[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[smooth]

How about a software upgrade where the software client replaces any user generated transaction's mixin parameter with 3, if the user does not enter a mixin or if mixin is less than 3

This will not require a hard fork.


I was looking at simplewallet.cpp but I'm not sure exactly where the code change would be https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/blob/master/src/simplewallet/simplewallet.cpp

You could implement something like that around line 1077, which is where fake_outs_count gets parsed from the transfer command.

However, it is a bit more complex to do right because there are cases where it is impossible to mix because there aren't enough outputs of the same size. This mostly happens with dust-type outputs but can also happen with large amounts. So in that case (maybe after a few tries because sometimes that helps) you would want to reduce the mix factor, maybe after getting confirmation from the user.

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[generalizethis]

I think we tend to see less completely blind bitcoiners "bitcoin is completely fungible and anonymous" as before. But more and more "if you take sufficient precautions, you can hide your traces". Basically they're saying "if *I* can't trace something, therefore *nobody else* can, now and forever". Which is surprisingly naive.

Btw, we must be careful, I fear soon enough we'll see some "if you don't do evil, bitcoin is sufficiently private", which is a dangerous line of thoughts.

Thanks BinaryFate and Smooth, good lessons in the minutia of fungibility.

[dreamspark]

I think we tend to see less completely blind bitcoiners "bitcoin is completely fungible and anonymous" as before. But more and more "if you take sufficient precautions, you can hide your traces". Basically they're saying "if *I* can't trace something, therefore *nobody else* can, now and forever". Which is surprisingly naive.

Btw, we must be careful, I fear soon enough we'll see some "if you don't do evil, bitcoin is sufficiently private", which is a dangerous line of thoughts.

Just want re-iterate the bold part. The "if your doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide" is the tosh that the governments have been feeding the masses for years in their bid for mass surveillance, a global government and  police states.

[bclcjunkie]

next wave of investments will be towards bitcoin blockchain tracking and analytics for sure...

err.. this is getting a bit obvious now, to not say ridiculous: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uin7s/former_nsa_intelligence_agent_raises_nearly_1/

[generalizethis]

next wave of investments will be towards bitcoin blockchain tracking and analytics for sure...

err.. this is getting a bit obvious now, to not say ridiculous: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uin7s/former_nsa_intelligence_agent_raises_nearly_1/

r/bitcoin, "But I really, really, really want Bitcoin to be anonymous. Did I mention really?"

[pa]

next wave of investments will be towards bitcoin blockchain tracking and analytics for sure...

err.. this is getting a bit obvious now, to not say ridiculous: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uin7s/former_nsa_intelligence_agent_raises_nearly_1/

r/bitcoin, "But I really, really, really want Bitcoin to be anonymous. Did I mention really?"

Bitcoin and Monero will play the Good Cop and the Bad Cop, respectively, for the global oligarchy, and vice versa, for the rest of us.

[btell]

fluffypony & David Latapie & all the core team, may be you find this interesting:

Sophia is an embeddable, transactional key-value database.

It has unique architecture that was created as a result of research and reconsideration primary algorithmic constraints of Log-file based data structures, such as LSM-tree. (see architecture)

Sophia is designed for fast write (append-only) and read (range query-optimized, adaptive architecture) small to medium-sized key-values.
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* Full ACID compliancy

* Multi-Version Concurrency Control (MVCC) engine

* Pure Append-Only

* Multi-databases support (Single environment and WAL)

* Multi-Statement and Single-Statement Transactions (SERIALIZED view, multi-databases)

* Multi-threaded (Client access and Engine scalability)

* Consistent Cursors

* Point-in-Time Snapshots

* Asynchronous Online/Hot Backup

* Easy to use (Clean and functional API)

* Easy to integrate (Native support of using as storage engine)

* Easy to write bindings (FFI-friendly, API designed to be stable in future)

* Easy to built-in (Amalgamated, only two C files needed for work)

* Implemented as small C-written library with zero dependencies

* BSD Licensed

http://sphia.org/

[GingerAle]

ZERO DEPENDENCIES!!! music to my ears.

[David Latapie]

To foster donation to the development fund, you can add donate.monero.cc to you signature (without a hyperlink).
But what is people mistake it for a URL?
Now they'll have a landing page: donate.monero.cc

(yes, I know, it is raw. This is on purpose)

Depending on when you'll read this, the page may not be ready yet. Meanwhile, you can preview it here: http://monero.cc/donate

Eventually, there might be a real page, but nothing for sure - donation page might be better somewhere else.

[nakaone]

next wave of investments will be towards bitcoin blockchain tracking and analytics for sure...

err.. this is getting a bit obvious now, to not say ridiculous: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uin7s/former_nsa_intelligence_agent_raises_nearly_1/

the big question is if they find an equilibrium between consumer protection and not-leading-into-a-fungibility-crisis.

I do not know if bitcoin survives the next 10-15 years but it is leading into a completely different direction than it was once thought of.

If that is for the good or the bad of mass adoption - we will see.

[binaryFate]

Cross posting David's post:

i registered because i see the patern, we are still largely ignored, monero is fundamentally better than bitcoin but still ignored by everybody.

Well, let's see who is speaking high of Monero or CryptoNote in general and has some reputation.

• At least one Core Bitcoin developer
• Andrew Poelstra, respected cryptographer and prominent Bitcoin developer (most extensive example)
• Nicolas Courtois, academic cryptographer, 8 patents (most extensive example)
• Risto Pietila, Bitcoin millionaire (most extensive example)
• Theymos, Bitcointalk founder (most extensive example)
• apparently, a sizeable part of dark markets
• probably a lot I forgot

I've seen worse ignorance.

More information: Why Monero matters, The Three Pillars of Monero

[kazuki49]

Cross posting David's post:

Well, let's see who is speaking high of Monero or CryptoNote in general and has some reputation.

• Gregory Maxwell, Core Bitcoin developer
• Andrew Poelstra, respected cryptographer and prominent Bitcoin developer (most extensive example)
• Nicolas Courtois, academic cryptographer, 8 patents (most extensive example)
• Risto Pietila, Bitcoin millionaire (most extensive example)
• Theymos, Bitcointalk founder (most extensive example)
• apparently, a sizeable part of dark markets
• probably a lot I forgot

I've seen worse ignorance.

More information: Why Monero matters, The Three Pillars of Monero

Good post, didn't know Monero already passed the "peer-review" finals.

[Drhiggins]

So when running a node does it auto store the block chain every 12 hours?
 

[smooth]

So when running a node does it auto store the block chain every 12 hours?

Yes or when you exit or type save

[Drhiggins]

So is there an estimates of how many nodes are out there on the network?  I assume a mining pool acts as a node. So if you are running simple wallet and daemon, does that act as a node, or do you have to have the daemon ports forwarded to be a true node.

 

[smooth]

So is there an estimates of how many nodes are out there on the network?  I assume a mining pool acts as a node. So if you are running simple wallet and daemon, does that act as a node, or do you have to have the daemon ports forwarded to be a true node.

Any daemon is a node, so anyone using the standard daemon+simplewallet is running a node. Every pool has at least one node, but many have >1, same with exchanges. Anyone solo mining is certainly running a node.

There are quite a few nodes, very likely >1000. You can see that in the whitelist size which counts nodes that have successfully connected recently and is capped at 1000, and doesn't include all of them.

[Hueristic]

Have a great SuperBowl day guys!

To you too. I wish they won't run it on a Saturday afternoon in the US, as that makes it the night to Monday for Europe and Africa, which is just very inconvenient. Why not Saturday afternoon?

Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Idunno?

OK, Too lazy to setup irc for tiperino, So any Seahawk fan that I trust wants to bet with me on superbowl?

I have 700 XMR and will put it on my pats straight up. No lines no gambling adjustments just straight up winner take all.

Have a great SuperBowl day guys!

well I don't know much about handegg, but I'd be willing to bet 100XMR on the seahawks 

deal?

Well I don't know you but your a hero member with no neg so I don't see why I can't take your word.

Your on, GL and Just an FYI, I called Wilson as a most underrated probable great in his rookie year (When everyone else was Keapernick crazy) because he's one smart bastard!


gonna be a great game.

Anyone else speak up soon as I'll be leaving in an hour or so.

600 XMR left

ok, cool. gl dude! 

btw. since I'm in germany don't be surprised if I won't be online directly after the game, pretty sure I'll fall asleep while watching.

I'll be at casino for who knows how long so I will take awhile to pay as well. I'll be back sometime between tonight and Friday depending on how the Poker tables are treating me.

congrats dude!  shall I use the address in your signature to send the funds too?

What a sick ending! did you watch it? I'll double check my address when I get home. It may be earlier rather than later, a guy hit a straight flush on me for 2k then i lost a ton on set over set.

[ArticMine]

There is a new public document from the SK trial, its an interesting reading if anyone has the time, heres the part the caught my attention:

This is true even with rega
rd to the testimony regarding the evidence
supporting an inference that Bitcoins on
the Silk Road servers were transferred to
Ulbricht’s laptop. The defense opened on
a theory that the Bitcoins in Ulbricht’s
possession were from some sort of Bitcoi
n speculation (and, thus, not connected to
Silk Road). It was reasonable to expect
that defendant had performed the very
comparison the Government then scrambled to perform. That the Government
presented the facts of such a comparison
is nothing more than meeting a defense
argument. It would have been surprising
had the Government not done this. Thus,
the facts as to what Bitcoins—a highly
traceable digital currency—were on the Silk
Road servers, and whether there was a factua
l basis to infer transfer to Ulbricht’s
laptop, was a door the defens
e opened at the outset.

http://ia600603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.173.0.pdf

these are the words from the federal judge btw

We must keep in mind here that the government has both the sending and receiving computers and the corresponding secret keys for both the sending and receiving wallets. They are trying in this situation to link the coins that were sent from the SR servers to the coins in the defendant's computer. My thought is that replacing XBT with XMR would not help the defendant in this situation since in the XMR case the government would still be able to use the corresponding view keys to provide evidence of the transactions to the court. This is actually quite properly by design.

[generalizethis]

We must keep in mind here that the government has both the sending and receiving computers and the corresponding secret keys for both the sending and receiving wallets. They are trying in this situation to link the coins that were sent from the SR servers to the coins in the defendant's computer. My thought is that replacing XBT with XMR would not help the defendant in this situation since in the XMR case the government would still be able to use the corresponding view keys to provide evidence of the transactions to the court. This is actually quite properly by design.

yes, and if you are dumb enough to compromise your own private key and crimonous enough to be involved with drugs and potential murder, you deserve this fate.

edit: can I make suggestion for the title of the next mixxives?: Monero: Tropical disease and Monero: Twitch of the nerve  

Jeeze, some of the comments are straight from the r/buttcoin playbook.

[smooth]

We must keep in mind here that the government has both the sending and receiving computers and the corresponding secret keys for both the sending and receiving wallets. They are trying in this situation to link the coins that were sent from the SR servers to the coins in the defendant's computer. My thought is that replacing XBT with XMR would not help the defendant in this situation since in the XMR case the government would still be able to use the corresponding view keys to provide evidence of the transactions to the court. This is actually quite properly by design.

yes, and if you are dumb enough to compromise your own private key and crimonous enough to be involved with drugs and potential murder, you deserve this fate.

edit: can I make suggestion for the title of the next mixxives?: Monero: Tropical disease and Monero: Twitch of the nerve 

Don't let the trolls get you down. rikkejohn, especially, has been trolling us almost since the very beginning. I have no idea why.

If you have something to say that is relevant and on topic, stand your ground. Retreating/containing yourself to the Monero threads is both unnecessary and giving the bullies exactly what they want. Some of them are irrationally hostile to alts but some are just putting a bit of pressure on you to see if you and your claims hold up. It not even personal or directed against Monero necessarily, they've seen a lot of scams come and go so they are naturally skeptical.

At the same time I'm not a fan of trying to direct a hard sell to hostile audience. It is usually not the most effective approach. When outnumbered and facing strong opposition, engage in unconventional warfare.