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Author Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"  (Read 1150784 times)
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October 12, 2015, 08:59:03 AM
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Hello, I wanted to ask how such a possibility with my purse withdrew two transactions 4.60545574 CLAM - my wallet was currently offline. The amount of relief looks as if I had paid a reward for someone dig CLAMs on clamchecker. Please understand the situation, thanks



If this happens, how do I continue to keep CLAms in the wallet?

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October 12, 2015, 09:01:17 AM
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Hello, I wanted to ask how such a possibility with my purse withdrew two transactions 4.60545574 CLAM - my wallet was currently offline. The amount of relief looks as if I had paid a reward for someone dig CLAMs on clamchecker. Please understand the situation, thanks


If you did not make those transactions, and they do exist on the network/chain, it has to be assumed that your private keys are compromised.

This is precisely why we recommend that users "claim"/dig their own CLAM, on their own system, with the official CLAM client.

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If you did not make those transactions, and they do exist on the network/chain, it has to be assumed that your private keys are compromised.

This is precisely why we recommend that users "claim"/dig their own CLAM, on their own system, with the official CLAM client.


I just use my official client CLAM and somehow while he was off with him gone transactions that are equal to the sum rewards, it seems I paid someone dig

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October 12, 2015, 10:43:39 AM
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If you did not make those transactions, and they do exist on the network/chain, it has to be assumed that your private keys are compromised.
This is precisely why we recommend that users "claim"/dig their own CLAM, on their own system, with the official CLAM client.
I just use my official client CLAM and somehow while he was off with him gone transactions that are equal to the sum rewards, it seems I paid someone dig

If you "paid someone's dig", it is because you or someone who has your private key signed the transaction.

The actual act of "digging" doesn't technically exist.  Nothing changes on "digging" - the only effect of importing a wallet to "dig" is that the private keys now exist in your CLAM wallet, causing the software to "see" any CLAM associated with the public key connected to that private key.

The only way for an out going transaction to exist and be verified by the network is for a transaction to be signed by the appropriate controlling private key.

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October 12, 2015, 10:54:32 AM
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If you did not make those transactions, and they do exist on the network/chain, it has to be assumed that your private keys are compromised.
This is precisely why we recommend that users "claim"/dig their own CLAM, on their own system, with the official CLAM client.
I just use my official client CLAM and somehow while he was off with him gone transactions that are equal to the sum rewards, it seems I paid someone dig

If you "paid someone's dig", it is because you or someone who has your private key signed the transaction.

The actual act of "digging" doesn't technically exist.  Nothing changes on "digging" - the only effect of importing a wallet to "dig" is that the private keys now exist in your CLAM wallet, causing the software to "see" any CLAM associated with the public key connected to that private key.

The only way for an out going transaction to exist and be verified by the network is for a transaction to be signed by the appropriate controlling private key.

I know this can be a bit complicated; but, I don't know that there is an easy answer.

If you are seeing a spent transaction in your wallet, and you didn't send it, you need to ask yourself where else the keys in that wallet exist.

There must be a copy somewhere else which signed the transactions.

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October 12, 2015, 11:20:38 AM
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Hello, I wanted to ask how such a possibility with my purse withdrew two transactions 4.60545574 CLAM - my wallet was currently offline. The amount of relief looks as if I had paid a reward for someone dig CLAMs on clamchecker. Please understand the situation, thanks



If this happens, how do I continue to keep CLAms in the wallet?

http://blocktree.io/transaction/CLAM/558e6b67ec0af2b08ed09f1ee9cc9ca85aa02e1e03493cccbee04edf6706319f

Looks to be processed through ClamChecker.com.

Everything looks normal from our end.

We store no keys and have no way of undoing transactions.  All sales are final.

I've reached out to 0n0t0le through PM to hopefully better help them.

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http://blocktree.io/transaction/CLAM/558e6b67ec0af2b08ed09f1ee9cc9ca85aa02e1e03493cccbee04edf6706319f

Looks to be processed through ClamChecker.com.

Everything looks normal from our end.

We store no keys and have no way of undoing transactions.  All sales are final.

I've reached out to 0n0t0le through PM to hopefully better help them.

What happened here is he dug up his 4.6 CLAMs for free on his own using the CLAM client, then gave the same private key to clamchecker.

Clamchecker then worked its magic, leaving the guy out of pocket.

Usually clamchecker customers only see the 3.5 CLAM or 0.005 BTC payment and don't get to see the 4.6 CLAM they could have had, but this example nicely illustrates the business model.

[ Edit: it appears that people have misunderstood the above paragraph. I'm not saying clamchecker is being deceptive. I am saying that the end user doesn't usually see his 4.6 CLAM being replaced by a smaller amount like he did in this case. That is all. ]

If anyone wants to send me 4.6 CLAMs I will gladly pay them 4 CLAMs for each 4.6 they send me. This is much better than the 3.5 CLAM that clamchecker pays and is therefore a valuable contribution to the community. Right?

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What happened here is he dug up his 4.6 CLAMs for free on his own using the CLAM client, then gave the same private key to clamchecker.

I've been speaking to them in PM and what I gather is:

The individual imported his Bitcoin private key mid 2015.  The balance showed in his CLAM wallet, but no movement on the Blockchain due to no sweeping.

John Doe then used the dig service on 10-9-15 using the same private key.

This caused the coins to be transferred from their wallet.

I think it is safe to say that the person is compromised... I'll shoot them another PM and let them know to tighten their security if that wasn't them using our site.

I am saying that the end user doesn't usually see his 4.6 CLAM being replaced by a smaller amount like he did in this case. That is all. ]

I believe his 4.6 was replaced by 0 as I understand it correctly.

He claims not to control http://blocktree.io/address/CLAM/xWYejBe2YZ2EkTEmR8LBMrwkemHjPhZBRe



I could be mistaken... it's very hard to understand them

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October 12, 2015, 11:15:13 PM
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Hi, I'm a beginner in cryptocurrency so be indulgent Wink
I think that the best way to promote CLAM (and the digging for CLAMs Smiley) is to create a wallet that isn't a full node (simplified validation), like Multibit for Bitcoin, as waiting for the download of the blockchain may be unpleasing/annoying.
What do you think?
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Hi, I'm a beginner in cryptocurrency so be indulgent Wink
I think that the best way to promote CLAM (and the digging for CLAMs Smiley) is to create a wallet that isn't a full node (simplified validation), like Multibit for Bitcoin, as waiting for the download of the blockchain may be unpleasing/annoying.
What do you think?

It's a good idea. Are there any SPV clients that support any altcoins at all?

I've no idea how much work would be involved - I don't have the first idea about how SPV works.

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October 12, 2015, 11:30:42 PM
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I promised BayAreaCoins that I'll stop posting negatively about his service.

I've made my position very clear already; there's no need for me to say anything more on the subject.

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It's a good idea. Are there any SPV clients that support any altcoins at all?

I've no idea how much work would be involved - I don't have the first idea about how SPV works.

There is an Electrum fork for Litecoin: https://electrum-ltc.org

Someone here claims their fork support a bunch of other coins: https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/23210-ann-electrum-lightweight-client-for-doge-drk-dvc-ftc-ixc-ppc/

I don't think it is that difficult but verification of a PoS coin might require more code changes.
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It's a good idea. Are there any SPV clients that support any altcoins at all?

I've no idea how much work would be involved - I don't have the first idea about how SPV works.

There is an Electrum fork for Litecoin: https://electrum-ltc.org

Someone here claims their fork support a bunch of other coins: https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/23210-ann-electrum-lightweight-client-for-doge-drk-dvc-ftc-ixc-ppc/

I don't think it is that difficult but verification of a PoS coin might require more code changes.

Does Electrum even use SPV? I've read contradictory reports about that.

https://electrum.org/ says "Electrum is fast, because it uses servers that index the Bitcoin blockchain" - does it require special electrum servers, or can it use regular bitcoin nodes?

http://docs.electrum.org/en/latest/spv.html tells me what an SPV client is, but doesn't say that Electrum is one. I guess it is, else why include that page in the documentation?

Edit: if you stare at the Electrum home page hard enough you can make it show this:



If you click for 'more information' you get this:



I'm still working on seeing if I can stare hard enough to make that one change.

Edit2: This post suggests that Electrum can't connect to regular Bitcoin peers, only special "Electrum servers".

This post talks about the Patricia tree data structure, which lets the Electrum servers instantly locate all the transactions involving a particular address.

I wonder how pure SPV wallets do this. Maybe they don't allow the importing of old private keys, so scanning a large blockchain for relevant transactions isn't needed.

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It's a good idea. Are there any SPV clients that support any altcoins at all?

I've no idea how much work would be involved - I don't have the first idea about how SPV works.

There is an Electrum fork for Litecoin: https://electrum-ltc.org

Someone here claims their fork support a bunch of other coins: https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/23210-ann-electrum-lightweight-client-for-doge-drk-dvc-ftc-ixc-ppc/

I don't think it is that difficult but verification of a PoS coin might require more code changes.

Does Electrum even use SPV? I've read contradictory reports about that.

https://electrum.org/ says "Electrum is fast, because it uses servers that index the Bitcoin blockchain" - does it require special electrum servers, or can it use regular bitcoin nodes?

http://docs.electrum.org/en/latest/spv.html tells me what an SPV client is, but doesn't say that Electrum is one. I guess it is, else why include that page in the documentation?

There was an issue on the git repository concerning an Electrum "server".

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Hi, I'm a beginner in cryptocurrency so be indulgent Wink
I think that the best way to promote CLAM (and the digging for CLAMs Smiley) is to create a wallet that isn't a full node (simplified validation), like Multibit for Bitcoin, as waiting for the download of the blockchain may be unpleasing/annoying.
What do you think?

It's a good idea. Are there any SPV clients that support any altcoins at all?

I've no idea how much work would be involved - I don't have the first idea about how SPV works.

Glad you liked my idea Smiley
I wish I had the coding skills to help you...
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I searched for altcoins spv clients:
LTC: https://electrum-ltc.org/
DOGE: https://github.com/pavel4n/wowdoge.org, https://github.com/electrumalt/electrum-doge and https://github.com/electrumalt/electrum-doge-server
DARK/DASH: https://github.com/redtocatta/electrum-drk and https://github.com/ccur108/electrum-drk-server
IXC: https://github.com/electrumalt/electrum-ixc
Peercoin: they hired a developer to build an SPV wallet https://www.reddit.com/r/Jobs4Bitcoins/comments/2ala5e/hiring_developer_to_build_spv_wallet_for_peercoin/

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It's a good idea. Are there any SPV clients that support any altcoins at all?

I've no idea how much work would be involved - I don't have the first idea about how SPV works.

There is an Electrum fork for Litecoin: https://electrum-ltc.org

Someone here claims their fork support a bunch of other coins: https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/23210-ann-electrum-lightweight-client-for-doge-drk-dvc-ftc-ixc-ppc/

I don't think it is that difficult but verification of a PoS coin might require more code changes.

Does Electrum even use SPV? I've read contradictory reports about that.

Not exactly. It does include verifying transaction inclusion via merkle proofs, which is the essence of SPV but it doesn't work the exact same way as described in the white paper.

Multibit is somewhat closer, and is also open source and could be forked, but most alts seem to stick with Electrum.

In point of fact there are NO pure SPV wallets because SPV as described in the white paper also includes the network having a warning system against attacks, which doesn't exist, and the original description doesn't include any practical or privacy-preserving method for querying your transactions either.
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October 13, 2015, 01:45:53 PM
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hello
I stake 40 clam already 2 week, but have not yet received rewards, the clam client always show remaining time 8-10 day.
when I will get something?
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hello
I stake 40 clam already 2 week, but have not yet received rewards, the clam client always show remaining time 8-10 day.
when I will get something?
thanks

I believe just-dice is the biggest stake holder and being able to stake on your own will take you quite some time, it's basically like mining bitcoins and it's you vs the rest of the people on one miner. Smiley
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October 13, 2015, 04:33:53 PM
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hello
I stake 40 clam already 2 week, but have not yet received rewards, the clam client always show remaining time 8-10 day.
when I will get something?
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There's 1 block staked per minute, and you own 40 out of 800k trying to stake.

That means you should stake about once every 800k/40 = 20k minutes.

20k minutes is 333.333 hours or 13.888 days.

I'm surprised your client always shows something between 8 and 10 days. Try looking every hour for 8 hours. I'm pretty sure you'll see the number go over 10 as the difficulty rises.

As for when you get something, it's impossible to say. On average you'll get 1 CLAM every 2 weeks, but with high variance.

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