[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[Ivan166]

I've made Russian translation of monero.cc.
Materials are sent to webmaster.
Hope we will see changes soon.

[Johnny Mnemonic]

It's a non-problem.  The market will fix it.  Miners will mine the txns with the best fees.

Uh... that's exactly why it is a problem.  If payers have to enter a bidding war to get their transactions included, they might as well go back to fiat.

[smooth]

It's a non-problem.  The market will fix it.  Miners will mine the txns with the best fees.

Uh... that's exactly why it is a problem.  If payers have to enter a bidding war to get their transactions included, they might as well go back to fiat.

It's actually flattering that you think this obscure little altcoin is so important as to make this the appropriate venue to debate these important questions, but in reality these exact same issues apply to every single coin based on Satoshi's basic block chain concept, and indeed many will need to address them in practice much sooner than MRO. In fact BCN being twice as fast and two years ahead will confront them much sooner. It is absurd to think this discussion should take place on the thread for every coin to which they apply, because that's all of them.

So I would respectfully request that you guys take it over to the Economics subforum or somewhere else a bit more focused. There are MRO-specific topics to discuss here.

[Johnny Mnemonic]

It's a non-problem.  The market will fix it.  Miners will mine the txns with the best fees.

Uh... that's exactly why it is a problem.  If payers have to enter a bidding war to get their transactions included, they might as well go back to fiat.

It's actually flattering that you think this obscure little altcoin is so important as to make this the appropriate venue to debate these important questions, but in reality these exact same issues apply to every single coin based on Satoshi's basic block chain concept, and indeed many will need to address them in practice much sooner than MRO. In fact BCN being twice as fast and two years ahead will confront them much sooner. It is absurd to think this discussion should take place on the thread for every coin to which they apply, because that's all of them.

So I would respectfully request that you guys take it over to the Economics subforum or somewhere else a bit more focused. There are MRO-specific topics to discuss here.

I'm sorry, I was under the impression we actually wanted to do things better than the other coins.  Perhaps it's being discussed here because we think Monero has the potential to solve these problems early and be a leader in providing long-term solutions. How silly of me for being so optimistic.

[georgeandy]

cryptonote.exchange.to
I despoit some BTC to my cryptonote account from my mintpal account .
But I don't get it after about 4 hours..what's the matter?

[33zer0w0lf]

cryptonote.exchange.to
I despoit some BTC to my cryptonote account from my mintpal account .
But I don't get it after about 4 hours..what's the matter?

cryptonote is all manual

[huhliki.k]

 ///If you have waited for more than 1 hour on deposit, contact us. Occasionally cryptonote wallets may freeze and cause further delay due to having to manually reset.///

[smooth]

It's a non-problem.  The market will fix it.  Miners will mine the txns with the best fees.

Uh... that's exactly why it is a problem.  If payers have to enter a bidding war to get their transactions included, they might as well go back to fiat.

It's actually flattering that you think this obscure little altcoin is so important as to make this the appropriate venue to debate these important questions, but in reality these exact same issues apply to every single coin based on Satoshi's basic block chain concept, and indeed many will need to address them in practice much sooner than MRO. In fact BCN being twice as fast and two years ahead will confront them much sooner. It is absurd to think this discussion should take place on the thread for every coin to which they apply, because that's all of them.

So I would respectfully request that you guys take it over to the Economics subforum or somewhere else a bit more focused. There are MRO-specific topics to discuss here.

I'm sorry, I was under the impression we actually wanted to do things better than the other coins.  Perhaps it's being discussed here because we think Monero has the potential to solve these problems early and be a leader in providing long-term solutions. How silly of me for being so optimistic.

I'm not saying Monero won't do things better, just that the discussion about what is "better" should take place somewhere else.

Being impartial for a moment here, just take a quick look at the quoted context above. You think one thing is better, aminorex thinks something else. I'm just asking that you take that discussion elsewhere. That doesn't mean we aren't interested in such a discussion or its outcome.

[Johnny Mnemonic]

It's a non-problem.  The market will fix it.  Miners will mine the txns with the best fees.

Uh... that's exactly why it is a problem.  If payers have to enter a bidding war to get their transactions included, they might as well go back to fiat.

It's actually flattering that you think this obscure little altcoin is so important as to make this the appropriate venue to debate these important questions, but in reality these exact same issues apply to every single coin based on Satoshi's basic block chain concept, and indeed many will need to address them in practice much sooner than MRO. In fact BCN being twice as fast and two years ahead will confront them much sooner. It is absurd to think this discussion should take place on the thread for every coin to which they apply, because that's all of them.

So I would respectfully request that you guys take it over to the Economics subforum or somewhere else a bit more focused. There are MRO-specific topics to discuss here.

I'm sorry, I was under the impression we actually wanted to do things better than the other coins.  Perhaps it's being discussed here because we think Monero has the potential to solve these problems early and be a leader in providing long-term solutions. How silly of me for being so optimistic.

I'm not saying Monero won't do things better, just that the discussion about what is "better" should take place somewhere else.

Being impartial for a moment here, just take a quick look at the quoted context above. You think one thing is better, aminorex thinks something else. I'm just asking that you take that discussion elsewhere. That doesn't mean we aren't interested in such a discussion or its outcome.

Tacotime said he was going to propose a hard fork to address this very issue. I brought the matter to the Monero thread so our whole community could be aware of it and discuss possible solutions.

Besides, this entire thread is essentially the same questions repeated over and over again:
What's the difference between Monero and BitMonero?
Is there a pool yet?
How is Monero any better than BCN?
Are there any pools yet?
What do these weird messages mean in my miner daemon?
Pool status?

[smooth]

Tacotime said he was going to propose a hard fork to address this very issue. I brought the matter to the Monero thread so our whole community could be aware of it and discuss possible solutions.

That is a fair point. Your comment in response to the specific proposal to set a floor of 1 atomic unit on the subsidy is reasonable.

The problem is that it is certainly clear there is no consensus of what the actual best approach actually is. I would suggest that starting a thread (or continuing) a discussion somewhere more focused on "best practices for structuring long term block chain mining incentives" (which, again, applies to many different coins) and then referencing whatever ideas come out of that discussion is preferable to having that complex debate right here mixed in with people asking question about setting up their wallets.

[smooth]

Besides, this entire thread is essentially the same questions repeated over and over again:

What's the difference between Monero and BitMonero?
Is there a pool yet?
How is Monero any better than BCN?
Are there any pools yet?
What do these weird messages mean in my miner daemon?
Pool status?

Exactly!

This is an announcement thread, for people to learn about this (somewhat) new coin, get help setting it up, post subsequent announcements about new releases, post announcements about other related threads being opened (bounties, exchanges and other new services, polls/discussions, etc.). It is not really a good place for debates about the economics of block chains.

[Johnny Mnemonic]

I was totally joking with that last part.

Tacotime said he was going to propose a hard fork to address this very issue. I brought the matter to the Monero thread so our whole community could be aware of it and discuss possible solutions.

That is a fair point. Your comment in response to the specific proposal to set a floor of 1 atomic unit on the subsidy is reasonable.

The problem is that it is certainly clear there is no consensus of what the actual best approach actually is. I would suggest that starting a thread (or continuing) a discussion somewhere more focused on "best practices for structuring long term block chain mining incentives" (which, again, applies to many different coins) and then referencing whatever ideas come out of that discussion is preferable to having that complex debate right here mixed in with people asking question about setting up their wallets.

I agree completely and withdraw my previous attitude. I thought transparency of the issue would be smart, especially considering interested parties have already been accused of "conspiring" behind the community's back. I also wanted knowledgable followers of the thread to be aware of the issue, especially if they have interest in MRO. I don't mind where the discussion takes place, as long as the people in this thread to know it's taking place.

[smooth]

I was totally joking with that last part.

Tacotime said he was going to propose a hard fork to address this very issue. I brought the matter to the Monero thread so our whole community could be aware of it and discuss possible solutions.

That is a fair point. Your comment in response to the specific proposal to set a floor of 1 atomic unit on the subsidy is reasonable.

The problem is that it is certainly clear there is no consensus of what the actual best approach actually is. I would suggest that starting a thread (or continuing) a discussion somewhere more focused on "best practices for structuring long term block chain mining incentives" (which, again, applies to many different coins) and then referencing whatever ideas come out of that discussion is preferable to having that complex debate right here mixed in with people asking question about setting up their wallets.

I agree completely. However, I thought transparency of the issue would be good, especially considering interested parties have already been accused of "conspiring" behind the community's back. I also wanted knowledgable followers of the thread to be aware of the issue, especially if they have interest in MRO. I'm completely open to relocate the debate.

It is mentioned in the first post, so there should be some awareness

A minimum subsidy may be implemented in the future with <1% inflation to preserve mining incentives

It is certainly reasonable even to reply to that comment and say that you don't think that <1% will be enough. But when it turns into a debate back and forth, complete with references and links in support of each position, it's time to move to a different thread.

EDIT: Keyboard-Mash has taken the liberty of continuing the conversation over in the Monero economy thread. That was originally more about price speculation but price, money supply, and sustainability are certainly related, making that not a terrible place for it.

[georgeandy]

cryptonote.exchange.to
I despoit some BTC to my cryptonote account from my mintpal account .
But I don't get it after about 4 hours..what's the matter?

cryptonote is all manual

Thanks...
So I just need to wait them wake up and back to work~~

[georgeandy]

///If you have waited for more than 1 hour on deposit, contact us. Occasionally cryptonote wallets may freeze and cause further delay due to having to manually reset.///

I already submit a ticket in the support page..Is there any other way to contact  customer service?

[BoscoMurray]

///If you have waited for more than 1 hour on deposit, contact us. Occasionally cryptonote wallets may freeze and cause further delay due to having to manually reset.///

I already submit a ticket in the support page..Is there any other way to contact  customer service?

You are not alone. I have now been waiting 12 hours for a BTC deposit.

There is a thread specifically for this exchange though, so that's probably the best place to be posting https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=605326

[georgeandy]

///If you have waited for more than 1 hour on deposit, contact us. Occasionally cryptonote wallets may freeze and cause further delay due to having to manually reset.///

I already submit a ticket in the support page..Is there any other way to contact  customer service?

You are not alone. I have now been waiting 12 hours for a BTC deposit.

There is a thread specifically for this exchange though, so that's probably the best place to be posting https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=605326

Thanks

[kuno]

Okay, one feature we REALLY need in simplewallet is a command history buffer. It doesn't have to be persistent; it can start with an empty buffer every time. Having to retype things kinda sucks. And I automatically press the up arrow and get garbage that I have to erase.

This works fine in windows. It is broken in linux.

[luckygenough56]

what the current block reward appromarively ? It's kind of foggy to me with that math formula...

[Zosergag]

Apparently all those who were unhappy with this coin gone minig Quazar coin