[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[Hueristic]

A great 'killer' Monero app would be a centralized web wallet/mobile app that allows you to send XMR to any email address or phone number, whether they have a wallet setup or not. The recipient would get a notification that they received a payment, and can simply login from that device or email to claim it. Easy peasy.

It's basically a cryptocurrency version of Paypal/Venmo. Centralized, yes, but a dead easy way for people to get their feet wet and send some XMR to friends who wouldn't otherwise be inclined to learn about it. I don't know a lot of people who would turn down money, even if it's the magical internet type.

This is a great idea.  It reaches outside our world nicely.

So something just like what bitcoin did with this? https://www.moneypacket.org/ https://github.com/woodser/moneypacket.org Im on board.... we need funding for this or what? Ill throw some moneroj to whoever wants to tackle this!

That is a very cool idea.

That moneypacket thing...
I thought emails go in cleartext... so putting the password in the same email that has the moneypacket attachment would be dangerous.  The sender needs to use a second communications channel to transmit the password.

Moneypacket is interesting, but I agree passwords in clear text is not such a good idea. What I suggested requires control of the email account. If I send 1 XMR to abc123@hotmail.com, the receiver would get an email saying he received a payment, and to log into his account (or create one) with that email verified. Obviously within the system you'd be able to link multiple email accounts or phone numbers that belong to you.

Am I missing something or can't you just use encrypted email?

Once again why Zcash unknown ammount of coins is a bad idea (design).

Zcoin was attacked due to bug in code and 370k coins were created and sold for about $500k.
Similar bug in Zcash would go unnoticed due to imposibility to check total amount of coins in existence.
https://zcoin.io/language/en/important-announcement-zerocoin-implementation-bug/

LOL, Called it.

[Johnny Mnemonic]

That moneypacket thing...
I thought emails go in cleartext... so putting the password in the same email that has the moneypacket attachment would be dangerous.  The sender needs to use a second communications channel to transmit the password.

Moneypacket is interesting, but I agree passwords in clear text is not such a good idea. What I suggested requires control of the email account. If I send 1 XMR to abc123@hotmail.com, the receiver would get an email saying he received a payment, and to log into his account (or create one) with that email verified. Obviously within the system you'd be able to link multiple email accounts or phone numbers that belong to you.

Am I missing something or can't you just use encrypted email?

Sure, but such a requirement would defeat the purpose of the service (accessibility to non-tech-savvy or privacy oriented individuals).

It's not necessary though, as eavesdropping alone wouldn't give you access to funds. Plus, being a centralized service allows for additional security measures that the normies love, like trivial reversals of in-network transactions.

[Hueristic]

That moneypacket thing...
I thought emails go in cleartext... so putting the password in the same email that has the moneypacket attachment would be dangerous.  The sender needs to use a second communications channel to transmit the password.

Moneypacket is interesting, but I agree passwords in clear text is not such a good idea. What I suggested requires control of the email account. If I send 1 XMR to abc123@hotmail.com, the receiver would get an email saying he received a payment, and to log into his account (or create one) with that email verified. Obviously within the system you'd be able to link multiple email accounts or phone numbers that belong to you.

Am I missing something or can't you just use encrypted email?

Sure, but such a requirement would defeat the purpose of the service (accessibility to non-tech-savvy or privacy oriented individuals).

It's not necessary though, as eavesdropping alone wouldn't give you access to funds. Plus, being a centralized service allows for additional security measures that the normies love, like trivial reversals of in-network transactions.

There are many encrypted website style email services.

[Johnny Mnemonic]

Yes, I understand that.

Expecting regular people to switch email providers just so I can send them a few XMR to play with defeats the purpose of the service.

The whole point is for it to work with everyone's existing email and phone number. They can receive payments without even knowing about the service.

[munteanudoru]

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[Millionero]

The priorities of the members of this forum, their security measures, their recognition of the risk factors in crypto, etc are not shared by the public at large.
There are lots of people, even today, who have never even heard of bitcoin.  I've met such people.
It's going to require thinking outside the geek box to bring the public into crypto.  What you know about crypto security is less important than what you know about human nature, because less than one percent of the population is ever going to do anything demanding like use gpg.   

[Hueristic]

Yes, I understand that.

Expecting regular people to switch email providers just so I can send them a few XMR to play with defeats the purpose of the service.

The whole point is for it to work with everyone's existing email and phone number. They can receive payments without even knowing about the service.

Yup just like everyone that uses fagbook has privacy. :rolleyes:

You have to go the extra mile, that will never change period.

[Alexoz]

Monero is holding well but we will see a better entry point soon! Bitcoin Black swan event!!!

[Johnny Mnemonic]

Yes, I understand that.

Expecting regular people to switch email providers just so I can send them a few XMR to play with defeats the purpose of the service.

The whole point is for it to work with everyone's existing email and phone number. They can receive payments without even knowing about the service.

Yup just like everyone that uses fagbook has privacy. :rolleyes:

You have to go the extra mile, that will never change period.

I'm not sure what your point is. Maybe you didn't see upthread where I mentioned the intent was to attract people who aren't otherwise interested in privacy or crypto. It has nothing to do with privacy. It would just be an easy way to send money to friends.

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[Andretti83]

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62.6 MH/s (https://moneropool.com/)

Hashrate history (http://monero.net/xmr_network.html)

Edit: almost doubled in last 3 months.

[Hueristic]

Yes, I understand that.

Expecting regular people to switch email providers just so I can send them a few XMR to play with defeats the purpose of the service.

The whole point is for it to work with everyone's existing email and phone number. They can receive payments without even knowing about the service.

Yup just like everyone that uses fagbook has privacy. :rolleyes:

You have to go the extra mile, that will never change period.

I'm not sure what your point is. Maybe you didn't see upthread where I mentioned the intent was to attract people who aren't otherwise interested in privacy or crypto. It has nothing to do with privacy. It would just be an easy way to send money to friends.

What I'm saying is you are asking for two incomparable things, there is no way for anyone to get anything private in their regular email but that is what you say we need to provide. It just cannot be done. The amount of privacy you have is inversely proportional the the ease of use. Doing what you ask is akin to using a web wallet which is fine if you only send/store small amounts. But for true security and max privacy that setup cannot exist with the mass used email services. That is my point.


My reply's were from this, not from this side discussion, apparently we are in agreement that it cannot be done unless you allow your privacy to become compromised.

Quote from: Johnny Mnemonic on February 17, 2017, 02:12:38 PM
Quote from: kellrobinson on February 17, 2017, 09:09:07 AM
That moneypacket thing...
I thought emails go in cleartext... so putting the password in the same email that has the moneypacket attachment would be dangerous.  The sender needs to use a second communications channel to transmit the password.

Moneypacket is interesting, but I agree passwords in clear text is not such a good idea. What I suggested requires control of the email account. If I send 1 XMR to abc123@hotmail.com, the receiver would get an email saying he received a payment, and to log into his account (or create one) with that email verified. Obviously within the system you'd be able to link multiple email accounts or phone numbers that belong to you.

[PremiumCodeX]

Nobody is moving anything. The comment/link in the OP is out of date. At one time (years ago) this thread was the only place to discuss Monero, and people wanted something more Monero-focused and flexible (for example a platform to implement Monero-based crowdfunding), so that was the focus of the "move". That happened long ago, and at this point, people just discuss Monero all over the place (here, reddit, twitter, monero forum, IRC, slack, telegram, etc., etc.)

Yes, that is what I meant by "move". So, it is not really move, but spreading to other platforms as well. I have no argument against spreading the discussion to other platforms too and I welcome the fact BCT is still among these platforms. Who are the Monero developers in this forum, by the way? We all know, this platform has a kind of spaghetti view, but I want to know what answers are "official" and what are not.

[Hueristic]

Nobody is moving anything. The comment/link in the OP is out of date. At one time (years ago) this thread was the only place to discuss Monero, and people wanted something more Monero-focused and flexible (for example a platform to implement Monero-based crowdfunding), so that was the focus of the "move". That happened long ago, and at this point, people just discuss Monero all over the place (here, reddit, twitter, monero forum, IRC, slack, telegram, etc., etc.)

Yes, that is what I meant by "move". So, it is not really move, but spreading to other platforms as well. I have no argument against spreading the discussion to other platforms too and I welcome the fact BCT is still among these platforms. Who are the Monero developers in this forum, by the way? We all know, this platform has a kind of spaghetti view, but I want to know what answers are "official" and what are not.

Smooth is an official Dev.

[smooth]

Nobody is moving anything. The comment/link in the OP is out of date. At one time (years ago) this thread was the only place to discuss Monero, and people wanted something more Monero-focused and flexible (for example a platform to implement Monero-based crowdfunding), so that was the focus of the "move". That happened long ago, and at this point, people just discuss Monero all over the place (here, reddit, twitter, monero forum, IRC, slack, telegram, etc., etc.)

Yes, that is what I meant by "move". So, it is not really move, but spreading to other platforms as well. I have no argument against spreading the discussion to other platforms too and I welcome the fact BCT is still among these platforms. Who are the Monero developers in this forum, by the way? We all know, this platform has a kind of spaghetti view, but I want to know what answers are "official" and what are not.

Smooth is an official Dev.

Some more names are here: https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/people

[Hueristic]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8JLBq4xoAw

[munteanudoru]

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can you give a feedback for this new monero project ?
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[racminer]

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[dEBRUYNE]

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