[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight (july15,2023

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Here's the comparison of the two boxers, 40 years old vs 27 years old, huge age gap.

https://box.live/fights/donaire-vs-santiago/

Statistically wise, Donaire has all the advantages over Santiago.

Some of these are height advantage, reach advantage, better KO percentage, much faster, much quicker, having a strong punch, good at counter-attack, versatile, agile, better footwork, and what else, much good looking, just kidding.

Santiago should not be a problem for a 40-year-old Donaire since Moloney, the supposed original match is even considered much tougher than Santiago.

The records of Donaire is already a stand out as a bantamweight, and then those advantage that you also mentioned.

But we shouldn't be overconfident that Santiago is not going to be a problem for Nonito, in boxing all is needed is that one punch to change the tide of the game. So Donaire will still need to be very careful, so that as fans of him, we will be happy to see him winning another belt. Of course Moloney is much tougher but they don't want to pursue Nonito for many reasons and so chooses a very easy route to another belt in this weight class.

[lionheart78]

Given that the fight's outcome was close and Donaire was defeated, they should make the rematch on this very same year as every time goes

That's the big reason already for Donaire to retire if:

- the fight went close in favor of Santiago
- the fight went landslide in favor of Santiago

No need for rematch but rather hang the gloves. Santiago is not even on the contender list but was just given a chance for a title shot. Again, as I previously said, if Donaire can't keep up with Santiago, there's no way he can keep up now with those top-ranked boxers at 118.

I highly agree Donaire not winning over Santiago means his boxing career is over he might one over a less skilled boxer but as stated he will have a hard time winning against the elite boxer of the said weight category.

There is no need for a rematch for this fight if Donaire lose because Donaire will be much older  and Santiago will have a better experience by that time.

Here's the comparison of the two boxers, 40 years old vs 27 years old, huge age gap.

https://box.live/fights/donaire-vs-santiago/

Statistically wise, Donaire has all the advantages over Santiago.

Some of these are height advantage, reach advantage, better KO percentage, much faster, much quicker, having a strong punch, good at counter-attack, versatile, agile, better footwork, and what else, much good looking, just kidding.

Santiago should not be a problem for a 40-year-old Donaire since Moloney, the supposed original match is even considered much tougher than Santiago.

Statistics will be nothing if old age catches up on Donaire.  This is one major reason why legendary boxers even though have better statistics losses to the young ones.  And one of the reasons why Manny Pacquiao won against Oscar Dela Hoya.

[bisdak40]

Here's the comparison of the two boxers, 40 years old vs 27 years old, huge age gap.

https://box.live/fights/donaire-vs-santiago/

Statistically wise, Donaire has all the advantages over Santiago.

Some of these are height advantage, reach advantage, better KO percentage, much faster, much quicker, having a strong punch, good at counter-attack, versatile, agile, better footwork, and what else, much good looking, just kidding.

Santiago should not be a problem for a 40-year-old Donaire since Moloney, the supposed original match is even considered much tougher than Santiago.

The records of Donaire is already a stand out as a bantamweight, and then those advantage that you also mentioned.

But we shouldn't be overconfident that Santiago is not going to be a problem for Nonito, in boxing all is needed is that one punch to change the tide of the game. So Donaire will still need to be very careful, so that as fans of him, we will be happy to see him winning another belt. Of course Moloney is much tougher but they don't want to pursue Nonito for many reasons and so chooses a very easy route to another belt in this weight class.

True, no such thing as an easy fight in boxing especially if you are fighting unpopular boxing because you are not so familiar with his style but the thing with Donaire, he has this experience advantage over Santiago which I think should offset with the Filipino Flash's age disadvantage so this makes the whole fight even.

Donaire is very serious now with his training as he knows that fights on this stage of his career is tough and he is very discipline so this gives him a slight advantage over Santiago.

[Mahanton]

True, no such thing as an easy fight in boxing especially if you are fighting unpopular boxing because you are not so familiar with his style but the thing with Donaire, he has this experience advantage over Santiago which I think should offset with the Filipino Flash's age disadvantage so this makes the whole fight even.

Donaire is very serious now with his training as he knows that fights on this stage of his career is tough and he is very discipline so this gives him a slight advantage over Santiago.

If we do speak about Age then this is really a huge factor which would affect every athlete considering that we arent getting younger as the years passing by.Donaire do knows that or into those athletes
who are on such condition on which it is really that normal that they would really be trying out to suppress out that kind of risk via doing hard training which would be able to patch up
with that inevitable disadvantage but overall we do know that he does have that speed and good countering which it isnt really still rusted despite of having the age.
I could see that he could still pull off this fight.

[Silberman]

True, no such thing as an easy fight in boxing especially if you are fighting unpopular boxing because you are not so familiar with his style but the thing with Donaire, he has this experience advantage over Santiago which I think should offset with the Filipino Flash's age disadvantage so this makes the whole fight even.

Donaire is very serious now with his training as he knows that fights on this stage of his career is tough and he is very discipline so this gives him a slight advantage over Santiago.

If we do speak about Age then this is really a huge factor which would affect every athlete considering that we arent getting younger as the years passing by.Donaire do knows that or into those athletes
who are on such condition on which it is really that normal that they would really be trying out to suppress out that kind of risk via doing hard training which would be able to patch up
with that inevitable disadvantage but overall we do know that he does have that speed and good countering which it isnt really still rusted despite of having the age.
I could see that he could still pull off this fight.

Without a doubt Donaire still has a lot of potential within him, however the problem is not only his age but all the damage he has accumulated over his career, this is why we see that at the end of their careers legends end up losing against young boxers which are nowhere near their peak, as they cannot take damage as they were used to and their ability to recover diminishes, so while Donaire should be the favorite, doubts about his age will surely remain with him until the moment he decides to retire.

[danherbias07]

True, no such thing as an easy fight in boxing especially if you are fighting unpopular boxing because you are not so familiar with his style but the thing with Donaire, he has this experience advantage over Santiago which I think should offset with the Filipino Flash's age disadvantage so this makes the whole fight even.

Donaire is very serious now with his training as he knows that fights on this stage of his career is tough and he is very discipline so this gives him a slight advantage over Santiago.

If we do speak about Age then this is really a huge factor which would affect every athlete considering that we arent getting younger as the years passing by.Donaire do knows that or into those athletes
who are on such condition on which it is really that normal that they would really be trying out to suppress out that kind of risk via doing hard training which would be able to patch up
with that inevitable disadvantage but overall we do know that he does have that speed and good countering which it isnt really still rusted despite of having the age.
I could see that he could still pull off this fight.

I have the same thought as you. It's not like he is just sitting around while getting old. I bet he is still doing his basic training every day so that he will be ready when the right time comes. It is now, so all that hard work will be put to test.
He may have slowed down a bit but as we get older we have more power, his experience will also be a big advantage for him here. It's just the stamina that I think will be the issue here. If Santiago will try to wear him down first then it will depend on how well he will control the ring. Jabs will be really helpful as his long reach has the advantage at 174 cm against 166 cm of Santiago.

[Sanitough]

He may have slowed down a bit but as we get older we have more power, his experience will also be a big advantage for him here. It's just the stamina that I think will be the issue here. If Santiago will try to wear him down first then it will depend on how well he will control the ring. Jabs will be really helpful as his long reach has the advantage at 174 cm against 166 cm of Santiago.

True, he may have slowed down, but I don't mind. He isn't fighting Inoue, so he doesn't need lots of quickness. He will be fighting Santiago, who is not even a popular boxer, so I guess Donaire should have the edge in every angle. If we talk about him being old, that's another story, as we need to see if he performs like an old boxer in this coming match.

Donaire has the length and with great timing, that could be his biggest advantage.

[Botnake]

He may have slowed down a bit but as we get older we have more power, his experience will also be a big advantage for him here. It's just the stamina that I think will be the issue here. If Santiago will try to wear him down first then it will depend on how well he will control the ring. Jabs will be really helpful as his long reach has the advantage at 174 cm against 166 cm of Santiago.

True, he may have slowed down, but I don't mind. He isn't fighting Inoue, so he doesn't need lots of quickness. He will be fighting Santiago, who is not even a popular boxer, so I guess Donaire should have the edge in every angle. If we talk about him being old, that's another story, as we need to see if he performs like an old boxer in this coming match.

Donaire has the length and with great timing, that could be his biggest advantage.

We are biased sometimes, and since Donaire is from our country, we should support him. What we can do is bet on him. I'll be happy to bet a decent amount on this fight, as long as Donaire isn't a heavy favorite. I'm still concerned about the odds, but I'm confident that Donaire will become a champion again.

[stadus]

When it comes to experience, I would say that Donaire would definitely dominate the ring, age might caught up to him, but, he would still find a way to show Santiago that he definitely deserved that title. But, if Donaire would be defeated, there is a higher chance that that would be his last battle, I think.

If Donaire would not retire after he is defeated, I think that it would have a hard time getting the title back as his.

Yes, that scenario is very much possible, but if this is going to be a close one, and Donaire losses it, then maybe we can a rematch. But if the fight is not even close and Donaire getting into the canvass and didn't win in the judges scorecard or getting knockout again, it's time for him to retire.

Because if he didn't then it might take some time for him to bounce (if there is no rematch), and by that time, he will be 40+ years old. And no way he can still fight as he might be just the stepping stone for this young fighters and we don't want to see that happen to Donaire.

Given that the fight's outcome was close and Donaire was defeated, they should make the rematch on this very same year as every time goes by, we know that age can be a bigger factor to a boxer's performance especially now that Donaire is already 40 years of age. But if it's the latter where Donaire was defeated without a doubt, I bet that his wife, his personal manager would force him to retire even if Donaire still wanted to fight.

I don't expect a close fight on this one, and if Donaire loses, I don't think he will win the rematch, just like what happened against Inoue. Donaire is getting older, but he wants to prove that he can still win a championship. This is his first and only chance. If he loses, he may announce his retirement and enjoy life after boxing.

We can't be sure of that if it will be a close fight or not, that is why we're giving a scenario if ever the fight will be close to make a rematch happen and if that happens, they should activate it immediately because time is not on their side but if it's the other way around where it is so clear that Donaire has lost then there's no sense for Donaire and to his camp to pursue a rematch or even fight someone else because the outcome would be likely be the same.

[btc_angela]

He may have slowed down a bit but as we get older we have more power, his experience will also be a big advantage for him here. It's just the stamina that I think will be the issue here. If Santiago will try to wear him down first then it will depend on how well he will control the ring. Jabs will be really helpful as his long reach has the advantage at 174 cm against 166 cm of Santiago.

True, he may have slowed down, but I don't mind. He isn't fighting Inoue, so he doesn't need lots of quickness. He will be fighting Santiago, who is not even a popular boxer, so I guess Donaire should have the edge in every angle. If we talk about him being old, that's another story, as we need to see if he performs like an old boxer in this coming match.

Donaire has the length and with great timing, that could be his biggest advantage.

We are biased sometimes, and since Donaire is from our country, we should support him. What we can do is bet on him. I'll be happy to bet a decent amount on this fight, as long as Donaire isn't a heavy favorite. I'm still concerned about the odds, but I'm confident that Donaire will become a champion again.

I have check my fav sports bookies and so far there are no odds yet, although some in the lower weight class, we will have to wait until the odds are listed and most of the time is is very close to the date of the fight.

Hopefully since this is Donaire, we are very much happy to see if it is much earlier though. At least we can balance our budget and have an idea on how we are going to place our bets. So let's wait for it, maybe Donaire will really be the favorite here.

[harizen]

Statistics will be nothing if old age catches up on Donaire.  This is one major reason why legendary boxers even though have better statistics losses to the young ones.  And one of the reasons why Manny Pacquiao won against Oscar Dela Hoya.

We can say that is true but somehow it depends on "who's the boxer we are talking and referring to".

Pacquiao is in his prime and dominating every division he's stepping up prior to facing the post-prime Dela Hoya. We can say that age is a big deal here.

Another example is GGG vs Canelo III. Canelo is at the peak of his career when he fought GGG for 3rd time. GGG at that time is 40 years old. GGG loses but prior to that fight, also in the same year, GGG was able to defend his title against Ryota Murata.

In general, age can be a factor but it depends on the boxer's current status and capability.

Here in Donaire vs. Santiago, age might be a factor for Donaire but Santiago isn't on a level where Donaire can take him as a threat. Maybe I can apply that age factor and will have a big impact if the supposed bout against Jason Moloney happened instead.

[chaser15]

Statistics will be nothing if old age catches up on Donaire.  This is one major reason why legendary boxers even though have better statistics losses to the young ones.  And one of the reasons why Manny Pacquiao won against Oscar Dela Hoya.

But Alejandro Santiago can't be considered to have the same performance level that can be considered currently in super prime.

Nonito Donaire also remains active fighting in the year and that shouldn't give him a rusty performance.

Santiago also doesn't have impressive wins against boxers at the same level as his prime. Donaire just experienced the toughest challenge in his career when he faced Inoue at 40 years old. At the same age, Donaire can surely handle Santiago without a doubt.

[Quidat]

Statistics will be nothing if old age catches up on Donaire.  This is one major reason why legendary boxers even though have better statistics losses to the young ones.  And one of the reasons why Manny Pacquiao won against Oscar Dela Hoya.

But Alejandro Santiago can't be considered to have the same performance level that can be considered currently in super prime.

Nonito Donaire also remains active fighting in the year and that shouldn't give him a rusty performance.

Santiago also doesn't have impressive wins against boxers at the same level as his prime. Donaire just experienced the toughest challenge in his career when he faced Inoue at 40 years old. At the same age, Donaire can surely handle Santiago without a doubt.

Making up some comparison in between their past fight performance, prime to prime then we could really be able to determine on which one is better but Donaire is getting old now
but i do agree on those words that he wouldnt really be giving out that rusty performance.Just like the rest been saying that this might be an easy fight for Donaire
but he shouldnt really be making himself that confident because chances of upsets could really still happen.

[d3nz]

Statistics will be nothing if old age catches up on Donaire.  This is one major reason why legendary boxers even though have better statistics losses to the young ones.  And one of the reasons why Manny Pacquiao won against Oscar Dela Hoya.

But Alejandro Santiago can't be considered to have the same performance level that can be considered currently in super prime.

Nonito Donaire also remains active fighting in the year and that shouldn't give him a rusty performance.

Santiago also doesn't have impressive wins against boxers at the same level as his prime. Donaire just experienced the toughest challenge in his career when he faced Inoue at 40 years old. At the same age, Donaire can surely handle Santiago without a doubt.

Making up some comparison in between their past fight performance, prime to prime then we could really be able to determine on which one is better but Donaire is getting old now
but i do agree on those words that he wouldnt really be giving out that rusty performance.Just like the rest been saying that this might be an easy fight for Donaire
but he shouldnt really be making himself that confident because chances of upsets could really still happen.

I somewhat agree, showing confidence will turn around the game. If Donaire still can't win the upcoming fight then it might be time that needs to hang up the gloves. But, overall this fight could be also hard for Donaire since Santiago is much a power-puncher and hoping he could stand on it.

[danherbias07]

He may have slowed down a bit but as we get older we have more power, his experience will also be a big advantage for him here. It's just the stamina that I think will be the issue here. If Santiago will try to wear him down first then it will depend on how well he will control the ring. Jabs will be really helpful as his long reach has the advantage at 174 cm against 166 cm of Santiago.

True, he may have slowed down, but I don't mind. He isn't fighting Inoue, so he doesn't need lots of quickness. He will be fighting Santiago, who is not even a popular boxer, so I guess Donaire should have the edge in every angle. If we talk about him being old, that's another story, as we need to see if he performs like an old boxer in this coming match.

Donaire has the length and with great timing, that could be his biggest advantage.

We are biased sometimes, and since Donaire is from our country, we should support him. What we can do is bet on him. I'll be happy to bet a decent amount on this fight, as long as Donaire isn't a heavy favorite. I'm still concerned about the odds, but I'm confident that Donaire will become a champion again.

Yeah, of course it's a bit biased being a Filipino but there is also the reality that Donaire was once a champion and right now he is still eager to become one again. His biggest advantage will be his experience here. He knows how to read different boxers and I bet he will use that to gain the upper hand.

Concerned about the odds too. If this goes like 1.10-1.15 for Donaire then I might just pick a round on a KO or TKO in favor of Donaire.
I mean, he must also have a plan to end it as quickly as possible to avoid being in a position where he is gasping for breath when it takes longer. Because I feel like that will be the plan of Santiago's camp, get him exhausted and let old age kick in.

[Kemarit]

He may have slowed down a bit but as we get older we have more power, his experience will also be a big advantage for him here. It's just the stamina that I think will be the issue here. If Santiago will try to wear him down first then it will depend on how well he will control the ring. Jabs will be really helpful as his long reach has the advantage at 174 cm against 166 cm of Santiago.

True, he may have slowed down, but I don't mind. He isn't fighting Inoue, so he doesn't need lots of quickness. He will be fighting Santiago, who is not even a popular boxer, so I guess Donaire should have the edge in every angle. If we talk about him being old, that's another story, as we need to see if he performs like an old boxer in this coming match.

Donaire has the length and with great timing, that could be his biggest advantage.

We are biased sometimes, and since Donaire is from our country, we should support him. What we can do is bet on him. I'll be happy to bet a decent amount on this fight, as long as Donaire isn't a heavy favorite. I'm still concerned about the odds, but I'm confident that Donaire will become a champion again.

Yeah, of course it's a bit biased being a Filipino but there is also the reality that Donaire was once a champion and right now he is still eager to become one again. His biggest advantage will be his experience here. He knows how to read different boxers and I bet he will use that to gain the upper hand.

Concerned about the odds too. If this goes like 1.10-1.15 for Donaire then I might just pick a round on a KO or TKO in favor of Donaire.
I mean, he must also have a plan to end it as quickly as possible to avoid being in a position where he is gasping for breath when it takes longer. Because I feel like that will be the plan of Santiago's camp, get him exhausted and let old age kick in.

Sometimes we are emotional on the boxers that we support here, like Donaire for example, but even non-Filipinos supports him too because of how he fight and being a champion.

All of us are going to be concerned about the odds because we don't like if that is going to be the odds that they will gave the Filipino.

So I would agree that it's better to look for more attractive odds, the right is there but it's better be that way as compare to go like 1.1x.

[btc78]

Statistics will be nothing if old age catches up on Donaire.  This is one major reason why legendary boxers even though have better statistics losses to the young ones.  And one of the reasons why Manny Pacquiao won against Oscar Dela Hoya.

But Alejandro Santiago can't be considered to have the same performance level that can be considered currently in super prime.

Nonito Donaire also remains active fighting in the year and that shouldn't give him a rusty performance.

Santiago also doesn't have impressive wins against boxers at the same level as his prime. Donaire just experienced the toughest challenge in his career when he faced Inoue at 40 years old. At the same age, Donaire can surely handle Santiago without a doubt.

Making up some comparison in between their past fight performance, prime to prime then we could really be able to determine on which one is better but Donaire is getting old now
but i do agree on those words that he wouldnt really be giving out that rusty performance.Just like the rest been saying that this might be an easy fight for Donaire
but he shouldnt really be making himself that confident because chances of upsets could really still happen.

I somewhat agree, showing confidence will turn around the game. If Donaire still can't win the upcoming fight then it might be time that needs to hang up the gloves. But, overall this fight could be also hard for Donaire since Santiago is much a power-puncher and hoping he could stand on it.

lol , still the experience will decide the game and that will favor Donaire , yeah Santiago is a strong puncher but we have seen Nonito over the years beating strong hands because of His stamina and long lasting capacity in the ring.
so it is his advantage against this young boxer,

[Distinctin]

lol , still the experience will decide the game and that will favor Donaire , yeah Santiago is a strong puncher but we have seen Nonito over the years beating strong hands because of His stamina and long lasting capacity in the ring.
so it is his advantage against this young boxer,

There's a reason why Donaire is the favorite to win here. While Santiago may be a strong puncher, it's unclear whether he has the stamina and boxing accuracy to compete in the ring. If he had these attributes, he would likely be the favorite to win.

Donaire has faced some of the strongest boxers in the bantamweight division and is not one to back down from a challenge. With Inoue out of the competition, Donaire can use his experience to his advantage.

[Natalim]

He may have slowed down a bit but as we get older we have more power, his experience will also be a big advantage for him here. It's just the stamina that I think will be the issue here. If Santiago will try to wear him down first then it will depend on how well he will control the ring. Jabs will be really helpful as his long reach has the advantage at 174 cm against 166 cm of Santiago.

True, he may have slowed down, but I don't mind. He isn't fighting Inoue, so he doesn't need lots of quickness. He will be fighting Santiago, who is not even a popular boxer, so I guess Donaire should have the edge in every angle. If we talk about him being old, that's another story, as we need to see if he performs like an old boxer in this coming match.

Donaire has the length and with great timing, that could be his biggest advantage.

We are biased sometimes, and since Donaire is from our country, we should support him. What we can do is bet on him. I'll be happy to bet a decent amount on this fight, as long as Donaire isn't a heavy favorite. I'm still concerned about the odds, but I'm confident that Donaire will become a champion again.

Yeah, of course it's a bit biased being a Filipino but there is also the reality that Donaire was once a champion and right now he is still eager to become one again. His biggest advantage will be his experience here. He knows how to read different boxers and I bet he will use that to gain the upper hand.

Concerned about the odds too. If this goes like 1.10-1.15 for Donaire then I might just pick a round on a KO or TKO in favor of Donaire.
I mean, he must also have a plan to end it as quickly as possible to avoid being in a position where he is gasping for breath when it takes longer. Because I feel like that will be the plan of Santiago's camp, get him exhausted and let old age kick in.

Sometimes we are emotional on the boxers that we support here, like Donaire for example, but even non-Filipinos supports him too because of how he fight and being a champion.

All of us are going to be concerned about the odds because we don't like if that is going to be the odds that they will gave the Filipino.

So I would agree that it's better to look for more attractive odds, the right is there but it's better be that way as compare to go like 1.1x.

An odds that low might not happen and I think it's really unlikely to be listed like that because some bookies are already thinking some factors that may give some challenges for Donaire, like the wear and tear he is now experiencing because of the long years he got in his professional career, and there's this age difference which will give the bookies some doubts to list him with that kind of odds.

That is just a thought though but it's still the same, Donaire being the favorite because of his IQ and experience and Santiago as the underdog.

[TimeTeller]

Statistics will be nothing if old age catches up on Donaire.  This is one major reason why legendary boxers even though have better statistics losses to the young ones.  And one of the reasons why Manny Pacquiao won against Oscar Dela Hoya.

But Alejandro Santiago can't be considered to have the same performance level that can be considered currently in super prime.

Nonito Donaire also remains active fighting in the year and that shouldn't give him a rusty performance.

Santiago also doesn't have impressive wins against boxers at the same level as his prime. Donaire just experienced the toughest challenge in his career when he faced Inoue at 40 years old. At the same age, Donaire can surely handle Santiago without a doubt.

Making up some comparison in between their past fight performance, prime to prime then we could really be able to determine on which one is better but Donaire is getting old now
but i do agree on those words that he wouldnt really be giving out that rusty performance.Just like the rest been saying that this might be an easy fight for Donaire
but he shouldnt really be making himself that confident because chances of upsets could really still happen.

I somewhat agree, showing confidence will turn around the game. If Donaire still can't win the upcoming fight then it might be time that needs to hang up the gloves. But, overall this fight could be also hard for Donaire since Santiago is much a power-puncher and hoping he could stand on it.

lol , still the experience will decide the game and that will favor Donaire , yeah Santiago is a strong puncher but we have seen Nonito over the years beating strong hands because of His stamina and long lasting capacity in the ring.
so it is his advantage against this young boxer,

That's what we need to see in this upcoming fight, will Donaire still have the stamina to last 12 rounds?
I am rooting for Donaire here, as the experience itself will give him the advantage over his opponent.
However, we don't know if Donaire can still last long if the fight will go the distance.
If he is up to his game, he can last long. But even if his mind wants it but sometimes the body will show if he is indeed up for it.
But who knows, he can easily beat Santiago as this may be the last hurrah of his boxing career before retirement?