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May 07, 2014, 02:22:14 PM
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hi,

I really like cryptonotes input. taco, smooth and ezih have been very heplpful. But as an outsider, this is very confusing.
negatives:
1. miner that is closed source by noodle ( is noodle part of the development team). not consistent with fairness, cooperation and being open. more in line with greed. ( I dont think greed is always bad)
2. hasty launch without testing...first to market goal and associated confusion
3. direct copy of bytecoin ( no new features or implementations )
4. mega downloads not working.
5. multiple threads very confusing to new members
6. emission curve not what was originally promised


positives:
1. overall compared to other coins very fair. perhapse another coin would have been implemented that would have been more greedy. ala darkcoin (from what I have read. second hand stuff)
2. smooth, ezih and taco constant presence and patience
3. percieved fairness is demonstrated by increasing HR and community growth.
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Thank you for this synthetic list, it helps much for replying. Let me give some precision:

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1. miner's latest version is closed source because Noodle prefers it to be stable before releasing the source. If will be open-source eventually
2. We wanted MRO to be ready before the Bytecoin ninjamine take the lead. In a way, fast release helped fighting premine. Considering the present hashrate, that was the right strategy
3. not a direct copy, since we changed some parameters, especially related to a flatter curse, for rewarding early adopters less - which means fairer for the greater amount of people. Plus, new features are planned but I prefer to not say which one for the moment. Finally and maybe more importantly: Bytecoin was 80% premined ("ninjamined", as we call it)
4. Consider the monero starter pack. Full of precompiled binaries. Since I am the maintainer, please mention any improvement on it.
5. We apologize for this, we hope this is now getting easier. We asked the Bitcointalk moderators to move the thread, they never answered. Anyway, the more it will go, the more the other Ann will be buried.
6. Can you extrapolate on this one?

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2. Well, I am there too, especially on the freenode IRC channel #monero Smiley

Keep going with such high SNR (signal-to-noise ratio) posts, I like it Smiley

So, considering the present hashrate - Noodle's testing is going really well. When community will gain access to instamine tech? 



Also, what's up with the name changing? Bitmonero was okay to my opinion. (I know, should've asked earlier)
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May 07, 2014, 02:41:31 PM
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So, considering the present hashrate - Noodle's testing is going really well. Grin When community will gain access to instamine tech?


Ah ah! We would like it to be Noodle, but that's not. That's probably a farm (too fast a rise to be organic growth only).
Also, what's up with the name changing? Bitmonero was okay to my opinion. (I know, should've asked earlier)
Most of us did not like bitmonero and so we voted in the early days on a public IRC session. Among arguments were "more than three syllables" and "this bit part is ugly". Plus, but that's just my opinion, monero is like "people's money", whilst bitmonero is like "some new coin" (it could have been worse; imagine "monerocoin!")

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May 07, 2014, 02:46:51 PM
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Have i any chance to get block with i5-2550K@4.5? Hashrate: 14;

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May 07, 2014, 02:49:05 PM
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I was waiting until I saw this graph, but it tells much much more.



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Thank you for this synthetic list, it helps much for replying. Let me give some precision:

Yes, thank you for the list, it makes the best concentration of the lie in this topic. Let me give some precision too.

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1. miner's latest version is closed source because Noodle prefers it to be stable before releasing the source. If will be open-source eventually

Eventually, when your instamine plan is fulfilled and you benefit from the faster emission curve, you will grant the open-source to your slaves. Wow, such generous!

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2. We wanted MRO to be ready before the Bytecoin ninjamine take the lead. In a way, fast release helped fighting premine. Considering the present hashrate, that was the right strategy

You didn't want to do anything, when the coin was created. You always responded as if it was a too early launch, or a creepy-BCN-guys-conspiracy.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.msg6237909#msg6237909

Then when you felt you were left out you decided to overtake the coin and find a way to make a fortune.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582080.msg6364242#msg6364242

"Good point, yeah, we're good, we're nice, but we'll goddamit instamine the shit out of this coin, while nobody sees".

At that time you were more worried about instamining then now, when you made the difficulty skyrocket with your super optimized miners, which we'll never see.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582080.msg6364370#msg6364370

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3. not a direct copy, since we changed some parameters, especially related to a flatter curse, for rewarding early adopters less - which means fairer for the greater amount of people. Plus, new features are planned but I prefer to not say which one for the moment. Finally and maybe more importantly: Bytecoin was 80% premined ("ninjamined", as we call it)

You didn't change anything. It was Thakful_for_today who started the coin:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.0

It was you who forked the rep and took over the control overnight starting from the stupid name change to avoid someone cracking your plans:
https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commits/master

Everything you ever "created" was Instaminer from NoodleDoodle, the rest you took from BMR or BCN code (sorry for the bold)

And you in particular, David, didn't even know how to check your hashrate when the BMR started:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.msg6286721#msg6286721

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4. Consider the monero starter pack. Full of precompiled binaries. Since I am the maintainer, please mention any improvement on it.

Open-source miner.

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5. We apologize for this, we hope this is now getting easier. We asked the Bitcointalk moderators to move the thread, they never answered. Anyway, the more it will go, the more the other Ann will be buried.

You know why they never answered? Because you've created a second topic and decided to steal the control over the coin.


My personal resume on the coin

You never did any damn thing apart from compiling miner guides (thank you for that), and creating an optimized miner to instamine the coin yourself. And yes, you spent hours & hours & hors on this forum just posting bullshit, which will drive more users to your instamined coin.

Congratulations, you've made it! The fair launch was soooo fair!
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May 07, 2014, 02:54:43 PM
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Yes, thank you for the list, it makes the best concentration of the lie in this topic.
Insulting => not going to reply. This has nothing to do with whether insult are justified or not. This is a matter of courtesy, I don't reply to people who resort to insult.
Now, if you apologize for your insult, I will gladly reply.

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May 07, 2014, 02:56:11 PM
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My wallet cannot open. I run it and it quitted quickly.  I use window.
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May 07, 2014, 02:57:15 PM
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My wallet cannot open. I run it and it quitted quickly.  I use window.
Sorry, I do not use Windows so I cannot help you. Certainly someone else will Smiley

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May 07, 2014, 02:57:59 PM
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My wallet cannot open. I run it and it quitted quickly.  I use window.

Are you on a 64 bit or 32 bit system?
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Last edit: May 07, 2014, 03:10:17 PM by GreekBitcoin
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I guess if bytecoin guys give a fuck about community and tft actually responded to what people say he wouldnt lose control of a coin so miserably as it seems he deserves.

All you guys wanted to do was to get attention to bytecoin by creating another coin and MM on its blockchain. It looks like you failed because people got the point quite easily. Thats why he lost control. Why the fuck anyone would like to merge mine with a 80% premined coin that devs playing hide and seek on tor?

You have your fantomcoin now. Hope it succeeds. Go make people mine it hoping it will drag bytecoin upwards...


Edit: I am sorry for being aggresive but i hate premine
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May 07, 2014, 03:00:20 PM
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Yes, thank you for the list, it makes the best concentration of the lie in this topic.
Insulting => not going to reply. This has nothing to do with whether insult are justified or not. This is a matter of courtesy, I don't reply to people who resort to insult.
Now, if you apologize for your insult, I will gladly reply.

May I apologize for calling a scammer a scammer. Or you were insulted by the fact you didn't know how to check hash rate? I'm very very sorry.

I am insulted by the way you treat your "community".

Now will you stop winning time and start explaining?
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Yes, thank you for the list, it makes the best concentration of the lie in this topic.
Insulting => not going to reply. This has nothing to do with whether insult are justified or not. This is a matter of courtesy, I don't reply to people who resort to insult.
Now, if you apologize for your insult, I will gladly reply.

May I apologize for calling a scammer a scammer. Or you were insulted by the fact you didn't know how to check hash rate? I'm very very sorry.

I am insulted by the way you treat your "community".

Now will you stop winning time and start explaining?

It's rather bizarre that you're calling this an "instamine" scam when you're so fervently supporting BCN, which was mined 80% before entering the clearnet.  Difficulty adjustments are per block, so there is no possibility of an instamine unless you don't publish your blockchain (emission is regular at the preset interval, and scales adequately with the network hash rate).  What you're accusing monero of is exactly what ByteCoin did.

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May 07, 2014, 03:02:39 PM
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interesting…I will keep one eye on MRO, keep working dev(:
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May 07, 2014, 03:12:59 PM
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I guess if bytecoin guys give a fuck about community and tft actually responded to what people say he wouldnt lose control of a coin so miserably as it seems he deserves.


That's so rude of you, man.

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It's rather bizarre that you're calling this an "instamine" scam when you're so fervently supporting BCN, which was mined 80% before entering the clearnet.  Difficulty adjustments are per block, so there is no possibility of an instamine unless you don't publish your blockchain (emission is regular at the preset interval, and scales adequately with the network hash rate). 

I'm not supporting BCN for a couple of months, I was merely focused on finding the source of CryptoNote technology and playing around with the riddles. Go check it yourself.

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What you're accusing monero of is exactly what ByteCoin did.

You've got my point, great!

Because you're doing the very same thing trying to conceal it under the good intentions... apart from the fact that you didn't even make any significant contribution to the coin yourself.
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May 07, 2014, 03:14:08 PM
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Edit: I am sorry for being aggresive but i hate premine

In favor of instamine, may I ask? Smiley
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May 07, 2014, 03:21:25 PM
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I guess if bytecoin guys give a fuck about community and tft actually responded to what people say he wouldnt lose control of a coin so miserably as it seems he deserves.


That's so rude of you, man.


Yes man its rude. I know.  But from the start this was exackly what i saw you doing. Instead of creating a coin that could be great you just wanted to make bytecoin's price rise.
And then when community didnt want merge mining you just disappeared...


Edit: I am sorry for being aggresive but i hate premine

In favor of instamine, may I ask? Smiley


Wasnt tft that made the mistake with the curve? I may be wrong here but i think it was tft's mistake that the coin is being mined faster than proposed...And voices were heard that it wasnt a mistake...

And you know what, no i dont like instamine. I prefer it 10 times over premine. Make a coin with no premine and no instamine and i will support it with my full power. Seriously.

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I guess if bytecoin guys give a fuck about community and tft actually responded to what people say he wouldnt lose control of a coin so miserably as it seems he deserves.


That's so rude of you, man.


Yes man its rude. I know.  But from the start this was exackly what i saw you doing. Instead of creating a coin that could be great you just wanted to make bytecoin's price rise.
And then when community didnt want merge mining you just disappeared...


Edit: I am sorry for being aggresive but i hate premine

In favor of instamine, may I ask? Smiley


Wasnt tft that made the mistake with the curve? I may be wrong here but i think it was tft's mistake that the coin is being mined faster than proposed...And voices were heard that it wasnt a mistake...

And you know what, no i dont like instamine. I prefer it 10 times over premine. Make a coin with no premine and no instamine and i will support it with my full power. Seriously.



There is no instamine. Difficulty adjustment is per block.  Blocks are coming in at almost the same rate they were a few days ago. Instamine refers to setting block reward artificially high or difficulty artificially low at the start of the chain, which has never happened with this coin.

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May 07, 2014, 03:24:43 PM
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And you know what, no i dont like instamine. I prefer it 10 times over premine. Make a coin with no premine and no instamine and i will support it with my full power. Seriously.
Add to the list: "No IPO" (although I participated in the NEM IPO, a lucky shot, I guess - I would probably not participate in an IPO today, I learnt since then).

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May 07, 2014, 03:27:05 PM
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I guess if bytecoin guys give a fuck about community and tft actually responded to what people say he wouldnt lose control of a coin so miserably as it seems he deserves.


That's so rude of you, man.


Yes man its rude. I know.  But from the start this was exackly what i saw you doing. Instead of creating a coin that could be great you just wanted to make bytecoin's price rise.
And then when community didnt want merge mining you just disappeared...


Edit: I am sorry for being aggresive but i hate premine

In favor of instamine, may I ask? Smiley


Wasnt tft that made the mistake with the curve? I may be wrong here but i think it was tft's mistake that the coin is being mined faster than proposed...And voices were heard that it wasnt a mistake...

And you know what, no i dont like instamine. I prefer it 10 times over premine. Make a coin with no premine and no instamine and i will support it with my full power. Seriously.



There is no instamine. Difficulty adjustment is per block.  Blocks are coming in at almost the same rate they were a few days ago. Instamine refers to setting block reward artificially high or difficulty artificially low at the start of the chain, which has never happened with this coin.

some people are calling instamining the face that we will have all coins out at 8 years instead of following bitcoin's...
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Wasnt tft that made the mistake with the curve? I may be wrong here but i think it was tft's mistake that the coin is being mined faster than proposed...And voices were heard that it wasnt a mistake...

And you know what, no i dont like instamine. I prefer it 10 times over premine. Make a coin with no premine and no instamine and i will support it with my full power. Seriously.

Then you'd better start asking the very same questions to the self-proclaimed "authors" of the BMR/MRO.

There is no instamine. Difficulty adjustment is per block.  Blocks are coming in at almost the same rate they were a few days ago. Instamine refers to setting block reward artificially high or difficulty artificially low at the start of the chain, which has never happened with this coin.

Yeah, "no instamine, no arguments".

How do you explain this raise? How do I know you don't secretly mine the coin with ultra-optimized miner. I'd like to see my points answered.

Just to remind you:

I was waiting until I saw this graph, but it tells much much more.



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Thank you for this synthetic list, it helps much for replying. Let me give some precision:

Yes, thank you for the list, it makes the best concentration of the lie in this topic. Let me give some precision too.

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1. miner's latest version is closed source because Noodle prefers it to be stable before releasing the source. If will be open-source eventually

Eventually, when your instamine plan is fulfilled and you benefit from the faster emission curve, you will grant the open-source to your slaves. Wow, such generous!

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2. We wanted MRO to be ready before the Bytecoin ninjamine take the lead. In a way, fast release helped fighting premine. Considering the present hashrate, that was the right strategy

You didn't want to do anything, when the coin was created. You always responded as if it was a too early launch, or a creepy-BCN-guys-conspiracy.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.msg6237909#msg6237909

Then when you felt you were left out you decided to overtake the coin and find a way to make a fortune.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582080.msg6364242#msg6364242

"Good point, yeah, we're good, we're nice, but we'll goddamit instamine the shit out of this coin, while nobody sees".

At that time you were more worried about instamining then now, when you made the difficulty skyrocket with your super optimized miners, which we'll never see.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582080.msg6364370#msg6364370

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3. not a direct copy, since we changed some parameters, especially related to a flatter curse, for rewarding early adopters less - which means fairer for the greater amount of people. Plus, new features are planned but I prefer to not say which one for the moment. Finally and maybe more importantly: Bytecoin was 80% premined ("ninjamined", as we call it)

You didn't change anything. It was Thakful_for_today who started the coin:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.0

It was you who forked the rep and took over the control overnight starting from the stupid name change to avoid someone cracking your plans:
https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commits/master

Everything you ever "created" was Instaminer from NoodleDoodle, the rest you took from BMR or BCN code (sorry for the bold)

And you in particular, David, didn't even know how to check your hashrate when the BMR started:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.msg6286721#msg6286721

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4. Consider the monero starter pack. Full of precompiled binaries. Since I am the maintainer, please mention any improvement on it.

Open-source miner.

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5. We apologize for this, we hope this is now getting easier. We asked the Bitcointalk moderators to move the thread, they never answered. Anyway, the more it will go, the more the other Ann will be buried.

You know why they never answered? Because you've created a second topic and decided to steal the control over the coin.


My personal resume on the coin

You never did any damn thing apart from compiling miner guides (thank you for that), and creating an optimized miner to instamine the coin yourself. And yes, you spent hours & hours & hors on this forum just posting bullshit, which will drive more users to your instamined coin.

Congratulations, you've made it! The fair launch was soooo fair!

Thank you.
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