[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight (july15,2023

[Oilacris]

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40% is still a big number so I agree that Santiago is somehow have a KO punch.  He may not be as heavy hitter like Inoue, I agree that a well timed loaded punch on weak parts can KO any boxer. and besides, boxing isn't won only by KO or stoppage.  If Santiago can produce quality volume punches, I think there is a huge possibility for Donaire to lose especially if Donaire try to 1 punch KO his opponent and failed to do so.

There are fights where Donaire admit that he wanted to 1 punch KO his opponent and failed resulting in a lost.  So if that same thing happen on the upcoming fight, there is even more possibility that Donaire will probably lose .

Yes, 40% is indeed high and this is why he should really be that still careful or wouldn't really be that confident even he knows that he's on edge on knockout percentage
which is sitting around KOs   57.14% based up on stats which means that when it comes to power he has the edge but the difference isnt that too far gapped.
This is why its really that foolish if you do presume out that you would really be taking this fight lightly.

[goinmerry]

Yes, 40% is indeed high and this is why he should really be that still careful or wouldn't really be that confident even he knows that he's on edge on knockout percentage
which is sitting around KOs   57.14% based up on stats which means that when it comes to power he has the edge but the difference isnt that too far gapped.
This is why its really that foolish if you do presume out that you would really be taking this fight lightly.

What are you even talking guys? Don't just look at the percentage but also refer to the opponent they faced in their career.

40% is a big number, let's say yes, but can we even look at those boxers that are being KO'ed by Santiago as a considered threat?

Different from Donaire, some of the boxer he KO'ed was popular in the Bantamweight and some are even title holders.

[Silberman]

^ Alejandro Santiago does not have a KO punch though which Donaire could really win despite him being older.

The one thing that's good about retiring while being a champ is that he is going to be remembered being a champ while if he retires while being beaten badly inside the ring, he will be remembered with his bloody face.

^ Sounds right but I think Santiago may not have a knockout punch, he could still pose a challenge to Donaire with his speed and agility in the ring. Probably, Donaire's experience and skill could give him the edge in this fight, even despite his age. He has proven time and time again that he is a force to be reckoned with, and his ability to adapt to his opponents' styles makes him a formidable opponent. What in my mind could be Donaire's legacy as a champion is already secured. Retiring as a champion is a great accomplishment, and it ensures that he will always be remembered as a top athlete in the sport of boxing.

Donaire needs to devise a very good strategy if he wants to get the win, even if he is the favorite I really think his age could play against him and his endurance may not be what it was years ago, this means that if Santiago can survive the very first rounds against Donaire then he could try to tire him out and get the win simply by outlasting Donaire, so while a fast victory will be ideal for Donaire he cannot disregard the possibility of trying to win this fight on the judges scorecards.

[Baofeng]

Yes, 40% is indeed high and this is why he should really be that still careful or wouldn't really be that confident even he knows that he's on edge on knockout percentage
which is sitting around KOs   57.14% based up on stats which means that when it comes to power he has the edge but the difference isnt that too far gapped.
This is why its really that foolish if you do presume out that you would really be taking this fight lightly.

What are you even talking guys? Don't just look at the percentage but also refer to the opponent they faced in their career.

40% is a big number, let's say yes, but can we even look at those boxers that are being KO'ed by Santiago as a considered threat?

Different from Donaire, some of the boxer he KO'ed was popular in the Bantamweight and some are even title holders.

True, that could be the contention here, even the great Julio Cezar Chavez Jr has fought a lot of "tomato can" fighters to swell his record and even defended his title like that. So it's really the quality of fighters that they have face before, not how many of them they knockout in their career because they could have fought boxers that are not expecting to win or at least not on their levels.

Bad comparison to look at their knockout ratio, specially that Donaire has face tougher opponents in the past. While majority here doesn't heard of Santiago before and is rank way below.

[harizen]

Bad comparison to look at their knockout ratio, specially that Donaire has face tougher opponents in the past. While majority here doesn't heard of Santiago before and is rank way below.

I agree with you both. This KO percentage doesn't really have that impact to be put as part of our analysis if we won't look at their respective resumes. Donaire's KO rate is impressive, not because it's considered high but rather, because those he faced are really tough and some of them are in the top rankings.

Santiago, on the other hand, seems not face yet a boxer on a top caliber and is considered top-ranked.

I think Donaire will be Santiago's first opponent which can be considered a big deal.

[goinmerry]

Yes, 40% is indeed high and this is why he should really be that still careful or wouldn't really be that confident even he knows that he's on edge on knockout percentage
which is sitting around KOs   57.14% based up on stats which means that when it comes to power he has the edge but the difference isnt that too far gapped.
This is why its really that foolish if you do presume out that you would really be taking this fight lightly.

What are you even talking guys? Don't just look at the percentage but also refer to the opponent they faced in their career.

40% is a big number, let's say yes, but can we even look at those boxers that are being KO'ed by Santiago as a considered threat?

Different from Donaire, some of the boxer he KO'ed was popular in the Bantamweight and some are even title holders.

True, that could be the contention here, even the great Julio Cezar Chavez Jr has fought a lot of "tomato can" fighters to swell his record and even defended his title like that. So it's really the quality of fighters that they have face before, not how many of them they knockout in their career because they could have fought boxers that are not expecting to win or at least not on their levels.

Bad comparison to look at their knockout ratio, specially that Donaire has face tougher opponents in the past. While majority here doesn't heard of Santiago before and is rank way below.

Let's also remember that Santiago is not even on a Top 5 Bantamweight rankings at all major boxing organizations.

It happened that those who rank 2nd to 4th I guess below Donaire do have already a scheduled fight.

It's really Jason Moloney who is available during the time WBO ordered the fight but since he backed out, Santiago received a big opportunity to fight for a world title and this would be the biggest fight of his career.

[lienfaye]

It's really Jason Moloney who is available during the time WBO ordered the fight but since he backed out, Santiago received a big opportunity to fight for a world title and this would be the biggest fight of his career.

Yes this is a big fight of his career and it's not impossible for him to win, having a 3 consecutive wins last year and a much younger than Donaire, he stand a chance.

Though, it won't be easy since Donaire is an experienced boxer and already prove his worth. He might came from a loss with Inoue but it's a motivation for him to redeem himself and be a champion again. Anyway, is the date for this fight set already?

[Japinat]

It's really Jason Moloney who is available during the time WBO ordered the fight but since he backed out, Santiago received a big opportunity to fight for a world title and this would be the biggest fight of his career.

Yes this is a big fight of his career and it's not impossible for him to win, having a 3 consecutive wins last year and a much younger than Donaire, he stand a chance.

Though, it won't be easy since Donaire is an experienced boxer and already prove his worth. He might came from a loss with Inoue but it's a motivation for him to redeem himself and be a champion again. Anyway, is the date for this fight set already?

It's better to think that Santiago is going to give Donaire a good fight, as most of us here think that Donaire will win easily. You know, when Donaire's opponent is aggressive, it usually results in an entertaining fight, regardless of the outcome. So let's hope that will be the scenario come fight night. As of now, Donaire is still the favorite, but that's expected already since Donaire has a better ranking than Santiago.

[Jating]

It's really Jason Moloney who is available during the time WBO ordered the fight but since he backed out, Santiago received a big opportunity to fight for a world title and this would be the biggest fight of his career.

Yes this is a big fight of his career and it's not impossible for him to win, having a 3 consecutive wins last year and a much younger than Donaire, he stand a chance.

Though, it won't be easy since Donaire is an experienced boxer and already prove his worth. He might came from a loss with Inoue but it's a motivation for him to redeem himself and be a champion again. Anyway, is the date for this fight set already?

It's better to think that Santiago is going to give Donaire a good fight, as most of us here think that Donaire will win easily. You know, when Donaire's opponent is aggressive, it usually results in an entertaining fight, regardless of the outcome. So let's hope that will be the scenario come fight night. As of now, Donaire is still the favorite, but that's expected already since Donaire has a better ranking than Santiago.

Yes, that the correct mindset, not going to be easy sailing for Donaire here, this is for the belt and of course Santiago wanted to be a champion as well. And even if he like rank 6, Donaire shouldn't be underestimating him.

On the other hand, Donaire might be taking his training as hard as the last time. We all know that he was knockout by Inoue, but still though, this is another opportunity for him to remain as champion, so everything should be perfect for him come fight night.

[Ziskinberg]

On the other hand, Donaire might be taking his training as hard as the last time. We all know that he was knockout by Inoue, but still though, this is another opportunity for him to remain as champion, so everything should be perfect for him come fight night.

I'm sure that experience taught him a lot of lessons, that he has to be well-prepared, as it looks like he lacked the stamina at that time. It was a very easy win for Inoue, who asked for a rematch to avenge his loss in their first game. Well, this opponent is not as good as Inoue, but he still needs to be 100% and must not be careless.

[Baofeng]

On the other hand, Donaire might be taking his training as hard as the last time. We all know that he was knockout by Inoue, but still though, this is another opportunity for him to remain as champion, so everything should be perfect for him come fight night.

I'm sure that experience taught him a lot of lessons, that he has to be well-prepared, as it looks like he lacked the stamina at that time. It was a very easy win for Inoue, who asked for a rematch to avenge his loss in their first game. Well, this opponent is not as good as Inoue, but he still needs to be 100% and must not be careless.

I think it's not the question of stamina, but his strategy, he chooses to go toe to toe against the best in that division and has more power. So he bet that if he could just land one good left hook of his, Inoue might doubt himself on that fight. But Inoue is as good as anyone though he was, because he fight toe to toe and doesn't matter what the outcome will be as he believed in his power. And Donaire didn't even land a good punch because Inoue is very quick and has a good chin too. Well maybe here, it will be a different strategy for him, maybe he will test Santiago and once he read him, he might go for a win or become aggressive in the middle rounds.

[Maslate]

On the other hand, Donaire might be taking his training as hard as the last time. We all know that he was knockout by Inoue, but still though, this is another opportunity for him to remain as champion, so everything should be perfect for him come fight night.

I'm sure that experience taught him a lot of lessons, that he has to be well-prepared, as it looks like he lacked the stamina at that time. It was a very easy win for Inoue, who asked for a rematch to avenge his loss in their first game. Well, this opponent is not as good as Inoue, but he still needs to be 100% and must not be careless.

I think it's not the question of stamina, but his strategy, he chooses to go toe to toe against the best in that division and has more power. So he bet that if he could just land one good left hook of his, Inoue might doubt himself on that fight. But Inoue is as good as anyone though he was, because he fight toe to toe and doesn't matter what the outcome will be as he believed in his power. And Donaire didn't even land a good punch because Inoue is very quick and has a good chin too. Well maybe here, it will be a different strategy for him, maybe he will test Santiago and once he read him, he might go for a win or become aggressive in the middle rounds.

Probably, Donaire was thinking that he could take the punches of Inoue since he survived the 12 rounds in their previous fight. He also wanted to end the fight early, as he understood that he would lose again if it reached the judges' scorecards. That's the risk he took, but unfortunately, the strategy did not work in his favor.

Donaire is a great counter-puncher, but his strategy works best against slower fighters, certainly not against Inoue, who is quick and a smart boxer.

[harizen]

Anyway, is the date for this fight set already?

As far as I know, no date yet and even the venue hasn't been officially announced.

What matter here is, this is a sure fight now as both boxers don't have any issue pursuing the fight.

I'm also not thinking that boxing politics such as promotional issues will happen here. 100% this fight will be pushed.

[goinmerry]

Well maybe here, it will be a different strategy for him, maybe he will test Santiago and once he read him, he might go for a win or become aggressive in the middle rounds.

Donaire I'm sure won't show any different strategy on this fight. He will just fight like he faced other boxers.

Santiago should not be a big threat for Donaire as he alredy faced the most dangerous boxer in the bantamweight which is Naoya Inoue. Fighting Santiago, he should just feel that his opponent is nothing compare to Naoya Inoue.

[Japinat]

It's really Jason Moloney who is available during the time WBO ordered the fight but since he backed out, Santiago received a big opportunity to fight for a world title and this would be the biggest fight of his career.

Yes this is a big fight of his career and it's not impossible for him to win, having a 3 consecutive wins last year and a much younger than Donaire, he stand a chance.

Though, it won't be easy since Donaire is an experienced boxer and already prove his worth. He might came from a loss with Inoue but it's a motivation for him to redeem himself and be a champion again. Anyway, is the date for this fight set already?

It's better to think that Santiago is going to give Donaire a good fight, as most of us here think that Donaire will win easily. You know, when Donaire's opponent is aggressive, it usually results in an entertaining fight, regardless of the outcome. So let's hope that will be the scenario come fight night. As of now, Donaire is still the favorite, but that's expected already since Donaire has a better ranking than Santiago.

Yes, that the correct mindset, not going to be easy sailing for Donaire here, this is for the belt and of course Santiago wanted to be a champion as well. And even if he like rank 6, Donaire shouldn't be underestimating him.

On the other hand, Donaire might be taking his training as hard as the last time. We all know that he was knockout by Inoue, but still though, this is another opportunity for him to remain as champion, so everything should be perfect for him come fight night.

This time, I'm quite positive enough that Donaire will prepare for Santiago and this time, he will be training hard so that he won't get surprised again even if Santiago is not that much of a boxer compared to Donaire's recent foes. Furthermore, Donaire learned that lesson in a hard way as apart from us, Donaire didn't expect that rematch to last much earlier. The thing is, they are both after the same belt, so it's fair to say that Santiago will not back an inch just to give Donaire an easy journey.

[deathcode]

It's really Jason Moloney who is available during the time WBO ordered the fight but since he backed out, Santiago received a big opportunity to fight for a world title and this would be the biggest fight of his career.

Yes this is a big fight of his career and it's not impossible for him to win, having a 3 consecutive wins last year and a much younger than Donaire, he stand a chance.

Though, it won't be easy since Donaire is an experienced boxer and already prove his worth. He might came from a loss with Inoue but it's a motivation for him to redeem himself and be a champion again. Anyway, is the date for this fight set already?

It's better to think that Santiago is going to give Donaire a good fight, as most of us here think that Donaire will win easily. You know, when Donaire's opponent is aggressive, it usually results in an entertaining fight, regardless of the outcome. So let's hope that will be the scenario come fight night. As of now, Donaire is still the favorite, but that's expected already since Donaire has a better ranking than Santiago.

Yes, that the correct mindset, not going to be easy sailing for Donaire here, this is for the belt and of course Santiago wanted to be a champion as well. And even if he like rank 6, Donaire shouldn't be underestimating him.

On the other hand, Donaire might be taking his training as hard as the last time. We all know that he was knockout by Inoue, but still though, this is another opportunity for him to remain as champion, so everything should be perfect for him come fight night.

This time, I'm quite positive enough that Donaire will prepare for Santiago and this time, he will be training hard so that he won't get surprised again even if Santiago is not that much of a boxer compared to Donaire's recent foes. Furthermore, Donaire learned that lesson in a hard way as apart from us, Donaire didn't expect that rematch to last much earlier. The thing is, they are both after the same belt, so it's fair to say that Santiago will not back an inch just to give Donaire an easy journey.

Of course Santiago will not easily give victory to Donaire, his second title fight is important for Santiago. we know that Santiago is currently in prime physical condition and at a relatively young age than Donaire.
Santiago did win in terms of a younger age but Donaire has more fighting experience. Even though I think age is also an important factor that will greatly affect the quality of the game in the ring.
But I have faith that even though their age difference is very big, Donaire has proven several times that old age does not prevent him from performing optimally. I think Donaire will still be in top shape and excel and win this match.

[Ziskinberg]

On the other hand, Donaire might be taking his training as hard as the last time. We all know that he was knockout by Inoue, but still though, this is another opportunity for him to remain as champion, so everything should be perfect for him come fight night.

I'm sure that experience taught him a lot of lessons, that he has to be well-prepared, as it looks like he lacked the stamina at that time. It was a very easy win for Inoue, who asked for a rematch to avenge his loss in their first game. Well, this opponent is not as good as Inoue, but he still needs to be 100% and must not be careless.

I think it's not the question of stamina, but his strategy, he chooses to go toe to toe against the best in that division and has more power. So he bet that if he could just land one good left hook of his, Inoue might doubt himself on that fight. But Inoue is as good as anyone though he was, because he fight toe to toe and doesn't matter what the outcome will be as he believed in his power. And Donaire didn't even land a good punch because Inoue is very quick and has a good chin too.

I think you got it right, it's indeed wasn't the stamina that is his problem, it was his consistency to keep up with the monster's monstrous body punch as it's somehow clear enough that Donaire is badly hurt whenever he will receive those vicious punch while Inoue has no problem shaking Donaire's punches. In the long run, Inoue prevailed. Other than that, I don't see any other way that Donaire could've finished that fight in his favor and I think what he did was his only best chance to try and land a successful punch on the monster's chin.

Well maybe here, it will be a different strategy for him, maybe he will test Santiago and once he read him, he might go for a win or become aggressive in the middle rounds.

Sure it is, every boxer is different that's why it requires a different kind of approach but normally, Donaire will want to test Santiago's punches before he starts his plan.

[Japinat]

It's really Jason Moloney who is available during the time WBO ordered the fight but since he backed out, Santiago received a big opportunity to fight for a world title and this would be the biggest fight of his career.

Yes this is a big fight of his career and it's not impossible for him to win, having a 3 consecutive wins last year and a much younger than Donaire, he stand a chance.

Though, it won't be easy since Donaire is an experienced boxer and already prove his worth. He might came from a loss with Inoue but it's a motivation for him to redeem himself and be a champion again. Anyway, is the date for this fight set already?

It's better to think that Santiago is going to give Donaire a good fight, as most of us here think that Donaire will win easily. You know, when Donaire's opponent is aggressive, it usually results in an entertaining fight, regardless of the outcome. So let's hope that will be the scenario come fight night. As of now, Donaire is still the favorite, but that's expected already since Donaire has a better ranking than Santiago.

Yes, that the correct mindset, not going to be easy sailing for Donaire here, this is for the belt and of course Santiago wanted to be a champion as well. And even if he like rank 6, Donaire shouldn't be underestimating him.

On the other hand, Donaire might be taking his training as hard as the last time. We all know that he was knockout by Inoue, but still though, this is another opportunity for him to remain as champion, so everything should be perfect for him come fight night.

This time, I'm quite positive enough that Donaire will prepare for Santiago and this time, he will be training hard so that he won't get surprised again even if Santiago is not that much of a boxer compared to Donaire's recent foes. Furthermore, Donaire learned that lesson in a hard way as apart from us, Donaire didn't expect that rematch to last much earlier. The thing is, they are both after the same belt, so it's fair to say that Santiago will not back an inch just to give Donaire an easy journey.

Of course Santiago will not easily give victory to Donaire, his second title fight is important for Santiago. we know that Santiago is currently in prime physical condition and at a relatively young age than Donaire.
Santiago did win in terms of a younger age but Donaire has more fighting experience. Even though I think age is also an important factor that will greatly affect the quality of the game in the ring.
But I have faith that even though their age difference is very big, Donaire has proven several times that old age does not prevent him from performing optimally. I think Donaire will still be in top shape and excel and win this match.

Well, to know more about that, let's see if Donaire's age will be a stumbling block on his way to greatness again. As far as we know, Donaire's KO punch is still lethal as long as he will get an opening to land it cleanly but in-terms of speed, I think he's not that kind of Flash that we used to know anymore and maybe that's has something to do with his age. You know, nobody can escape father time.

[Hypnosis00]

Well, to know more about that, let's see if Donaire's age will be a stumbling block on his way to greatness again. As far as we know, Donaire's KO punch is still lethal as long as he will get an opening to land it cleanly but in-terms of speed, I think he's not that kind of Flash that we used to know anymore and maybe that's has something to do with his age. You know, nobody can escape father time.

That's what he needs - find an opponent and go for a KO shot. He is still a KO artist, but he should aim to end his opponent early, so he won't struggle in the later rounds. The problem with Donaire is that he gets frustrated if he cannot finish his opponent early and gets careless in the end. So, a proper game plan is very important for him, as he is not getting any younger.

[kenshi222]

Santiago game was unique one and he had started to practice for the game.So he had some good stamina for the upcoming game,he will surprise the opponent for sure.The boxing strategy of Donaire was good then the Santiago,but the will power of the player at the time is very important one.The good player also loss the game,if he competing the good player with less stamina.The player being a boxer should have their own strategy and the stamina all the time.

If the stamina of the player was less on the time and he play with less power boxer.Surely he will lose the game for sure.So even the experienced players will have to keep their practices daily to keep their strategy prevails till the last match untill he get retired.Even if the player get age every year,the practice of game should be done every year.So don’t skip the practice section even if you was young with more experience or good body structure.