[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[smooth]

If the wallet has been emptied prior to claiming the risk is no different than importing any other random set of characters.

Also don't use that wallet again afterward. Most wallet.dat files include preallocated keys, so future use could (and likely would) involve private keys that were exposed to the clam importer.

[dooglus]

If the wallet has been emptied prior to claiming the risk is no different than importing any other random set of characters.

Also don't use that wallet again afterward. Most wallet.dat files include preallocated keys, so future use could (and likely would) involve private keys that were exposed to the clam importer.

This exactly. We usually recommend that you "empty and retire" your wallet before using it to claim CLAMs.

Doing so protects the CLAM developers as well as yourself. If you use your old BTC wallet to claim CLAMs, then continue to use it with the Bitcoin client afterwards and somehow manage to get your computer compromised and have your coins stolen, you'll never been 100% sure that the CLAM client didn't do something sneaky with the wallet you gave it. If instead you retire your old wallet and switch to a new one, you can't blame the CLAM client when your new wallet gets compromised.

Of course, if you're going to be downloading random executables from the Internet and running them on the same machine you use for your Bitcoin wallet, you're going to end up having your coins stolen anyway. But that's a separate issue, and more about practicing safe computing than anything about the trustworthiness of this particular client.

[mookid]

I just found out i had 13.8 CLAMS, is staking feasible with this amount? Should we expect the price to raise up again to 0.01 BTC/CLAM levels?

[Coins168]

just started using clams faucet to earn some clams, I noticed that there's only a few faucets around for clams

[kito]

I just found out i had 13.8 CLAMS, is staking feasible with this amount?...

Move your mouse over the ticket icon on the bottom left corner of the clam client.  It will pop up a message on the expected stake time. 

[Nextgen]

guys how do i -reindex wallet
when i type -reindex on console it says "method not found" ??

[dooglus]

I just found out i had 13.8 CLAMS, is staking feasible with this amount?...

Move your mouse over the ticket icon on the bottom left corner of the clam client.  It will pop up a message on the expected stake time. 

The network weight is currently showing as 742000.
Divide that by your number of CLAMs to get a number of minutes per stake.
Divide by 60 and 24 to get an expected number of days to stake.

I get 742000 / 13.8 / 60 / 24 = 37.33 days.

So it's "feasible" but probably not worthwhile unless you were going to be leaving the computer on all the time anyway.

[dooglus]

guys how do i -reindex wallet
when i type -reindex on console it says "method not found" ??

Run the client executable with the -reindex flag.

In Windows that probably means either using the command line cmd.txt tool to launch it:

  clam-qt -reindex

Or editing the properties of the shortcut you use to launch it, and adding -reindex to the target.

[dre1982]

Probably already asked a lot but can't find it that quick.

Is it safe to import a wallet which is still in use?

[BayAreaCoins]

Probably already asked a lot but can't find it that quick.

Is it safe to import a wallet which is still in use?

It maybe "safe", but why risk it?

Don't be lazy and sweep your coins out of the compromised wallets is my recommendation.

[dooglus]

Probably already asked a lot but can't find it that quick.

Is it safe to import a wallet which is still in use?

Importing a wallet basically makes a copy of it inside the CLAM wallet. So if anyone ever manages to get a copy of your CLAM wallet, they will also have access to any coins in any of the wallets you imported into it. The official version of the CLAM client itself doesn't take advantage of that, but someone managing to get a copy of your CLAM wallet could do, as could a rogue unofficial version of the CLAM client. So recommended standard practice is to empty and retire your wallets before importing them into the CLAM client.

[ajareselde]

Isn't this insanely beneficial for exchanges since they hold vast amount of addresses that their users used to deposit btc/ltc/doge ?
I have skimmed over some of mine, and clam has been claimed on them, which proves this ?!

[BayAreaCoins]

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I have skimmed over some of mine, and clam has been claimed on them, which proves this ?!

Which exchange?

I'd lol so hard if you say Coinbase.

[dooglus]

Isn't this insanely beneficial for exchanges since they hold vast amount of addresses that their users used to deposit btc/ltc/doge ?
I have skimmed over some of mine, and clam has been claimed on them, which proves this ?!

It's insanely beneficial for exchanges and other services that didn't keep their wallets tidy.

I was running Just-Dice at the time of the snapshot, but regularly swept coins from deposit addresses to a single offsite cold storage address, so the Just-Dice hot wallet received very few CLAMs.

It's kind of a shame that the initial CLAM distribution rewarded those who practiced poor wallet maintenance. But what can you do.

[ajareselde]

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I have skimmed over some of mine, and clam has been claimed on them, which proves this ?!

Which exchange?

I'd lol so hard if you say Coinbase.

It's a serious thing, don't see whats funny there nor did i mention CB :/

Isn't this insanely beneficial for exchanges since they hold vast amount of addresses that their users used to deposit btc/ltc/doge ?
I have skimmed over some of mine, and clam has been claimed on them, which proves this ?!

It's insanely beneficial for exchanges and other services that didn't keep their wallets tidy.

I was running Just-Dice at the time of the snapshot, but regularly swept coins from deposit addresses to a single offsite cold storage address, so the Just-Dice hot wallet received very few CLAMs.

It's kind of a shame that the initial CLAM distribution rewarded those who practiced poor wallet maintenance. But what can you do.

It's a sad thing watching my deposit addresses being claimed, when 90% of my old ones have no clam's to claim , but still, i found ~20 that do.
Reading up on stacking now, but i'm not optimistic :/

cheers

[SuperClam]

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I have skimmed over some of mine, and clam has been claimed on them, which proves this ?!

Which exchange?
I'd lol so hard if you say Coinbase.

It's a serious thing, don't see whats funny there nor did i mention CB :/

Isn't this insanely beneficial for exchanges since they hold vast amount of addresses that their users used to deposit btc/ltc/doge ?
I have skimmed over some of mine, and clam has been claimed on them, which proves this ?!

It's insanely beneficial for exchanges and other services that didn't keep their wallets tidy.
I was running Just-Dice at the time of the snapshot, but regularly swept coins from deposit addresses to a single offsite cold storage address, so the Just-Dice hot wallet received very few CLAMs.
It's kind of a shame that the initial CLAM distribution rewarded those who practiced poor wallet maintenance. But what can you do.

It's a sad thing watching my deposit addresses being claimed, when 90% of my old ones have no clam's to claim , but still, i found ~20 that do.
Reading up on stacking now, but i'm not optimistic :/
cheers

This may be a controversial opinion - however, I have long argued that exchanges should distribute claimed CLAM to their users.

I would go so far as to suggest that exchanges had/have a responsibility to do so.

"Addresses", afterall, are nothing more than a cryptographic public key; despite the community commonly calling them otherwise.
These public keys are assigned to specific users and could be considered much the same as an after-hours drop box.

Unless an exchange specifically enumerated otherwise in their Terms-Of-Service, I think it is reasonable to assume that a customer might have a legal expectation that assets arriving at a cryptographic key assigned to them, be attributed to them.


But, alas, it is up to the specific user to request exchanges or other third-parties distribute.
You can lead a horse to water; but, you can't make them drink.

[BayAreaCoins]

It's a serious thing, don't see whats funny there nor did i mention CB :/

It is a serious thing.  I know you didn't mention CB.  Would you mind saying which exchange it was that you noticed your CLAMS being dug off?

But, alas, it is up to the specific user to request exchanges or other third-parties distribute.

^This 1000x over.

If I was you I'd be emailing the shit out of them and then providing public proof.

[dre1982]

Probably already asked a lot but can't find it that quick.

Is it safe to import a wallet which is still in use?

Importing a wallet basically makes a copy of it inside the CLAM wallet. So if anyone ever manages to get a copy of your CLAM wallet, they will also have access to any coins in any of the wallets you imported into it. The official version of the CLAM client itself doesn't take advantage of that, but someone managing to get a copy of your CLAM wallet could do, as could a rogue unofficial version of the CLAM client. So recommended standard practice is to empty and retire your wallets before importing them into the CLAM client.

ok thanks for answering. I will copy my funds to a new wallet.

[ajareselde]

It's a serious thing, don't see whats funny there nor did i mention CB :/

It is a serious thing.  I know you didn't mention CB.  Would you mind saying which exchange it was that you noticed your CLAMS being dug off?

I can't say for sure, i do know i made a direct auto withdraw to an exchange (dogecoin is in question) so it could be any of them , since they all changed deposit addresses.
I mostly used cryptsy bittrex and poloniex . If i find more info on it, ill post it here, but i definitely consider the issue unmoral from exchange sites who did cash in on clams.

cheers

[dooglus]

I can't say for sure, i do know i made a direct auto withdraw to an exchange (dogecoin is in question) so it could be any of them , since they all changed deposit addresses.
I mostly used cryptsy bittrex and poloniex . If i find more info on it, ill post it here, but i definitely consider the issue unmoral from exchange sites who did cash in on clams.

I expect it was poloniex then. They dug up all their CLAMs early on and held a giveaway to distribute the CLAMs to their users.

Check the timestamps when the CLAMs first moved. That will be a good way of telling whether it was poloniex or not, because I'm sure someone will know when they did their digging.