[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight (july15,2023

[Yaunfitda]

Donaire may not be at his best shape, but he needs training and needs opportunities

We wouldn't know about his current form unless we see him fight. Based on what I've observed in all of Inoue's fights, he always appears to be in his best shape. However, there have been instances where he has lost due to his strategy not working against a superior boxer, such as Inoue. Nevertheless, against Santiago, who is not on the same level as Inoue, I am confident that Inoue will come out on top and win the fight. The only thing lacking for him now is the opportunity, and this fight should happen soon.

Yeah, I don't think it's the question of Donaire's shape, I mean he has been a boxer and knows how to win and part of it and to train hard. It's just really unfortunate that we haven't heard any updates on this fight, whether it will happen this year or not.

Inoue on the other hand, will have a perfect change at the new weight division when he goes against Fulton.

And again, our argument that Donaire is not getting old, might go against him if the fight is going to happen next year.

[Hypnosis00]

And again, our argument that Donaire is not getting old, might go against him if the fight is going to happen next year.

It's truly unfair for him. Other boxers have already been given the opportunity to fight, while he has to wait for another chance just to get back into action. It appears that they don't want to see Donaire become a champion again, as his presence could potentially jeopardize the opportunities for younger contenders if they opt for a unification fight.

[inthelongrun]

And again, our argument that Donaire is not getting old, might go against him if the fight is going to happen next year.

It's truly unfair for him. Other boxers have already been given the opportunity to fight, while he has to wait for another chance just to get back into action. It appears that they don't want to see Donaire become a champion again, as his presence could potentially jeopardize the opportunities for younger contenders if they opt for a unification fight.

Donaire becoming inactive is his own doing for staying loyal to Richard Schaefer the owner of former Probellum who's been under heavy fire from the US authorities and in some parts of the world. No fighters stopping him from trying to become a champion again and even Santiago and the other WBC top-ranked fighters do not want a delay as it will also delay their chances of getting a title shot or increasing their ratings.

Anyways, several days ago I keep seeing from different sources that Donaire-Santiago for the WBC strap is already a go this coming July 15th. Hopefully, the venue is not in Mexico which would be advantageous to Santiago.

[Viscore]

Anyways, several days ago I keep seeing from different sources that Donaire-Santiago for the WBC strap is already a go this coming July 15th. Hopefully, the venue is not in Mexico which would be advantageous to Santiago.

That's a valid point. If the fight takes place in Mexico, it's possible that the judges' decision could have an impact on the outcome. However, given that most of Donaire's wins have been through knockouts that advantage of Santiago will only be useless if this fight will end in Knock out.

[lionheart78]

Donaire may not be at his best shape, but he needs training and needs opportunities

We wouldn't know about his current form unless we see him fight. Based on what I've observed in all of Inoue's fights, he always appears to be in his best shape. However, there have been instances where he has lost due to his strategy not working against a superior boxer, such as Inoue. Nevertheless, against Santiago, who is not on the same level as Inoue, I am confident that Inoue will come out on top and win the fight. The only thing lacking for him now is the opportunity, and this fight should happen soon.

Yeah, I don't think it's the question of Donaire's shape, I mean he has been a boxer and knows how to win and part of it and to train hard. It's just really unfortunate that we haven't heard any updates on this fight, whether it will happen this year or not.

Donaire is a dedicated boxer, he often hits the gym and do his training routine even without a scheduled fight.  So Donaire's shape is out of the picture, what I am concerned about here is aging.  We all know Donaire is way past his prime.  Even though the mind is able, we are not sure whether his body can keep up with what his mind wanted to do.

Btw, I watch Alejandro Santiago's highlight, he is more of an inside fighter that does a combination of body and head punches, though a good kind of offense the only flaw is that Alejandro Santiago left himself open after every punches, so I think Donaire would be able to KO this guy if he still have that great hook counter.

And again, our argument that Donaire is not getting old, might go against him if the fight is going to happen next year.

Let us just hope that Donaire isn't a worn-out boxer yet and is still capable of dealing sharp counters that make his opponent kiss the canvas.

[Pamadar]

Anyways, several days ago I keep seeing from different sources that Donaire-Santiago for the WBC strap is already a go this coming July 15th. Hopefully, the venue is not in Mexico which would be advantageous to Santiago.

That's a valid point. If the fight takes place in Mexico, it's possible that the judges' decision could have an impact on the outcome. However, given that most of Donaire's wins have been through knockouts that advantage of Santiago will only be useless if this fight will end in Knock out.

And same with that valid reason, if the fight ends up as UD, then Santiago's advantage due to the location may take place.

I would still love to see the old Donaire even he's no longer in his prime and speed might be no longer
the same, but the power punches, especially that hook, may still be the same.

Hopefully, both the dates and the venue will be announced in the next update, more than a month and
a good preparation for both fighters will give the fans an enjoyable and entertaining fight.

[Kemarit]

Anyways, several days ago I keep seeing from different sources that Donaire-Santiago for the WBC strap is already a go this coming July 15th. Hopefully, the venue is not in Mexico which would be advantageous to Santiago.

That's a valid point. If the fight takes place in Mexico, it's possible that the judges' decision could have an impact on the outcome. However, given that most of Donaire's wins have been through knockouts that advantage of Santiago will only be useless if this fight will end in Knock out.

Yeah, same here, I don't like to see Donaire travel to Mexico and fight Santiago in his backyard. Donaire should be the A-side here, and his team shouldn't allow Santiago to dictate the terms. And Santiago I would say is not that big Mexican boxer though, so doesn't make sense to held the fight in Mexico. And we have heard news that even Canelo didn't do well as far as PPV numbers with his fight with Ryder in Mexico. Hopefully if the Richard Schaefer ties with Daniel Kinahan is not the obstacles in this fight. Because if it did, then it might really give Donaire a big problem in the US (although I personally think the Schaefer is no way or form involved with the Mafia).

[Vaculin]

And again, our argument that Donaire is not getting old, might go against him if the fight is going to happen next year.

It's truly unfair for him. Other boxers have already been given the opportunity to fight, while he has to wait for another chance just to get back into action. It appears that they don't want to see Donaire become a champion again, as his presence could potentially jeopardize the opportunities for younger contenders if they opt for a unification fight.

It's not that mate, people surely wanted to see Donaire fighting again inside the ring because only few boxers are still that active now considering his situation. It's just that the situation is not on his favor because Richard Schaefer of the Probellum (Donaire's promoter) does have a current problem that hasn't been resolved which is why Donaire is stagnant and inactive for over a year now.

[Jating]

And again, our argument that Donaire is not getting old, might go against him if the fight is going to happen next year.

It's truly unfair for him. Other boxers have already been given the opportunity to fight, while he has to wait for another chance just to get back into action. It appears that they don't want to see Donaire become a champion again, as his presence could potentially jeopardize the opportunities for younger contenders if they opt for a unification fight.

It's not that mate, people surely wanted to see Donaire fighting again inside the ring because only few boxers are still that active now considering his situation. It's just that the situation is not on his favor because Richard Schaefer of the Probellum (Donaire's promoter) does have a current problem that hasn't been resolved which is why Donaire is stagnant and inactive for over a year now.

Probellum no longer exist, it was disbanded and all their boxers have been absorbed by the new promoter/manager. But Donaire though and one or two boxers remains loyal to Richard Schaefer. So he still carries Donaire minus the Probellum name.

That's why it doesn't make sense for Donaire or Richard to get this deal happen in the US and not in Mexico. They should be cleared as they bolted out from that management already. There could be serious allegations though, but I think Richard is clean or not tied up to the former owner of Probellum.

[carlisle1]

And again, our argument that Donaire is not getting old, might go against him if the fight is going to happen next year.

It's truly unfair for him. Other boxers have already been given the opportunity to fight, while he has to wait for another chance just to get back into action. It appears that they don't want to see Donaire become a champion again, as his presence could potentially jeopardize the opportunities for younger contenders if they opt for a unification fight.

It's not that mate, people surely wanted to see Donaire fighting again inside the ring because only few boxers are still that active now considering his situation. It's just that the situation is not on his favor because Richard Schaefer of the Probellum (Donaire's promoter) does have a current problem that hasn't been resolved which is why Donaire is stagnant and inactive for over a year now.

Probellum no longer exist, it was disbanded and all their boxers have been absorbed by the new promoter/manager. But Donaire though and one or two boxers remains loyal to Richard Schaefer. So he still carries Donaire minus the Probellum name.

That's why it doesn't make sense for Donaire or Richard to get this deal happen in the US and not in Mexico. They should be cleared as they bolted out from that management already. There could be serious allegations though, but I think Richard is clean or not tied up to the former owner of Probellum.

Hopefully, the organization will clear this issue and let Donaire to step back inside the ring and bring his fans the entertainment that
they are expecting from him after Inoue vacant the belt.

Even he's aging, his fighting capabilities are still present. Maybe the speed is no longer the same but the power of his punches and the timing, I'm sure
he can still use that as advantage.

Let's wait for any updates and look forward to see this fight happen this year.

[LUCKMCFLY]

What delays this fight is due to the promotional issues of Donaire. Probellum already ceased to exist due to its involvement with the Kinahans. So Bob Arum is once again correct and some of us thought he was just making excuses to avoid his ward Moloney facing Donaire. Moloney is already fighting next week for the vacant WBO belt while old Donaire's next fight still has no venue and a specific date.

Richard Schaefer should work this out fast because neither Donaire nor Santiago wanted to overtrain. There is no such thing as having a serious training camp that will last for 4 months or more. That is not beneficial and will have bad effects on the fighters. Maybe Schaefer should ask to return the favor of his friend Al Haymon to temporarily handle some of his fighters and stage this fight.

What I sincerely see is a lot of work, I don't know if it's for the publicists themselves,or for the fighters themselves,if what they're really looking for is more vision on the part of the fans,as far as I'm concerned I think that this type of Things must be Resolved quickly in order to establish a more viable fight and finally let Donaire take action, many of us want to see him and show how much he talks because for me he is in Excellent shape, no matter how old he is,I see that it is Fine for a good Fight and that is what Matters.

Exactly, whatever it is, they needed to act now and work on pushing this fight.

I can follow you with your opinion regarding with Donaire, even he's not on his prime anymore, the winning chance is still possible
as he's still fit and his form is still good to compete.

A matter of how good the promoters and the negotiators are to bring the fight to the fans and market to potential sponsors to make
good money from this possible fight. More on how they will bring update and interest
with readers and fans who are waiting for the finalization if the fight will happen.

Doanire can still prove to us that he can be a champion one again and by winning his upcoming fights then without a doubt he can be a champion. Also the promoters want to make sure that this fight will be one of the greatest fight in boxing to gain more money. And if this happen for sure the tickets will be easily to sold out because this is the fight of an veteran that proves that Age doesn't yet matter as long us donaire can fight.

There's no doubt about Donaire despite his age now and that he can be a champion once again, but the problem is, when will they announce this fight as for sure many people are already curious about why this bout is taking so long to materialize or at least have some updates about the upcoming fight so that people can follow through instead of having some unanswered questions.

There is a lot of speculation about this , in addition to Donaire, as I have said, there has been speculation about his return, some do not give a single dollar to see him fight, I think that at this point, the business is above the sport, and that is why It is that some boxers do not have enough opportunity to be able to venture into the sport again, but the big hands of boxing that are the ones that really have the power and control (a lot of money) are the ones that decide which boxers participate and which do not, So this seems somewhat unfair to me because no boxer who is good and who does not have his contacts will not have another opportunity , that is why we have seen that in boxing they are always the same and show the same level.

And again, our argument that Donaire is not getting old, might go against him if the fight is going to happen next year.

It's truly unfair for him. Other boxers have already been given the opportunity to fight, while he has to wait for another chance just to get back into action. It appears that they don't want to see Donaire become a champion again, as his presence could potentially jeopardize the opportunities for younger contenders if they opt for a unification fight.

It's not that mate, people surely wanted to see Donaire fighting again inside the ring because only few boxers are still that active now considering his situation. It's just that the situation is not on his favor because Richard Schaefer of the Probellum (Donaire's promoter) does have a current problem that hasn't been resolved which is why Donaire is stagnant and inactive for over a year now.

Probellum no longer exist, it was disbanded and all their boxers have been absorbed by the new promoter/manager. But Donaire though and one or two boxers remains loyal to Richard Schaefer. So he still carries Donaire minus the Probellum name.

That's why it doesn't make sense for Donaire or Richard to get this deal happen in the US and not in Mexico. They should be cleared as they bolted out from that management already. There could be serious allegations though, but I think Richard is clean or not tied up to the former owner of Probellum.

In this order of ideas, we think that no boxer should be so loyal to a prottor, because first Donaire has not done well, second they are in a system where if you are not very famous you do not have the opportunity to emerge, they do not give him fights and apart from everyone starts to see that things are quite strong because the competition of the strongest make fights to show off, I know that it is not the case, but regarding Spence and Crawford, Spence postponed this fight for a long time, it is not the idea, he is taking many opportunities away from new boxers who have a lot to prove, maybe nonito sees him as very old, but he is very veteran.

Jason Moloney: Still wants Nonito Donaire, Unification with Takuma Inoue or Revenge against Emmanuel Rodriguez

Jason Moloney clinched a world title at the third time of asking, defeating Vincent Astrolabio this past weekend in Stockton, California. The Australian won the vacant WBO world bantamweight title with a majority decision win.

Moloney (26-2, 19 KOs) spoke exclusively to ProBox TV News to discuss his recent success.

“It has been my lifelong dream to be one world champion.” Moloney said. “It is what I have been working for my whole life. I’ve been boxing nearly 20 years, professional for 9 years. To finally have achieved the one big goal I set myself feels amazing. I couldn’t be happier mate, it’s a dream come true. It was a tough fight with Astrolabio, world titles don’t come easy. I knew he was going to be very hungry to win the belt as well. In the 3rd or 4th round I hit him on the top of the head with my right hand and started getting excruciating pain there for the rest of the fight. I had to adapt and change up the game plan slightly and get behind my jab and keep the distance a bit more.

“I used my jab much more than initially had planned. I think it worked well, maybe hurting my right hand might have been a bit of a blessing. Getting behind the jab, boxing and moving seemed to cause him a lot of trouble. It did prevent me from going through the gears a bit more and trying to really break him down. I think if I could have used the right hand I probably would have broken him down. Maybe a later round stoppage. But credit to him, he was a very tough fighter. I had to be a bit smarter, I did keep throwing the right but every time I landed it the pain was excruciating.

Source: https://proboxtv.com/news/jason-moloney-unification-with-inoue-or-revenge-against-rodriguez-still-looking-at-donaire/en

[inthelongrun]

Richard Schaefer is of course not directly involved in the Irish syndicate of the Kinahans. But when his promotional company Probellum is getting investments from the Kinahans then that is still in violation of the Anti-Money Laundering. Obviously, dirty money needs to become clean so these syndicates will invest the money thru their dummies. Daniel Kinahan loves boxing a lot and it's not a secret in Ireland and in the UK that he is deeply involved in it for many years.

Anyways, at least Donaire is finally getting a July date. Still unofficial but I am confident in some of the sources I am seeing. Besides, I am also seeing Donaire sparring again. Prior to the rumors, Donaire was mostly teaching the young guns of Omega gym in Cebu, Philippines. And it's good that WBO champion Jason Moloney is keen on unifying the belts. Hopefully, Naoya's younger brother the WBA champion is also willing to mix it up.

[Shamm]

And again, our argument that Donaire is not getting old, might go against him if the fight is going to happen next year.

It's truly unfair for him. Other boxers have already been given the opportunity to fight, while he has to wait for another chance just to get back into action. It appears that they don't want to see Donaire become a champion again, as his presence could potentially jeopardize the opportunities for younger contenders if they opt for a unification fight.

It's not that mate, people surely wanted to see Donaire fighting again inside the ring because only few boxers are still that active now considering his situation. It's just that the situation is not on his favor because Richard Schaefer of the Probellum (Donaire's promoter) does have a current problem that hasn't been resolved which is why Donaire is stagnant and inactive for over a year now.

Probellum no longer exist, it was disbanded and all their boxers have been absorbed by the new promoter/manager. But Donaire though and one or two boxers remains loyal to Richard Schaefer. So he still carries Donaire minus the Probellum name.

That's why it doesn't make sense for Donaire or Richard to get this deal happen in the US and not in Mexico. They should be cleared as they bolted out from that management already. There could be serious allegations though, but I think Richard is clean or not tied up to the former owner of Probellum.

Hopefully, the organization will clear this issue and let Donaire to step back inside the ring and bring his fans the entertainment that
they are expecting from him after Inoue vacant the belt.

Even he's aging, his fighting capabilities are still present. Maybe the speed is no longer the same but the power of his punches and the timing, I'm sure
he can still use that as advantage.

Let's wait for any updates and look forward to see this fight happen this year.

If donaire wants to fight inside the ring then for sure that he can still handle what ever happens during the fight, as we all know that the veteran donaire is have an age already but as we saw his last fight he can still have a power but sad to say his movement speed getting slower. Anyways about his upcoming fight brings the fans into an exciting part as we all know that donaire already built his legacy.

[Ziskinberg]

If donaire wants to fight inside the ring then for sure that he can still handle what ever happens during the fight, as we all know that the veteran donaire is have an age already but as we saw his last fight he can still have a power but sad to say his movement speed getting slower.

He may have slowed down due to his age, but his power is still sufficient to knock out a young opponent. In short, he remains a dangerous opponent who can potentially end a boxer's career. However, the disappointment lies in the fact that there is currently no scheduled fight for him, or at least no specific date has been announced yet. This is disheartening for fans who wish to see him compete while he still can.

Anyways about his upcoming fight brings the fans into an exciting part as we all know that donaire already built his legacy.

He wants to be an undisputed champion before he would retire, I think he can do that in the bantamweight division but time is his enemy.

[borovichok]

If donaire wants to fight inside the ring then for sure that he can still handle what ever happens during the fight, as we all know that the veteran donaire is have an age already but as we saw his last fight he can still have a power but sad to say his movement speed getting slower. Anyways about his upcoming fight brings the fans into an exciting part as we all know that donaire already built his legacy.

Nonito Donaire has accomplished much during his career as a fighter, and it is past time for a new chapter to begin. His ring name, popularly known as the Filipino Flash, should never be underestimated simply because he has been out of action for a long time, he has a legacy, and fighting would be just for fun and to enttertain his fans, Nonito Donaire is aging, and we will no longer see some of his skilled moves in the ring. I believe Donaire wants to stretch his old bones in the ring; his fight will be tough because his opponent will not back down, and he will be up against one of the toughest fighters.

[btc_angela]

If donaire wants to fight inside the ring then for sure that he can still handle what ever happens during the fight, as we all know that the veteran donaire is have an age already but as we saw his last fight he can still have a power but sad to say his movement speed getting slower.

He may have slowed down due to his age, but his power is still sufficient to knock out a young opponent. In short, he remains a dangerous opponent who can potentially end a boxer's career. However, the disappointment lies in the fact that there is currently no scheduled fight for him, or at least no specific date has been announced yet. This is disheartening for fans who wish to see him compete while he still can.

Anyways about his upcoming fight brings the fans into an exciting part as we all know that donaire already built his legacy.

He wants to be an undisputed champion before he would retire, I think he can do that in the bantamweight division but time is his enemy.

Donaire has still sufficient power to knockout anyone, his signature left hook is still there and his timing (due to his experience) is still one of his best traits that's why he was able to survived this long when all of his contemporaries have retired already.

So we should still be looking for Donaire to fight this year for the belt, hopefully July is suitable for both fighters and it should be in USA. No doubt that he still has a lot of fans and followers, Filipino or non-Filipinos.

[Distinctin]

So we should still be looking for Donaire to fight this year for the belt, hopefully July is suitable for both fighters and it should be in USA. No doubt that he still has a lot of fans and followers, Filipino or non-Filipinos.

This is a championship fight, so it will likely be held in the US. People are already bored as they are not witnessing much real action in boxing. Perhaps after Inoue vs Fulton, we will have the opportunity to witness this particular fight.

Since Donaire might only fight once this year, if it happens, next year could potentially feature a unification fight. It remains to be seen whether it will be against Jason Moloney or Takuma Inoue, as it would require agreement from the other champions involved.

[Shamm]

So we should still be looking for Donaire to fight this year for the belt, hopefully July is suitable for both fighters and it should be in USA. No doubt that he still has a lot of fans and followers, Filipino or non-Filipinos.

This is a championship fight, so it will likely be held in the US. People are already bored as they are not witnessing much real action in boxing. Perhaps after Inoue vs Fulton, we will have the opportunity to witness this particular fight.

Since Donaire might only fight once this year, if it happens, next year could potentially feature a unification fight. It remains to be seen whether it will be against Jason Moloney or Takuma Inoue, as it would require agreement from the other champions involved.

Yes true mate many fans will be excited to watch this fight because you are right that mate in the world of boxing this year we are not yet. Saw a good fight, a fight that the battle of the strong which means a toe to toe fight. And for sure for this fight donaire can still prove to us that he is the veteran he is one of the best fighter in the whole world.

[mirakal]

So we should still be looking for Donaire to fight this year for the belt, hopefully July is suitable for both fighters and it should be in USA. No doubt that he still has a lot of fans and followers, Filipino or non-Filipinos.

This is a championship fight, so it will likely be held in the US. People are already bored as they are not witnessing much real action in boxing. Perhaps after Inoue vs Fulton, we will have the opportunity to witness this particular fight.

Since Donaire might only fight once this year, if it happens, next year could potentially feature a unification fight. It remains to be seen whether it will be against Jason Moloney or Takuma Inoue, as it would require agreement from the other champions involved.

Donaire's road is getting blurry as the time goes by, don't take it wrong because I really wanted to see him fight as long as he thinks he can and I will support him on his journey. But judging his current situation, most of us here already know that it is not that good and the thing is, we are not receiving any updates at all about what happened about his fight because the last time that his name was featured was when Santiago was selected to fight him and then nothing follows after that.

Donaire should speak up about his real situation because even if we have some speculations, that is still a speculation and will not be a fact if neither one of the two camps will confirm it. For Donaire, he surely wanted a fight that will make his pocket heavy and that is why he ought to give an update to his fans.

[Baofeng]

It was confirmed already. Nonito Donaire vs Alexandro Santiago vacant title fight joins Martin vs Harutyunyan on July 15

And it will be covered by Showtime itself,  

https://www.sho.com/titles/3525172/martin-vs-harutyunyan

So now there's no more guessing whether the fight is going to push through or not and it's good to hear that finally we have date.

July is going to be a bigger month for boxing, this one, and after a week, Fulton vs Inoue and then Crawford vs Spence.