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Question: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season Winner?
Real Madrid - 49 (33.3%)
Barcelona - 13 (8.8%)
Manchester City - 51 (34.7%)
Chelsea - 6 (4.1%)
Liverpool - 4 (2.7%)
Paris Saint-Germain - 9 (6.1%)
AC Milan - 2 (1.4%)
Other - 13 (8.8%)
Total Voters: 147

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January 14, 2023, 03:32:22 PM
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Mbappe is still very young, and he has the potential to get even better before the peak of his career is overshadowed by his advancing age. He is only 24 years old and at least he has 10 years left to achieve anything in his career.
I envision him surpassing that age at the peak of his career. I don't normally rate the guy as highly as other great young players since I don’t watch him play most times, but after his outstanding performance in the World Cup finals, I believe he has the potential to become the next world best like Messi and Ronaldo. The guy is fit and physically in form now, every team will love to have him play for them.

His great potentials and good game play can only be accolades with trophies though, if he doesn’t win much in his current club, changing to a new club to win trophies will be better for him. We’re tired of the Messi-Ronaldo era of football, let the upcoming young ones take up the challenge now.
That is what everyone is thinking about. In fact, Mbappe and Haaland could become the next Messi and Ronaldo debate for the next decade. They are called "Ronaldo and Messi of gen z" basically, not because of their age, but because of their fans age. I agree that it's not going to be a simple thing to follow such greats and it would require them to stay healthy for a long time, but I think it is possible.

Mbappe already scored so many goals, and Haaland did as well, there is a chance they could get close to beating Ronaldo and Messi on goal scoring and even if they don't, they will be all top four by the end of their careers, which is very good.
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January 14, 2023, 03:34:12 PM
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It looks like Manchester City for this season only have targets for the Premiere League and the Champions League, considering that Manchester City's previous match in the EFL Cup match did not play its key players until they were eliminated in the event. It looks like Manchester City will only focus on the two highest tournaments, so for this match in the Champions League, of course Manchester City has better preparation and of course has more priority.

Because after all, Leipzig is also not a weak team, so it's only natural that Manchester City must have even better preparations. Because if we consider that Manchester City's performance at this moment is also not entirely good, but hopefully with a great squad and getting good rest and recovery it will give a good final result for Manchester City in the Champions League.

This is the right strategy, because it is very difficult to win in all tournaments, so you need to set priorities and, of course, Guardiola will focus on the most prestigious tournaments. In the Premier League, so far, the prospects are not very good, Arsenal are confidently leading, gradually increasing the lead. And if City lose points again today against Manchester United, it will almost certainly mean that they will not be able to win the Premier League. Leipzig will not be a difficult opponent for City in the Champions League.

At least, the Premier League still leaves 21 one match remaining. even though Manchester City lost to Manchester United, the Premier League competition is still fairly competitive, it's even possible that Arsenal could slip in the middle of the road. I think Pep Goardiola will still prioritize chasing their point difference, from the Premier League leaders. because after all, the match in the last 16 of the Champions League, is not a big obstacle for a team like Manchester City to overthrow their opponent in two legs of the match.

After all, Leipzig is not too strong an opponent for a team of The Citizen's level. On the Leipzig side, I don't know about Nkunku, who incidentally is still reportedly injured. at least however, there is a gap between the two teams that meet in the round of 16 later. I am optimistic that City will be able to overthrow Leipzig, either at home or away.

IMO, what you've been waiting for are PSG vs Bayern, Liverpool vs Madrid.

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January 14, 2023, 03:38:54 PM
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It looks like Manchester City for this season only have targets for the Premiere League and the Champions League, considering that Manchester City's previous match in the EFL Cup match did not play its key players until they were eliminated in the event. It looks like Manchester City will only focus on the two highest tournaments, so for this match in the Champions League, of course Manchester City has better preparation and of course has more priority.

Because after all, Leipzig is also not a weak team, so it's only natural that Manchester City must have even better preparations. Because if we consider that Manchester City's performance at this moment is also not entirely good, but hopefully with a great squad and getting good rest and recovery it will give a good final result for Manchester City in the Champions League.

This is the right strategy, because it is very difficult to win in all tournaments, so you need to set priorities and, of course, Guardiola will focus on the most prestigious tournaments. In the Premier League, so far, the prospects are not very good, Arsenal are confidently leading, gradually increasing the lead. And if City lose points again today against Manchester United, it will almost certainly mean that they will not be able to win the Premier League. Leipzig will not be a difficult opponent for City in the Champions League.

The Premier League is always a very uncertain and difficult competition until the very end, and even if Manchester City loses to Manchester United, it would be too early to declare the champions.
This is actually a big handicap for all English clubs in European competitions, because their players have much more difficult and tiring matches than, for example, Bayern, Real or Barcelona players.
Manchester City does not have the luxury of being able to rest its players during the season, like some other clubs, and maybe this is the reason why they fail to achieve the desired results and finally win the Champions League at the end of the season.
Of course, the Champions League is the strongest competition in the world, and for the final victory you need a bit of luck as well as mental strength and self-confidence.

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January 14, 2023, 03:43:22 PM
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Pep Guardiola have to show his capacity about best manager for giving Manchester City with UEFA Champion League tittle, he was success get twice Champion League trophy with Barcelona but almost ten years during his career with Bayern Munich and Manchester City totally failed although support with much money active in window transfer.

Can't count with how much money spent by Pep Guardiola with Manchester City last several years, but great achievement lead to final stage at last two season but defeated by Chelsea at final. I don't expected with Pep Guardiola have good memorize in Champion League and Manchester City still meme team without any Champion League tittle in their cupboard collection.
I agree Guardiola still has something to prove which is lifting the Champions league with Manchester City. I think this also the ambitions of the club that is the main reason why they spend so much money signing players and trying to build the team to be able to compete and win the trophy. Pep Guardiola has spent so much and still haven't won the champions league for Manchester city. It’s a shame that the UCL has eluded him for this long.

Chelsea and Real Madrid mightn't have spent as big as PSG did but they have spend millions of dollars too. The only different was that while PSG were wasting money on already popular players that have gone passed their prime, Chelsea and Real Madrid were harvesting talents with their money. Take a look at Chelsea winning season, they got the likes of Timo Werner, Pulisic, Kai havertz  etc all coming in with big money signing. Even before Liverpool could win the champions league they had to spend to rebuild their team.

Football today has to do with money, some teams spend more than others while recording fewer success but sometimes you can't blame them because they're a money club and teams will like to take advantage of them by demanding big when they pick interest in their players. We can't compared the influence of PSG coming for your player with any other smaller clubs in the champion league. Checkout the recent Chelsea signings, all in the name to try to get something moving this season and winning the champions league could be one of those reasons.
You are absolutely right. All three clubs have been spending lots of money acquiring players in recent seasons but there’s a difference in Real Madrid's signings, they are concentrating on fresh and young talents who will change the game and strengthen the team on arrival while Chelsea and PSG concentrated of already made and famous players that most of them don’t really meet up the expectation when they come into the club. I think that is the problem Chelsea ar facing at the moment.

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January 14, 2023, 04:43:03 PM
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You are absolutely right. All three clubs have been spending lots of money acquiring players in recent seasons but there’s a difference in Real Madrid's signings, they are concentrating on fresh and young talents who will change the game and strengthen the team on arrival while Chelsea and PSG concentrated of already made and famous players that most of them don’t really meet up the expectation when they come into the club. I think that is the problem Chelsea are facing at the moment.

Chelsea issue is quite more than just signing players that underperform while been high profiled and cost alot of money. One of Chelsea's biggest problem is the sacking of managers prematurely. This kind of habits messes with other managers coming to takeover the job. I bet you that Graham Potter might have been affected by this already and it's messing up with his head.

If Chelsea can learn to give their managers time then they can always work with the talent that they're signing because for a fact, Chelsea are known for signing talented players but the managers haven't been finding it easy to make use of them effectively mainly because of this lack of time to develop with this players.

With Chelsea, new Managers keep inheriting squads that they didn't buy or train and it becomes difficult to work with this players. Isn't it funny that within the last 5 - 6years or so that Chelsea has appointed about four different coaches. From Sarri to Lampard to Thomas Tuchel and now Graham Potter. The uncertainty of mangers at Chelsea is making the club not to have an identity and players underperform.

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January 14, 2023, 05:06:06 PM
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Barcelona and Bayern Munchen won 6 titles in one season if I'm not mistaken, but for the Man City situation, the EPL looks much harder than other leagues, so I agree that they can't compete in all tournament, although Man City has many high quality substitutions.
EPL needs to be consistent. Once you will be losing point and you need a luck to help you. I think that the condition of city in the EPL doesn't look good right now. It can be seen from the latest match as MU has beaten city.
The main squad of city was also become very inconsistent at this moment. People aware about that. That's why so many critics were also coming for haaland after the match against MU.The quality of those players were different with starting line up of city. You will never find a player that can substitute haaland in city. That means there shall be more improvements to happen with city. City's defenders were so weak right now compared with another team like arsenal.

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January 14, 2023, 05:22:42 PM
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Mbappe is still very young, and he has the potential to get even better before the peak of his career is overshadowed by his advancing age. He is only 24 years old and at least he has 10 years left to achieve anything in his career.

I envision him surpassing that age at the peak of his career. I don't normally rate the guy as highly as other great young players since I don’t watch him play most times, but after his outstanding performance in the World Cup finals, I believe he has the potential to become the next world best like Messi and Ronaldo. The guy is fit and physically in form now, every team will love to have him play for them.

His great potentials and good game play can only be accolades with trophies though, if he doesn’t win much in his current club, changing to a new club to win trophies will be better for him. We’re tired of the Messi-Ronaldo era of football, let the upcoming young ones take up the challenge now.
He needs a league that is even more challenging, and the Premier League or La Liga are good options for him, apart from that it can improve his mentality as a player, the competitiveness of the league will help him find more experience that will be useful in the future. His being at Paris Saint Germain I don't think is very good for his development, because in Ligue 1 the competition is not so visible, and when it's easy for him to score goals there it doesn't become extraordinary for me. He must be able to get out of the comfort zone that Paris Saint Germain has given him.

Regarding Mbappé, it is something that has a lot of discussion, yes, he is young, but he has to start working now for his own professional good, the way in which he has made decisions, has become known through his actions in the PSG is not a very good thing, yes, in 10 years they could have achieved all their stardom, but be careful, they have a Haaland who makes a lot of noise, has a very rude playing style and they are praising him too much, I would be really careful I see Mbappé a bit far from getting the ballon d'or, I think everything will start to be decided at the moment if PSG and City go further in the UCL, I think everything will start from there.

Messi, Mbappe make FIFA’s Best Award nominees

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Messi, who has won the prize once before, captained Argentina to victory in Qatar, a career-defining triumph that has boosted his chances of winning an eighth Ballon d´Or but may also make him favourite for this prize.

As well as Mbappe, who netted a hat-trick in the World Cup final, another two Paris Saint-Germain players are nominated in Neymar and Achraf Hakimi.

Source: https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/1030459-messi-mbappe-make-fifa-s-best-award-nominees

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January 14, 2023, 05:24:52 PM
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Yes, I even underestimated Club Brugge to qualify for the round of 16 and now the opponent is Benfica, which is one of the strongest teams in Europe. It is likely that this match will be quite even for the two teams and the percentage for who will qualify seems to me to choose Benfica. But if Club Brugge manages to beat Benfica I will be happy too. Wink
Hmmmm if we are comparing both and brugge was nothing for benfica. Brugge was lucky enough to be qualified for the next round but when it comes to the play off and it will be facing benfica as a strong team. Benfica has been getting perfect season this year as it's always winning the match. Brugge is not match for benfica. I think that brugge may be beaten with huge scores by brugge. Brugge has a chance to win against benfica but it's really small. Brugge will be so difficult to be qualified for the next round.
Nobody believes Club Brugge can prove they deserve to be in this round. Yes, the doubt arose because they were considered to have qualified due to luck and at the same time the team that was the favorite in the group turned out to be disappointing so they were eliminated early. Benfica could take a deep breath after knowing that their opponent was Club Brugge, it was a big chance for them to be in the quarter-finals this season.

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Bruges is one of the weakest remaining teams in the CL. But they did become group winners. Their group was also not very strong, it must be said. This round could be the final destination, but they certainly don't stand a chance. Real Madrid seem to have more and more chance to continue easily against Liverpool. That team is really doing very poorly and the CL matches that start in a few weeks already. Liverpool were seen as one of the big favorites at the start of the season, but at the moment they don't stand a chance. And last year they were also losing finalists. This could prove to be a dramatic year for Liverpool in all competitions and also remain without trophies.

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January 14, 2023, 05:41:09 PM
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I would like to know if Mbappe can carry this thirst for achievement through his entire career and become as great as Ronaldo and other great athletes who have been at the top level not for 4-5 years but for a couple of decades.
Of course he wants to reach something higher, but I don't think he can reach the same level as Messi and Ronaldo. But somehow I'm too shaky to call Messi better than any other athlete in the world in terms of individual achievements and everything. LOL

Mbappe is still very young, and he has the potential to get even better before the peak of his career is overshadowed by his advancing age. He is only 24 years old and at least he has 10 years left to achieve anything in his career.

Of course I didn't mean Messi, lol. And I'm not saying that Ronaldo is the greatest athlete among all sports in general (such statements cannot be correct), but he is undoubtedly one of the greatest.
And I see only one reason that can prevent Mbappe from reaching the degree of dominance as in the era of Ronaldo against Messi, and that is Haaland. But Haaland's problem is that at national level he will always be deep behind Mbappe (who already has World Cup gold and silver). But at the club level, Haaland is now ahead - he is already in the strongest league, while Mbappe is still in the farm league.

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January 14, 2023, 08:20:48 PM
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Things are going worse for Liverpool day by day. They lost to Brighton by 3-0 today and their performance was just horrible. Of course there are some injured players now. There are players like Firmino and Diaz also among them. But even when at least one of them wasn't injured the team were still not performing at a very satisfying level. The World Cup break didn't help Liverpool even a bit as it seems. Klopp seems like he doesn't have much option in his hands these days.

They haven't made a midfielder transfer which is another problem. It is difficult for them to bring a top midfielder in the middle of the season though. In addition to all of these, van Dijk is also injured now. The situation has become a nightmare for Liverpool and I don't know how much they will be able to motivate themselves for the Champions League while there is only a month left. Let's see if they will surprise us here.

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January 14, 2023, 09:19:23 PM
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I would like to know if Mbappe can carry this thirst for achievement through his entire career and become as great as Ronaldo and other great athletes who have been at the top level not for 4-5 years but for a couple of decades.
Of course he wants to reach something higher, but I don't think he can reach the same level as Messi and Ronaldo. But somehow I'm too shaky to call Messi better than any other athlete in the world in terms of individual achievements and everything. LOL

Mbappe is still very young, and he has the potential to get even better before the peak of his career is overshadowed by his advancing age. He is only 24 years old and at least he has 10 years left to achieve anything in his career.

Of course I didn't mean Messi, lol. And I'm not saying that Ronaldo is the greatest athlete among all sports in general (such statements cannot be correct), but he is undoubtedly one of the greatest.
And I see only one reason that can prevent Mbappe from reaching the degree of dominance as in the era of Ronaldo against Messi, and that is Haaland. But Haaland's problem is that at national level he will always be deep behind Mbappe (who already has World Cup gold and silver). But at the club level, Haaland is now ahead - he is already in the strongest league, while Mbappe is still in the farm league.
But Ronaldo took a great decision by moving to the ALNassar - it brought a wave of joy and happiness to all the Arab and muslim fans. Now they believe Ronaldo is theirs. ROnaldo has always supported humanity and her always supported peace. That is why he is loved and admired by many fans.

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January 14, 2023, 10:02:06 PM
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I would like to know if Mbappe can carry this thirst for achievement through his entire career and become as great as Ronaldo and other great athletes who have been at the top level not for 4-5 years but for a couple of decades.
Of course he wants to reach something higher, but I don't think he can reach the same level as Messi and Ronaldo. But somehow I'm too shaky to call Messi better than any other athlete in the world in terms of individual achievements and everything. LOL

Mbappe is still very young, and he has the potential to get even better before the peak of his career is overshadowed by his advancing age. He is only 24 years old and at least he has 10 years left to achieve anything in his career.

Of course I didn't mean Messi, lol. And I'm not saying that Ronaldo is the greatest athlete among all sports in general (such statements cannot be correct), but he is undoubtedly one of the greatest.
And I see only one reason that can prevent Mbappe from reaching the degree of dominance as in the era of Ronaldo against Messi, and that is Haaland. But Haaland's problem is that at national level he will always be deep behind Mbappe (who already has World Cup gold and silver). But at the club level, Haaland is now ahead - he is already in the strongest league, while Mbappe is still in the farm league.
But Ronaldo took a great decision by moving to the ALNassar - it brought a wave of joy and happiness to all the Arab and muslim fans. Now they believe Ronaldo is theirs. ROnaldo has always supported humanity and her always supported peace. That is why he is loved and admired by many fans.
Yes he made a good decision and the Saudi Arabia people are happy for making their club to become more popular . But I'm very sure Ronaldo miss playing for Europe and he would love to play for Europe before he get retired from football.

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January 14, 2023, 11:03:59 PM
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The conflict with Neymar has already been settled, I would rather be afraid that Mbappe harbored a grudge against Messi (as someone who did not condemn the antics of the crazy goalkeeper of the Argentina national team towards Mbappe). While Mbappe seems rational enough to just ignore it all, his ambitions are much higher than these petty squabbles.
As for the chances of PSG against Bayern, they are probably not great, as it will be a typical game of team of stars against a star team.
At least in this case he is more mature because now he is more stable in his emotions and is not as explosive as before when he had problems with his teammates.
This is a very good thing indeed because regardless of anything professional and ambition for him in the future is far more important than having to keep conflict for a long time.

It is clear that despite the fact that Mbappe became a world champion at a young age, and he already has many personal achievements, he has retained gigantic ambitions. This allows him to overlook small things, but I am sure that the same ambition will serve as a huge fuel for conflict if it is not about small things, but about Mbappe's path to his goals.
I would like to know if Mbappe can carry this thirst for achievement through his entire career and become as great as Ronaldo and other great athletes who have been at the top level not for 4-5 years but for a couple of decades.
Mbappe is one of the hottest prospects in the world of football now, his talent and outstanding records speak of him and as we know when you take on the spotlight you attract so much attention as well as trolls waiting at every mistakes to criticize you and bring you down. I hope he doesn't feel too important because he has Haaland as a competition. Mbappe has a lot he can achieve in the long run and I will only advice to stay focused and humble.
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Of course I didn't mean Messi, lol. And I'm not saying that Ronaldo is the greatest athlete among all sports in general (such statements cannot be correct), but he is undoubtedly one of the greatest.
And I see only one reason that can prevent Mbappe from reaching the degree of dominance as in the era of Ronaldo against Messi, and that is Haaland. But Haaland's problem is that at national level he will always be deep behind Mbappe (who already has World Cup gold and silver). But at the club level, Haaland is now ahead - he is already in the strongest league, while Mbappe is still in the farm league.
Well, in this case, it will be a little complicated because there are indeed the same number of Ronaldo and Messi supporter bases, but on the other hand, saying that you are the best player is not wrong, and I also agree with what you said about Ronaldo.
As for Haaland, it's a little difficult like for the country because the comparison is quite far but at the club level he is actually the one who is better now compared to Mbapee in terms of competition because as you said Ligue 1 is just a farm league and that won't change any facts.

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January 14, 2023, 11:28:59 PM
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Things are going worse for Liverpool day by day. They lost to Brighton by 3-0 today and their performance was just horrible. Of course there are some injured players now. There are players like Firmino and Diaz also among them. But even when at least one of them wasn't injured the team were still not performing at a very satisfying level. The World Cup break didn't help Liverpool even a bit as it seems. Klopp seems like he doesn't have much option in his hands these days.

They haven't made a midfielder transfer which is another problem. It is difficult for them to bring a top midfielder in the middle of the season though. In addition to all of these, van Dijk is also injured now. The situation has become a nightmare for Liverpool and I don't know how much they will be able to motivate themselves for the Champions League while there is only a month left. Let's see if they will surprise us here.

I agree on it.

As I also said before Liverpool's future is really ambiguous. They have a very inconsistent effort in the English Premier League. The injuries are just making things even more difficult for them indeed. Liverpool are seven points away from top 4 already now and this might push them to focus on the Champions League more maybe. Because if they can't catch up with top 4 then the Champions League title is going to be their only option to join the tournament again. However this bad form would affect their Champions League effort as well I assume.

 
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Things are going worse for Liverpool day by day. They lost to Brighton by 3-0 today and their performance was just horrible. Of course there are some injured players now. There are players like Firmino and Diaz also among them. But even when at least one of them wasn't injured the team were still not performing at a very satisfying level. The World Cup break didn't help Liverpool even a bit as it seems. Klopp seems like he doesn't have much option in his hands these days.

They haven't made a midfielder transfer which is another problem. It is difficult for them to bring a top midfielder in the middle of the season though. In addition to all of these, van Dijk is also injured now. The situation has become a nightmare for Liverpool and I don't know how much they will be able to motivate themselves for the Champions League while there is only a month left. Let's see if they will surprise us here.
I think that people shall know that if it's the hype transfer like gakpo will always be successful. Sometimes it can also become unsuccessful transfer. Brighton was an easy team but the problem is liverpool has even worst performance compared with brighton. That's why i pick madrid in the champion league rather than liverpool. Just caused liverpool got gakpo and it doesn't mean if it was changing the situation. I meant the latest result against brighton has been showing us about how good or bad gakpo in liverpool. Bookies must be changing its mind by favoring madrid rather than liverpool. Im all in on madrid. Madrid is far stronger compared with liverpool if it keeps struggling like that.

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January 15, 2023, 12:26:41 AM
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Things are going worse for Liverpool day by day. They lost to Brighton by 3-0 today and their performance was just horrible. Of course there are some injured players now. There are players like Firmino and Diaz also among them. But even when at least one of them wasn't injured the team were still not performing at a very satisfying level. The World Cup break didn't help Liverpool even a bit as it seems. Klopp seems like he doesn't have much option in his hands these days.

They haven't made a midfielder transfer which is another problem. It is difficult for them to bring a top midfielder in the middle of the season though. In addition to all of these, van Dijk is also injured now. The situation has become a nightmare for Liverpool and I don't know how much they will be able to motivate themselves for the Champions League while there is only a month left. Let's see if they will surprise us here.
I think that people shall know that if it's the hype transfer like gakpo will always be successful. Sometimes it can also become unsuccessful transfer. Brighton was an easy team but the problem is liverpool has even worst performance compared with brighton. That's why i pick madrid in the champion league rather than liverpool. Just caused liverpool got gakpo and it doesn't mean if it was changing the situation. I meant the latest result against brighton has been showing us about how good or bad gakpo in liverpool. Bookies must be changing its mind by favoring madrid rather than liverpool. Im all in on madrid. Madrid is far stronger compared with liverpool if it keeps struggling like that.

Real Madrid continues to be seen as the favorite against Liverpool.  Troubled matches are played for Liverpool in the league.  They get the results they don't want.  Real Madrid, on the other hand, are better overall in the league and are under the impression of the team closer to qualifying in the UCL.  In my opinion, the Real Madrid option seems wiser as a bet.

 
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January 15, 2023, 03:21:43 AM
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Real Madrid continues to be seen as the favorite against Liverpool.  Troubled matches are played for Liverpool in the league.  They get the results they don't want.  Real Madrid, on the other hand, are better overall in the league and are under the impression of the team closer to qualifying in the UCL.  In my opinion, the Real Madrid option seems wiser as a bet.
I am sure that Liverpool players have more pressure and psychological barriers when they have to play with Real Madrid again. After many bad results when played with Real Madrid in the last five seasons, it is not easy for Liverpool players to start matches with empty mind. They likely are obsessed with past defeats which can impact their performance in upcoming two matches.

In addition, Liverpool have worse form in this season compares to Real Madrid and it will make them a weaker team in their matches. Anyway, they can fight and decide their destiny and if Villareal can beat Real Madrid, Liverpool can do it as well.

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January 15, 2023, 04:25:41 AM
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Of course I didn't mean Messi, lol. And I'm not saying that Ronaldo is the greatest athlete among all sports in general (such statements cannot be correct), but he is undoubtedly one of the greatest.
And I see only one reason that can prevent Mbappe from reaching the degree of dominance as in the era of Ronaldo against Messi, and that is Haaland. But Haaland's problem is that at national level he will always be deep behind Mbappe (who already has World Cup gold and silver). But at the club level, Haaland is now ahead - he is already in the strongest league, while Mbappe is still in the farm league.
Well, in this case, it will be a little complicated because there are indeed the same number of Ronaldo and Messi supporter bases, but on the other hand, saying that you are the best player is not wrong, and I also agree with what you said about Ronaldo.
As for Haaland, it's a little difficult like for the country because the comparison is quite far but at the club level he is actually the one who is better now compared to Mbapee in terms of competition because as you said Ligue 1 is just a farm league and that won't change any facts.
I think that haaland is still under mbappe. So, what already achieved by haaland? I meant we shall take a look at the fact that if mbappe has been winning so many titles include the most difficult title to be won world cup while haaland have less titles compared with mbappe.
Mbappe has been showing its performance by carrying its country to the final but that's sad to say that mbappe was not able beating barcelona and failed to made its country back to back world cup champion.
I think that's clear that if mbappe is far better compared with haaland. Just because haaland was top scorer in EPL and it doesn't make him better than mbappe

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