of nations which are collectively antagonistic to Russia, a response to an belligerent action will be taken against _any_ member of this group without regard to which one(s) largely produced the action.

This actually seems fairly reasonable to me.

The most obvious group is NATO.  American ATACMS landed deep within Russia, and very soon afterwards undersea cables between Germany and Scandanavia had some issues.

Knocking out some data cables is actually pretty weak-sauce and I would expect rapid escalation up to and including decimating regions which Russia might find problematic and/or may wish to integrate into their zones of control at some point.  Some of the Baltics would seem to fit the bill.

We have dyed-in-the-wool neo-crazies formulating policy and guiding a drooling idiot in charge of the execution of NATO activities at this time.  I would hope that Russia, in the interest of commendable behavior, would give some of these dink-states at least one opportunity to denounce and get the fuck out of NATO without delay.  I doubt that almost any of them would have signed up had they known that it was not a 'defensive' organization at all and would degenerate to engaging in suicidal behavior with their asses getting hit first.

I hope to hell that this insanity finally puts and end to NATO before they get us all killed.

[nutildah]

Crazy this war has been going for almost 3 years already. I didn't think Russia would keep it up for so long, as they apparently can't achieve any kind of a victory. Or at least enough of one for Putin to hang his hat on. The upside is nobody cares any more (unless you are Russian or Ukrainian). Certainly the markets don't care. This is a good thing.

[BADecker]

However, Biden has promised to send as much money to Ukraine as he can before his term is up. Of course, it's up to Congress to give him the money. Will Congress follow through with Biden's demands, especially that Trump might somehow exact on them some form of 'punishment' if they do?

Biden made a promise 20-some years ago that he would conquer Russia, and use Ukraine to do it. This whole stupid war that has killed hundreds of thousands of troops is Biden trying to fulfill that promise... for himself if not for the nation. And the world has to put up with the results.

Somebody should remove Biden from office right now rather than waiting for the end of his term.

[tvbcof]

Crazy this war has been going for almost 3 years already. I didn't think Russia would keep it up for so long, as they apparently can't achieve any kind of a victory. Or at least enough of one for Putin to hang his hat on. The upside is nobody cares any more (unless you are Russian or Ukrainian). Certainly the markets don't care. This is a good thing.

I care because this event is having a massive impact on the shape of global power, and thus, the world, going forward.

In most people's pea-brains, Putin want's a giant bag of Nazi to try to manage.  That is stupid beyond belief, especially since he never expressed such a desire, and the Russian activities have not suggested it in the slightest.  Yet.

What Russia is obtaining is:

 - Safety for the majority Russian-speaking populations of Ukraine which the Zio-nazis who took power in the 2014 color revolution made no bones about wishing to exterminate.  Unsurprisingly these people _voted_ heavily to join the Russian Federation.

 - A big chunk of some of the most resource-rich lands of 'recent' Ukraine back under Russian control.

 - A very degraded Ukrainian military which poses very diminished security concerns for Russia.  Plus carte-blanche to destroy anything new which shows up from the West.

 - Notable 'de-nazification' of the Ukrainian population (which is also about half the size that it was 3 years ago in full numbers.)

 - Rapid improvement of it's already formidable selection of weapons and techniques and an unmatched R&D environment in which to work.  The demonstration of superiority over pretty much everything NATO can supply to Ukraine is a huge selling point so all nations who are serious about defense (and offense) will be lining up around the block to stock up.

 - Massive increases in industrial manufacturing potential due to the war effort which can be re-tooled when things are over.

 - A terminal blow to the myth of Western military dominance which in turn is collapsing the USD.  Various factors are accelerating development of BRICS as a necessary replacement.

 - An expanding and tightening group of allies world-wide.

Time only improves the situation on almost all of these fronts for Russian.  The longer Russia can slow-walk things, the more every one of the above list will improve for them.  And the closer the 'Western Democracies' will be to total collapse as they lose material, morality, and flounder about in disorganized morass of fair-weather friends ready to stab one another in the back.

As best I can tell, all of these fortunes more or less fell into Putin's lap as opposed to being some sort of a brilliant plan.  Nobody could have predicted how jaw-droppingly stupid his adversaries could have been.  For this reason and other's, I continue to wonder if he really does have some 'deep assets' planted in the Western decision making centers (esp., in 'neocon' circles who have set the table for where we are now.)

All the above said, Russia cannot hold out forever as they have people dying as well, and need to cater to domestic pressures.  At some point time will not be on Russia's side.  If Putin is still around when this inflection point is reached I hope for the Russian's sake that he is level-headed enough to recognize it.  I personally can think of few people I would believe more likely to be able to do so based on what I can see of his actions and rhetoric.

[paxmao]

And we have the first ATACAMS hit on an ammo depot in Ruzzia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpNNFbWFQ34

It does not look like interceptions to me...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AfaowKcZQw4

Crazy this war has been going for almost 3 years already. I didn't think Russia would keep it up for so long, as they apparently can't achieve any kind of a victory. Or at least enough of one for Putin to hang his hat on. The upside is nobody cares any more (unless you are Russian or Ukrainian). Certainly the markets don't care. This is a good thing.

I care because this event is having a massive impact on the shape of global power, and thus, the world, going forward.

In most people's pea-brains, Putin want's a giant bag of Nazi to try to manage.  That is stupid beyond belief, especially since he never expressed such a desire, and the Russian activities have not suggested it in the slightest.  Yet.

What Russia is obtaining is:

 - Safety for the majority Russian-speaking populations of Ukraine which the Zio-nazis who took power in the 2014 color revolution made no bones about wishing to exterminate.  Unsurprisingly these people _voted_ heavily to join the Russian Federation.

 - A big chunk of some of the most resource-rich lands of 'recent' Ukraine back under Russian control.

 - A very degraded Ukrainian military which poses very diminished security concerns for Russia.  Plus carte-blanche to destroy anything new which shows up from the West.

 - Notable 'de-nazification' of the Ukrainian population (which is also about half the size that it was 3 years ago in full numbers.)

 - Rapid improvement of it's already formidable selection of weapons and techniques and an unmatched R&D environment in which to work.  The demonstration of superiority over pretty much everything NATO can supply to Ukraine is a huge selling point so all nations who are serious about defense (and offense) will be lining up around the block to stock up.

 - Massive increases in industrial manufacturing potential due to the war effort which can be re-tooled when things are over.

 - A terminal blow to the myth of Western military dominance which in turn is collapsing the USD.  Various factors are accelerating development of BRICS as a necessary replacement.

 - An expanding and tightening group of allies world-wide.

Time only improves the situation on almost all of these fronts for Russian.  The longer Russia can slow-walk things, the more every one of the above list will improve for them.  And the closer the 'Western Democracies' will be to total collapse as they lose material, morality, and flounder about in disorganized morass of fair-weather friends ready to stab one another in the back.

As best I can tell, all of these fortunes more or less fell into Putin's lap as opposed to being some sort of a brilliant plan.  Nobody could have predicted how jaw-droppingly stupid his adversaries could have been.  For this reason and other's, I continue to wonder if he really does have some 'deep assets' planted in the Western decision making centers (esp., in 'neocon' circles who have set the table for where we are now.)

All the above said, Russia cannot hold out forever as they have people dying as well, and need to cater to domestic pressures.  At some point time will not be on Russia's side.  If Putin is still around when this inflection point is reached I hope for the Russian's sake that he is level-headed enough to recognize it.  I personally can think of few people I would believe more likely to be able to do so based on what I can see of his actions and rhetoric.

Interesting theory... so Ruzzia has diminished greatly the huge risk of having the Ukrainian army nearby? Please, re-read what you have written or put some emojis if you intended it as a joke.

In fact, if peace is reached, there is a good chance that Ukraine will be armed to the teeth. Or maybe the US decides to give just enough, so that Ruzzia goes on a brilliant plan again and looses even more equipment like is happening now. Or does anyone have any doubt that Ruzzia would have been stopped if the US had decided that was what they wanted?

Let me tell you my view of what Ruzzia has achieved:

- A 21% interest rate.
- An 8% inflation.
- Thousands of military equipment objects destroyed.
- Having to call North Korea to supply shells and soldiers.
- Getting Putin declared war criminal, an effective travel ban.
- Selling oil at a discount to anyone else.

And do not try to rationalize it, the plan was Kiev in 3 days, now is Kursk in 3 years. You are going to need a lot of lying to yourself to get out of this one.

[herzen888]

A major attack by the Russian occupiers on Ukraine is expected today.

[paxmao]

A major attack by the Russian occupiers on Ukraine is expected today.

You are late by two days.

[BADecker]

Russian inflation and other economic problems are small when compared with what is happening in the West, and has been happening there for a long time, now. But the biggest advantage Russia has is its sophisticated defense system, which protected Russia from by far the largest part of the recent US ATACMS attack by Ukraine.

The below article is extremely eyeopening.


Is This The Secret Reason Why Long-Range Missiles Have Been Fired Deep Into Russian Territory?


http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/is-this-the-secret-reason-why-long-range-missiles-have-been-fired-deep-into-russian-territory/
When it comes to the world of geopolitics, there is always far more going on than meets the eye.  The long-range missiles that Ukraine is now firing deep into Russian territory are not going to change the course of the war.  But the Russian response to those long-range missiles might.  Hopefully the Russians will show restraint, because they may not even realize that they are being led into a trap.

Just two days after Joe Biden gave the green light, Ukraine fired six ATACMS missiles deep into Russian territory on Tuesday…

Ukraine hit a Russian weapons arsenal with US-made ATACMS missiles that it fired across the border for the first time, according to two US officials, in a major escalation on the 1,000th day of war.

The attack comes just two days after the Biden administration gave Kyiv the green light to use the longer-range American weapons against targets inside Russia.

...

[paxmao]

[...]

Just two days after Joe Biden gave the green light, Ukraine fired six ATACMS missiles deep into Russian territory on Tuesday…


Ukraine hit a Russian weapons arsenal with US-made ATACMS missiles that it fired across the border for the first time, according to two US officials, in a major escalation on the 1,000th day of war.
[...]

There is no escalation. Ukraine was hitting oil facilities, weapons depots, airfields and anything else that they could to prevent Ruzzia from killing Ukrainians, freezing their cities and committing further war crimes. The fact that they are using weapon 1, 2 or 3 does not escalate anything.

I am still absolutely amazed at the narrative by which Ruzzia can celebrate a barrage of khinzals, saheds and all other variety of long range weapons, many of them provided by other nations, that they have employed since the beginning of the war and somehow if Ukraine responds in kind it is "escalation".

There is no escalation, there is just a weapon that will make things harder for Ruzzia and make their aviation much more vulnerable and will waste the flight hours of their airframes faster. Again, if Ruzzia does not like it, they can go back to their original borders.

BTW, Ukraine has shown a great level of restrain in hitting just an ammo depot. I would have gone for the oil exporting terminals, the problem of expensive oil would be Trump's anyway and he is so "shhmaaart" that would solve it in "48 minutes".

[BADecker]

[...]

Just two days after Joe Biden gave the green light, Ukraine fired six ATACMS missiles deep into Russian territory on Tuesday…


Ukraine hit a Russian weapons arsenal with US-made ATACMS missiles that it fired across the border for the first time, according to two US officials, in a major escalation on the 1,000th day of war.
[...]

There is no escalation. Ukraine was hitting oil facilities, weapons depots, airfields and anything else that they could to prevent Ruzzia from killing Ukrainians, freezing their cities and committing further war crimes. The fact that they are using weapon 1, 2 or 3 does not escalate anything.

I am still absolutely amazed at the narrative by which Ruzzia can celebrate a barrage of khinzals, saheds and all other variety of long range weapons, many of them provided by other nations, that they have employed since the beginning of the war and somehow if Ukraine responds in kind it is "escalation".

There is no escalation, there is just a weapon that will make things harder for Ruzzia and make their aviation much more vulnerable and will waste the flight hours of their airframes faster. Again, if Ruzzia does not like it, they can go back to their original borders.

BTW, Ukraine has shown a great level of restrain in hitting just an ammo depot. I would have gone for the oil exporting terminals, the problem of expensive oil would be Trump's anyway and he is so "shhmaaart" that would solve it in "48 minutes".

Just be happy that peaceful-Putin is running Russia. Millions of Russians want Stalin back, because he got things done. Russia would have taken back the rest of its lands from Ukraine long ago if Stalin were still there. And the more that Ukraine attacks into Russia, the more Russians want Stalin back.

If you are smart, you will pray that nothing happens to Putin. Because if something does, Russia just might get Stalin back - Medvedev. If that happens, Ukraine might not last a day. And the UK won't last a week.

The US leaders are betting that Russia won't use nukes. But are they betting on what they will do if Putin does?

[Hispo]

At this point I think putin is mostly hot air when comes to the possibility of using nuclear weaponry against Ukraine, to be honest. If he does it would only be a sign of his despair to continue to hold onto power, as he is getting humiliated by each year that passes by and has not been able to take over Ukraine as he expected.
As it stands today, Russia is hoping for Trump to pressure Ukraine to give up and stop the war.

the established power in Russia needs to continuously give this image of having a strong and invincible leader to the rest of the world, specially the west, not winning the war against Ukraine would put the strength of Russia and Putin in question.
The relatively recent visit Putin had in North Korea was a sign of weakness, as well.

Whatever... Using long range missils to attack military bases and ammo deposits in Russia sounds rather fair play to me, keeping in mind the crises against humanity Russia has committed in Ukraine and against civilians.

[nutildah]

The weird thing (other than the war affects your life in no tangible way, whatsoever) is that you didn't actually articulate a single original opinion in your post. Its just a mishmash of b.s. from propaganda sources that already resonated with your brain. You're basically a human zombie tentacle of a Russian propaganda botnet. You believe you have free will and your own opinions, but your words suggest otherwise.