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November 05, 2019, 05:44:17 AM
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Upcoming point release

We're going to be tagging a point release fairly soon with a bunch of minor to moderate bug fixes.

It won't require any sort of fork, just upgrading.

If you are aware of any bugs or issues please be sure they are reported in the next day so we can evaluate whether there are fixes worth including in this release. This could include testing the current unreleased master branch if you are able to compile from source, as that is likely to be same as the new release (unless new problems are discovered).

https://github.com/aeonix/aeon/issues
https://github.com/aeonix/aeon-gui/issues

Preliminary binaries available for testing: https://github.com/stoffu/monero-core/releases/tag/v0.13.1.0.pre.0-aeon-stoffu
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November 07, 2019, 12:26:18 PM
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@bigslimvdub. Some funding for his code might motivate him to work on it and keep the vision alive hehehe.

That is the problem in opensource software sometimes, coders lose motivation for months before they are in the mood again.

Some funding? Where is it supposed to come from? Offices in china were raided and closed a couple of weeks ago, consequently the main scammer behind this whole scam was apprehended. Which has lately found the reflection in insane market dumps. The truth be told, there is no funding nor bright prospects for this coin. A couple of abject fanatics is whats left from its army of sickened worshipers.

Unsure if talking about Aeon or not but there really are only about 10 people that really care about this coin. It really is a hobby coin that keeps on going. I tried for over a year of my life to make it more because the underlying core is so stable. Looking back I learned a lot about crypto and community and did better myself as a person however it was basically worthless project wise because there really hasn’t been anything major changed other than a hard fork that took 8 months to complete. K12 is great but it should have been implemented on 12.0. Projects take time to evolve but it seems that Aeon has really “only” been focused on core code for 5 years. If time and energy was spent on other areas in that period it could have been a great coin. As for now, there most likely isn’t any future for mass adoption in aeons lifecycle especially since its 5 years behind most other projects outside core code.
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November 08, 2019, 01:57:46 AM
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@bigslimvdub. Some funding for his code might motivate him to work on it and keep the vision alive hehehe.

That is the problem in opensource software sometimes, coders lose motivation for months before they are in the mood again.

Some funding? Where is it supposed to come from? Offices in china were raided and closed a couple of weeks ago, consequently the main scammer behind this whole scam was apprehended. Which has lately found the reflection in insane market dumps. The truth be told, there is no funding nor bright prospects for this coin. A couple of abject fanatics is whats left from its army of sickened worshipers.

Unsure if talking about Aeon or not but there really are only about 10 people that really care about this coin.

I don't know where your negative sentiment is coming from. The most important factor is if there's any development, and Aeon seems to be pretty good on this front:

Not exaclty sure how this rating is calculated, but Aeon is #2 among cryptonote coins sorted by "Developer" rating.
https://www.coingecko.com/en?hashing_algorithm=Cryptonight&view=gecko




however it was basically worthless project wise because there really hasn’t been anything major changed other than a hard fork that took 8 months to complete.
What's your point? The hard fork introduced K12 PoW and Borromean signature, both of which are major changes and were originally developed for Aeon. Did you want more major changes? Is your problem that it took 8 months to complete? That period was needed to ensure the success of the fork. Do you instead want hastily rushed last-minute forks?

K12 is great but it should have been implemented on 12.0.
I don't see how this could have happened possibly. The main focus of the 12.0 fork was to have Aeon's code synced with Monero's recent one via a rebase. At that time most people including myself still believed ASIC resistance through algorithm tweaks to be feasible, so Aeon followed suit with the 12.0 fork. If there was a proposal to switch to K12 with the 12.0 fork, it would have been met with strong oppositions from the majority of the community. The idea of stopping ASIC resistance grew in the context of CryptoNight varitant ASICs being developed and furious debates about ASIC resistance/friendliness taking place.

Projects take time to evolve but it seems that Aeon has really “only” been focused on core code for 5 years. If time and energy was spent on other areas in that period it could have been a great coin.
It's a great thing that Aeon has been focused on the core protocol for 5 years. If time and energy were spent on other areas like mobile apps instead of the core protocol, it would have become similar to (shit) coins like Electroneum. Maybe those are better suited for you.
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November 08, 2019, 02:21:22 AM
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good thing to have live discussions here.
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November 08, 2019, 07:34:14 PM
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Neg sentiment comes from what seems to be a main reason people have disassociated themselves with aeon. Only core code was focused on for 5 years. In that same period, the same project that aeon merges development code change from also spent that time focusing on core code. The only difference is that Aeon (as it’s own project) did minimal work for this. Yes there were devs “working” on both projects but aeon got literally nothing else accomplished in this time frame other than some infrequent promotions to increase price and a happy asic miner.  Nobody ever laid the founding blocks of the project outside of core code and even there it wasn’t really laid out how or what people could contribute to outside 2-3 people. As you can see with Monero, as the project progressed in its life cycle, so did everything outside the core code. With Aeon it’s still stuck basically at EOY 1 with everything outside core code. Very few people want to contribute because they are either unable to contribute or are working on other projects. I have personally laid out some foundational blocks outside core code 5 years into the project that should have been there the first year. Nobody really did this.  For 5 years and it shows because nobody wants to maintain anything. Do you thing and move on. That’s not a healthy lifecycle.

The core code of Aeon is great. Always has been. Always will be. But at this point of the life cycle, with little to show outside that, it’s always overlooked outside promotion groups or people that see a micro cap crypto with a decent supply to make money on. Heck we even tried paying people to contribute and that’s got the project what over the last year? No web wallet. No iOS wallet. No android wallet. No hardware wallet. Zero contribution to fund project promotion to the greater public. Service providers don’t want to integrate aeon. Sales platforms don’t want to integrate aeon. Nobody wants to beta test releases. And marketing, whatever happened to Thunderosa? Said he had final docs for me 3 weeks ago..... I don’t really know how anyone would think the project is going places other than what everyone has called it for 4 years as a testbed for Monero and a side project for everyone.

But yes, miners are making money every day mining empty blocks until supply runs out in due time.
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November 09, 2019, 03:20:20 AM
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Neg sentiment comes from what seems to be a main reason people have disassociated themselves with aeon. Only core code was focused on for 5 years. In that same period, the same project that aeon merges development code change from also spent that time focusing on core code. The only difference is that Aeon (as it’s own project) did minimal work for this. Yes there were devs “working” on both projects but aeon got literally nothing else accomplished in this time frame other than some infrequent promotions to increase price and a happy asic miner.  Nobody ever laid the founding blocks of the project outside of core code and even there it wasn’t really laid out how or what people could contribute to outside 2-3 people. As you can see with Monero, as the project progressed in its life cycle, so did everything outside the core code. With Aeon it’s still stuck basically at EOY 1 with everything outside core code. Very few people want to contribute because they are either unable to contribute or are working on other projects. I have personally laid out some foundational blocks outside core code 5 years into the project that should have been there the first year. Nobody really did this.  For 5 years and it shows because nobody wants to maintain anything. Do you thing and move on. That’s not a healthy lifecycle.

The core code of Aeon is great. Always has been. Always will be. But at this point of the life cycle, with little to show outside that, it’s always overlooked outside promotion groups or people that see a micro cap crypto with a decent supply to make money on. Heck we even tried paying people to contribute and that’s got the project what over the last year? No web wallet. No iOS wallet. No android wallet. No hardware wallet. Zero contribution to fund project promotion to the greater public. Service providers don’t want to integrate aeon. Sales platforms don’t want to integrate aeon. Nobody wants to beta test releases. And marketing, whatever happened to Thunderosa? Said he had final docs for me 3 weeks ago..... I don’t really know how anyone would think the project is going places other than what everyone has called it for 4 years as a testbed for Monero and a side project for everyone.

But yes, miners are making money every day mining empty blocks until supply runs out in due time.

Meh. Your logic doesn’t make any sense to me. You’re absolutely welcome to sell all your coins and quit.
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November 09, 2019, 03:24:08 AM
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Meh. Your logic doesn’t make any sense to me. You’re absolutely welcome to sell all your coins and quit.
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Reasons like that. Just saying.
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November 12, 2019, 03:28:26 AM
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@bigslimvdub. Where is the new negative sentiment coming from? Aeon has always been a small project and will always be a small project. What were you expecting?

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November 12, 2019, 08:54:59 AM
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Aeon has always been a small project and will always be a small project.
Agree, but also when you start searching for good cryptonote coins except Monero, it quickly turns out that Aeon is not that small and actually very relevant.

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November 13, 2019, 02:59:07 AM
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@bigslimvdub. Where is the new negative sentiment coming from? Aeon has always been a small project and will always be a small project. What were you expecting?

I don't recall mentioning "new" negative sentiment. It's pretty much been the same deal for a long time now (pre rebase debacle).

Small project yes, but how can this project "be a replacement for bitcoin" while being a small project this late in the game? Nobody has explained how it could even be possible that such a small project that has been around 5 years, a market rank of #300+, 80%+ emissions, and about 10 active social community contributors overtake the top cap cryptocurrency in the world?
You can't do this by just being easy to run a node for the next 20 years. Not saying it is not possible but its literally like climbing Mt. Everest with shorts and flip flops.

I'm also a little surprised the net hash for Monero has been pretty stable since the last hardfork, about 300Mh or so. Interesting that they are moving to randomX pow with this stable network hash rate. Either Asic devs held off and went all-in on RandomX design or they just gave up on Monero for now.
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November 13, 2019, 03:46:56 AM
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Small project yes, but how can this project "be a replacement for bitcoin" while being a small project this late in the game? Nobody has explained how it could even be possible that such a small project that has been around 5 years, a market rank of #300+, 80%+ emissions, and about 10 active social community contributors overtake the top cap cryptocurrency in the world?

It can because there will be an increasingly strong demand for an electronic cash system that offers privacy by default, has tail emission, and is lightweight to process. Neither Bitcoin nor Monero (nor any other coins) satisfy these desiderata.
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November 13, 2019, 07:07:52 PM
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Interesting and fairly updated list of 293 Cryptonote coins that offer privacy by default, have some type of emissions schedule, and may or may not be light to transfer. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5115583.0

Most I would assume are worthless projects however with just these coins alone, Aeon must stand out in some way.
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November 14, 2019, 02:20:52 AM
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Interesting and fairly updated list of 293 Cryptonote coins that offer privacy by default, have some type of emissions schedule, and may or may not be light to transfer. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5115583.0

Most I would assume are worthless projects however with just these coins alone, Aeon must stand out in some way.

  • Aeon is very old, only 2 months younger than Monero. Longevity means a lot to legitimacy.
  • Most coins are premined or dev taxed.
  • Only Aeon is truly ASIC friendly. The OP of that thread calls coins using the original CryptoNight (with ASICs available) as ASIC friendly which is wrong. The original CryptoNight at this point is just a useless algorithm that failed to meet the original goal of ASIC resistance; the coin can only be mined profitably by ASICs, and those ASICs have to spend wasteful amount of energy for each hash calculation due to the inherent complexity of the algorithm. In contrast, truly ASIC friendly algorithms like K12 are inherently efficient to compute. Also remember that hash calculation efficiency directly affects the cost of blockchain sync.

Sorry, I just don't share your negative sentiment. Maybe this conversation is getting pointless and I should stop responding to you.
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November 18, 2019, 05:26:34 AM
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FYI AeonCLI isn't building on Windows now with the latest msys updates. I attempted to roll back boost but still getting errors.
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FYI AeonCLI isn't building on Windows now with the latest msys updates. I attempted to roll back boost but still getting errors.

Under investigation
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November 20, 2019, 02:55:21 AM
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@bigslimvdub. Where is the new negative sentiment coming from? Aeon has always been a small project and will always be a small project. What were you expecting?

I don't recall mentioning "new" negative sentiment. It's pretty much been the same deal for a long time now (pre rebase debacle).

Small project yes, but how can this project "be a replacement for bitcoin" while being a small project this late in the game? Nobody has explained how it could even be possible that such a small project that has been around 5 years, a market rank of #300+, 80%+ emissions, and about 10 active social community contributors overtake the top cap cryptocurrency in the world?
You can't do this by just being easy to run a node for the next 20 years. Not saying it is not possible but its literally like climbing Mt. Everest with shorts and flip flops.

I'm also a little surprised the net hash for Monero has been pretty stable since the last hardfork, about 300Mh or so. Interesting that they are moving to randomX pow with this stable network hash rate. Either Asic devs held off and went all-in on RandomX design or they just gave up on Monero for now.

I did not receive this mission statement for Aeon to be a replacement for bitcoin. Who gave it to you?

In any case, I am here because I like Aeon as my hobby and because I reckon it is a neat project without corrupted individuals.

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