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December 01, 2018, 02:23:28 AM
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@kkkwww. Those short days are gone. The Aeon community have made the decision to follow Monero and change to another algorithm to kill Asics. Which might be a mistake. We would have the most hashrate if we stayed with the old algorithm and let game theory do its work.
Being ASIC resistant is always good, in my opinion.
Personally, I don't like ASICs due to their dominant hashrates, which might lead to unexpected manipulation.
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December 01, 2018, 03:23:11 AM
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@coloseum. However, if another Asic manufacturer creates Asics for Monero and our new proof of work algorithm, would we need to change it again? Is this the downright, best longterm solution to the problem? I reckon, certainly no.

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December 01, 2018, 05:13:46 AM
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Has anyone seen ETN's nethash since they allowed asics? 3 gigahash of nethash. Literally, every asic is on that network. Good for them right? What are all those mobile miners doing? Nothing really but providing additional network security with another node.

Whatever happened to Aeon's (or Monero's) mobile development? It seems as if a long time ago, the devs were unable to fully build a functioning mobile version of the core implementation. I remember smooth saying something along the lines of there were scaling issues with the gui on phones where it didn't fit correctly or something. Were they ever able to get a node running?

Aeon was built to be a mobile platform yet for 4.5 years there has been no public development of mobile core code by smooth that I can find. IF you want Aeon to take off, you need this. One community member built (and released) aeon core for android but it seems nobody is using it. Is it because smooth has not given this a noted thumbs up from the official Aeon project?

How can we as a community build Aeon for mobile? Not just a web wallet on a phone, but a true use of aeon on a phone like it is used on a desktop or laptop. That is the true question.
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December 01, 2018, 05:56:01 AM
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Aeon was built to be a mobile platform yet for 4.5 years there has been no public development of mobile core code by smooth that I can find. IF you want Aeon to take off, you need this. One community member built (and released) aeon core for android but it seems nobody is using it. Is it because smooth has not given this a noted thumbs up from the official Aeon project?

Why does it need to be developed or approved by smooth? Anyone can develop anything and run anything. I didn't try that Android Aeon node because I don't own any Android device. Also, it doesn't make sense to run a full node on a phone if there's no wallet software on it (but the situation might change with the emergence of MonerujoAE).

The development in the mobile area is slow/lacking simply because there is no one capable of it and willing to push hard for it. You're welcome to work on it, if you can.
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December 01, 2018, 07:04:29 PM
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Has anyone seen ETN's nethash since they allowed asics? 3 gigahash of nethash. Literally, every asic is on that network. Good for them right? What are all those mobile miners doing? Nothing really but providing additional network security with another node.

AFAIK the ETN "mobile miner" was just a faucet.
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December 02, 2018, 09:14:48 PM
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The development in the mobile area is slow/lacking simply because there is no one capable of it and willing to push hard for it. You're welcome to work on it, if you can.


Oh hi there, didn't know you were on BCT.

IIRC last time I tried, at least IOS was disabled in the GUI  ./build.sh. Maybe im missing something. I also do not have Android but QT creator has Android port support. IIRC android was not disabled in the build.sh but it was a few months ago I checked. I know there are some android based bugs for monero gui currently.
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December 02, 2018, 09:25:18 PM
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Has anyone seen ETN's nethash since they allowed asics? 3 gigahash of nethash. Literally, every asic is on that network. Good for them right? What are all those mobile miners doing? Nothing really but providing additional network security with another node.

AFAIK the ETN "mobile miner" was just a faucet.

IIRC yes, pretty much.



Side note, State of Aeon is out : https://medium.com/@AEON_Community/the-state-of-aeon-12-2-2018-e6c824847333
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December 05, 2018, 02:25:10 AM
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@bigslimvdub. That was the original vision for Aeon. However, I reckon that has changed clearly because of the lack of developers working on the project. The best way forward is to be similar to what the litecoin development team is doing and be a close copy to Monero's codebase.

We the same technology on a slimmer blockchain.

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December 05, 2018, 02:34:02 AM
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@bigslimvdub. That was the original vision for Aeon. However, I reckon that has changed clearly because of the lack of developers working on the project. The best way forward is to be similar to what the litecoin development team is doing and be a close copy to Monero's codebase.

We the same technology on a slimmer blockchain.
Got it! Litecoin and Monero should be taken into deeply consideration for the way AEON team will develop the project.
Let's see how the team actually do this in the future.
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December 05, 2018, 04:09:38 AM
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thanks all who visited the community meeting tonight
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December 05, 2018, 08:13:12 AM
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GUI Release candidate (please test!)

We have a new release candidate GUI available for testing. Everything is merged to master. There are no binaries so you will have to compile it yourself (instructions are in the README).

Github repo: https://github.com/aeonix/aeon-gui

There is some sort of build issue for Windows (also applies to Monero) which is being discussed here: https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/issues/1559
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December 05, 2018, 05:31:57 PM
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hello

can someone to send me invite to join in discord channel?

thank you
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December 07, 2018, 03:00:13 AM
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hello

can someone to send me invite to join in discord channel?

thank you


yes: https://discord.gg/xWZ2z78

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Community meeting wrap-up: https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/a3vk32/december_2018_community_meeting_wrapup/

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December 08, 2018, 03:52:41 AM
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removed. Do you intend to put it again ?
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December 09, 2018, 01:35:11 AM
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hello

can someone to send me invite to join in discord channel?

thank you


yes: https://discord.gg/xWZ2z78

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Community meeting wrap-up: https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/a3vk32/december_2018_community_meeting_wrapup/



Why and what would be the advantages in upgrading the proof of work algorithm again? Will it reduce hashrate or increase it?

There was a comment on github that said that our hashrate doubled and so there will be more investors. If that was true then why did we change the proof of work algorithm to stop Asics?

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December 09, 2018, 10:40:33 AM
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Why and what would be the advantages in upgrading the proof of work algorithm again? Will it reduce hashrate or increase it?

The goal was to brick existing ASIC miners. The advantage of this is that it keeps mining decentralised.

There was a comment on github that said that our hashrate doubled and so there will be more investors. If that was true then why did we change the proof of work algorithm to stop Asics?

Why do you care about "investors"? Surely people that use the coin are far more important than "investors".

Finally, the hashrate itself isn't too important. The Monero network at 500 MH/s would be much more secure than the Bitcoin network at 500 MH/s. One has millions of computer securing it, and the other one has a single 5 year old GPU.
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December 09, 2018, 08:28:50 PM
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Link still works for me.

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Can community please discuss listing on exchanges and funding Fees for listing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/a4o4u9/community_interest_in_aeon_listing_on/


Also working on Binance tonight when I get some time.
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December 10, 2018, 12:28:38 AM
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Why and what would be the advantages in upgrading the proof of work algorithm again? Will it reduce hashrate or increase it?

The goal was to brick existing ASIC miners. The advantage of this is that it keeps mining decentralised.

There was a comment on github that said that our hashrate doubled and so there will be more investors. If that was true then why did we change the proof of work algorithm to stop Asics?

Why do you care about "investors"? Surely people that use the coin are far more important than "investors".

Finally, the hashrate itself isn't too important. The Monero network at 500 MH/s would be much more secure than the Bitcoin network at 500 MH/s. One has millions of computer securing it, and the other one has a single 5 year old GPU.

Why do I care about investors? Investors are holders. If Aeon has more holders, it will have a bigger community, if it has a bigger community, it will have a bigger chance of success.

Also, a higher hashrate secures Aeon and that is very important. Maybe you did not hear the news about the Asic resistant coin, Vertcoin?

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December 10, 2018, 05:51:04 PM
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Why do you care about "investors"? Surely people that use the coin are far more important than "investors".

Why do I care about investors? Investors are holders. If Aeon has more holders, it will have a bigger community, if it has a bigger community, it will have a bigger chance of success.

I feel like a lot of "investors" don't take part in the community. They just hold on to their coins expecting to make a profit, they don't purchase things with the coins, don't accept the coins as payment, don't participate in the community etc.

Finally, the hashrate itself isn't too important. The Monero network at 500 MH/s would be much more secure than the Bitcoin network at 500 MH/s. One has millions of computer securing it, and the other one has a single 5 year old GPU.
Also, a higher hashrate secures Aeon and that is very important. Maybe you did not hear the news about the Asic resistant coin, Vertcoin?

Sorry, I think you misunderstood what I said (or more likely, I just explained it poorly). The hashrate itself doesn't matter, what matters is how difficult it is for some hostile entity to get a significant percentage of the network hashrate.
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December 10, 2018, 07:32:50 PM
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Aeon has had 4+ years for someone to attack it. When there were ASICS, they were centralized (or actually unknown origin since they were not mining in public pools for the most part) so it could  be considered hostile. If asic owners would have spread their hash rates evenly on public pools like the botnets do, we may be having a different conversation.

Also, average Aeon user mining does not have $4000 for asic to mine with. Most have cpu, server cpu, or possibly one rig or just one gpu. How do you fairly distribute advanced mining equipment that only select individuals can afford?

Yes having 300Mh would help secure the network, but wouldn’t having 300mh of cpu/gpu mining be a more community friendly approach? That is the discussion aeon needs, especially since it would only take 100-150mh of XMR hash rate to achieve this.
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