[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[jpcfan]

can't we all just get along-rodney king



after being beaten by batons

[DrkLvr_]

I've remained mostly silent recently because I did not want to overly influence the communities discussion with my own personal opinions.

Respectfully, there's a fine line between wanting to "not overly influence" and just a lack of leadership. You've been asked by a few people to clarify your proposal and couldn't even be bothered to acknowledge let alone respond.

[SuperClam]

I've remained mostly silent recently because I did not want to overly influence the communities discussion with my own personal opinions.

Respectfully, there's a fine line between wanting to "not overly influence" and just a lack of leadership. You've been asked by a few people to clarify your proposal and couldn't even be bothered to acknowledge let alone respond.

Last I checked, the rules of this network lends it to being consensus driven; not "leadership" driven.
"Leadership" would only be worth listening to if it came attached to a pull-request or release of the client.
At which point, users either update - or not.

That is how this ship sails.
And how it should sail.


My larger proposal isn't fully fleshed out and ready to be implemented.
Questions concerning them asked by others involved with the project have been mostly answered over personal channels.

Didn't think in-depth discussion of the parameters was helpful considering that the parameters will almost certainly change.
If you have a specific question, I would be happy to answer it to the best of my ability.

[therealabagail]

my 2 cents; in cryptoland history there have been many hacks/scandals/defunkt sites with many account holders and the crypto community being screwed. More whale diggers with the data from those hacked/scandal/defunkt sites might turn up in the future screwing the crypto community over a second time. As long as the risk remains that more whale diggers might turn up in the future, more investors will leave clam than new investors join. I say let's have a vote and i vote for the halving option so current investors don't have to be afraid their investment melts like snow in the sun any time a new whale digger turns up. With halving people can still dig and clam can still state "perhaps you own some already".
   

[doothewop]

With halving people can still dig and clam can still state "perhaps you own some already".

Yeah, I like the halving idea, if anything.

[DrkLvr_]

I've remained mostly silent recently because I did not want to overly influence the communities discussion with my own personal opinions.

Respectfully, there's a fine line between wanting to "not overly influence" and just a lack of leadership. You've been asked by a few people to clarify your proposal and couldn't even be bothered to acknowledge let alone respond.

Last I checked, the rules of this network lends it to being consensus driven; not "leadership" driven.
"Leadership" would only be worth listening to if it came attached to a pull-request or release of the client.
At which point, users either update - or not.

That is how this ship sails.
And how it should sail.


My larger proposal isn't fully fleshed out and ready to be implemented.
Questions concerning them asked by others involved with the project have been mostly answered over personal channels.

Didn't think in-depth discussion of the parameters was helpful considering that the parameters will almost certainly change.
If you have a specific question, I would be happy to answer it to the best of my ability.

An idealistic notion.. but a ship with no one at the helm sinks.


 

[P-Funk]

Is there anyone who thinks we should leave digging just as it is now even if the majority of CLAM holders want it to be changed?

Hi dooglus, in my opinion the proposal i put forth on the previous page for a halving in May 2016 (with subsequent halvings twice the number of years after the previous one) was the simplest and least drastic change of all options so far - and it hasn't had even a single person saying they thought it was a good idea.

Maybe i'm wrong, but at this point it looks to me like the majority of CLAM holders want things to stay exactly as they are (as long as there are no immediate security concerns)

I like your proposal a lot. I proposed something similar about a month ago (only with 1.5 year halvings starting soon and no doubling of the interval years) but I think yours is better because the proposed fork is 6 months into the future, giving anyone who currently would like to dig their clams plenty of time, and giving plenty of time for developing and testing the change. I like the doubling of the halving intervals a lot as well, as the value won't go down very quickly.

[smooth]

The offensive language and behavior in the thread has gotten out of hand, however.

Apologize for the use of offensive language. It is just my normal style of writing and was not intended to offend anyone, but now that I have been asked to avoid it on this thread I will abide.

[SuperClam]

The offensive language and behavior in the thread has gotten out of hand, however.

Apologize for the use of offensive language. It is just my normal style of writing and was not intended to offend anyone, but now that I have been asked to avoid it on this thread I will abide.

I don't think you were a particularly egregious offender

Just trying to get the tone and focus of the thread back on to a productive track - as opposed to personal attacks.

[uvwvj]

I am still digging bitches working dakly to ruin the clams

[SuperClam]

I am still digging bitches working dakly to ruin the clams

Still trolling as well, I see

I would have thought after months, or even years, you would have given up.

Commitment.  I like it.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

The offensive language and behavior in the thread has gotten out of hand, however.

Apologize for the use of offensive language. It is just my normal style of writing and was not intended to offend anyone, but now that I have been asked to avoid it on this thread I will abide.

The Dude abides.

[BayAreaCoins]

It looks like BayAreaCoins is trying to compromise Doog and convince audience that CLAM is a dead-end project.

I think CLAM has a bright future if it doesn't get fucked along the way by people and their emotions in their trades.  I just think changing the core of CLAM in order to protect current holders against the main thing that made CLAM special is silly and greedy.

BAC acts himself like a person who wish to somehow affect the stock price. Recently he kindly adviced to sell CLAMs but I bet he didn't sell any one of his own.

I don't give a fuck about CLAM price.  I buy Clamcoins at a flat rate regardless of shitcoin markets.

I sold all my CLAM a while ago.  We sell when it is profitable, stake when it isn't and try to keep the faucets full for the fauceters.

More of that, as an owner of a faucet, he's obviously a person who's highly interested in manipulating the stock price.  

Not sure what owning faucets and manipulating prices have to do with each other.

My prices are static and have nothing to do with market price.

I also own & moderate:  www.Clamcoin.org ,  www.ClamcoinFaucets.com ,  www.FreeClam.com , www.FreeClamcoin.com ,  www.ClamChecker.com ,  Mod on /r/Clamcoin ,  Mod on /r/ClamClient , Mod on IRC @Clamcoin

The last BTC rally made most of the forks' price to go down ratebly. It's obvious that there's not many ways to influence on the CLAM price, so the simplest and most effective way to do that is to start booming on this board and in JD chat with highly emotional expressive messages.  

I give close to no fucks about CLAM going up or down as indicated above.  CLAM up is better than CLAM down obviously.

I am still digging bitches working dakly to ruin the clams

Still trolling as well, I see

I would have thought after months, or even years, you would have given up.

Commitment.  I like it.

I'd say there is a reasonable chance uvwvj really does know the digger or is assisting.

I'm sure the forum he mods has a FUCK ton of Clamcoins yet to dig I'd bet.

[dooglus]

I think CLAM has a bright future if it doesn't get fucked along the way by people and their emotions in their trades.  I just think changing the core of CLAM in order to protect current holders against the main thing that made CLAM special is silly and greedy.

So would you prefer not to have the current holders be allowed to vote for what they want?

To be clear, I'm not trying to push any particular change to the rules. I have lots of people asking me to stop CLAM dying, and lots of others saying to leave it alone. You can't please all the people, but you can let the community as a whole vote and implement the most popular choice. CLAM is a community coin after all, so that seems like the fairest way to do things.

If you are against the idea of having the most popular idea be implemented, why is that?

[wdnj]

Every time I open clam wallet get error message says clam wallet need to close? win xp 32. 

[kunac]

So would you prefer not to have the current holders be allowed to vote for what they want?

Please Let's Vote Now!

[bodgybrothers]

I am still digging bitches working dakly to ruin the clams

Good to see you back with the comedy.

[cryptospout]

So would you prefer not to have the current holders be allowed to vote for what they want?

To be clear, I'm not trying to push any particular change to the rules. I have lots of people asking me to stop CLAM dying, and lots of others saying to leave it alone. You can't please all the people, but you can let the community as a whole vote and implement the most popular choice. CLAM is a community coin after all, so that seems like the fairest way to do things.

If you are against the idea of having the most popular idea be implemented, why is that?

I'm pretty against the idea of making any changes to how the coin works. Clam is far from dying those who are saying it are just butthurt the price dumped (why did these people hold when it was announced early someone was digging and dumping endlessly on polo if the price is what mattered to them?). The truth is with the price being lower more people are playing with clam either on JD or not. You can easily see this with all the new names on JD making larger than average bets. If you guys don't like the way clam is working jump ship and move to another shitcoin don't try to manipulate the core rules to the coin just to please some bagholders

[Aumerle]

Let the community decide, set up the vote!  - I see nothing in dooglas' posts that suggests he favors one set of rules over another, so why so much shouting I'm not sure.

A question though: what do the developers think about doog's idea? This may have been mentioned but i don't see it. Do they have a strong preference for the proposed change over leaving it as it is? Would either result in a vote change their commitment to the coin?

[kunac]

If you guys don't like the way clam is working jump ship and move to another shitcoin don't try to manipulate the core rules to the coin just to please some bagholders

Without JD CLAM will be exactly these -  just another shitcoin. Look at the chart. http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/clams/

Let's vote!