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December 06, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
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someone found a way to package plots in tor network , which would spread like a wildfire part of big tor is some real app and mining software might not red flag virus scanners, tor gets delivered unpacked by a poor and unsuspecting individual , part of the app is mining software that taps to tor file, but these oscillations.... mining software might coordinate activities of all clients notify all to turn and and off to give impression of "human activity" at work

logic here why tor is because tor files often are big tera bytes big and they would escape scrutiny

anyone knows if blago mining app is detected by virus scanners ?

what is even more funny is that http://cryptomining.farm/ will also give out big bonus to "it" as it will not know how to differentiate  Smiley

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December 06, 2014, 04:39:42 PM
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someone found a way to package plots in tor network , which would spread like a wildfire part of big tor is some real app and mining software might not red flag virus scanners, tor gets delivered unpacked by a poor and unsuspecting individual , part of the app is mining software that taps to tor file, but these oscillations.... mining software might coordinate activities of all clients notify all to turn and and off to give impression of "human activity" at work

logic here why tor is because tor files often are big tera bytes big and they would escape scrutiny

anyone knows if blago mining app is detected by virus scanners ?

what is even more funny is that http://cryptomining.farm/ will also give out big bonus to "it" as it will not know how to differentiate  Smiley
there's no reason for blago's mining app to be labeled as a virus
tor, not likely.  tor is run and used by computer savvy folks

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December 06, 2014, 05:23:10 PM
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Pool Statistics are now in Public Beta. -> http://burst4.me/poolstats/
Please have a look and tell me any strange data. (Statistics are still being generated, Reward Assignment is only aviable from today on)

Good stuff.
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Why the frell so many retards spell "ect" as an abbreviation of "Et Cetera"? "ETC", DAMMIT! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_cetera

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December 06, 2014, 06:27:30 PM
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anyone knows if blago mining app is detected by virus scanners ?


check https://www.virustotal.com/ru/file/f3cb4f198edde92605c7ae6a18553c1eeb7e4ecccc12cc60ccee2d3c0b52df9e/analysis/1417890296/
code https://github.com/Blagodarenko/miner-burst

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December 06, 2014, 06:46:05 PM
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I don't think there is any data center &/or single person involved in sudden rise of difficulty.
If somebody can dig more into http://burstcoin.eu/charts/addresses-by-forged-blocks/week we don't see any new account who has forged more than 15 blocks in past week !
almost 95% accounts with more than 15 blocks (2 or more blocks per day = just 50-60 TB) in past week are 2-3 months old.
I guess the sudden drop & rise of the difficulty depends on the method of counting it.
Just like yesterday we came to know why number of miners are less than the actual number of miners per pool because it is based on the block finder.
May be it is the reason why we see sudden increase & drop of network difficulty. I mentioned it earlier also about more than a month back but nobody answered at the time.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=731923.msg9334291#msg9334291

I also doubted the same thing about data center & blaa blaa but now looking at the past week's block finder I doubt that any data center thing is involved.
Mostly it's like more & more people with considerable amount of free space have involved in BurstMining recently & due to some different counting method we see sudden rise & drop cycles in difficulty. May be Dev or the person who has established that difficulty counting method can explain this thing with more detail.
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December 06, 2014, 06:59:41 PM
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What's wrong with you people?  Roll Eyes "We are all dooomed" - or what?

The difficulty rises about 20% and you are speculating about botnets and one big player?!
This kind of rise in difficulty is expected and no anomaly at all. The weeks without rise in difficulty were the anomaly and to worry about. The network grows, the number of wallet grows with it. Nothing to worry about at all.



The problem with this is it will push out small miners like myself where electric is not dirt cheap and we can not get stellar deals on hardware. That is why I shyed away from home bitcoin mining and just do cloud mining. Having physical mining hardware just is more interesting (although more work of course)

difficulty goes high... small miner, who write here, lode interest...
and go away!!!

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December 06, 2014, 07:39:56 PM
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I also doubted the same thing about data center & blaa blaa but now looking at the past week's block finder I doubt that any data center thing is involved.
Mostly it's like more & more people with considerable amount of free space have involved in BurstMining recently &

Nope, the mystery miner is pretty real (chances of it being a coincidence and a lot of people being very lucky are fairly astronomical at this point). Their wallets were identified several pages ago. It appears to be at least 35% hashpower, (diff increased from 6PB to 10PB).

due to some different counting method we see sudden rise & drop cycles in difficulty. May be Dev or the person who has established that difficulty counting method can explain this thing with more detail.

Not dev, but hope my half-assed lecture on basic statistics will be enough:



Roll a fair dice, you can get number between 1 to 6. How many times you need to throw a dice to get 3.5 on average with <1% error? At least 400 times. Same goes for burst difficulty - burst averages last 23 averages and current roll, a so called moving average which skews towards present (ie past is less significant). Both small sample size and moving average are to blame here. Note that such "gravity well" algorithms in various alts are equally "flawed" (to the point of being fairly dangerous - when the near-past average skews too much, it enables timewarp attacks, though that's mostly faulty implementations to blame).

This is why bitcoin uses 14 day sample size with no smooth readjusting of difficulty, and the +-2 times cap - to cap oscillations arising from overshoots in adjustment because of imperfect sample size. It has also no regards for past history (randomness has no memory, its just fluff).

TL:DR: It's a slightly wrong implementation based on wrong assumptions, however no showstopper. I'd recommend hard fork to fix this only in case theres proof it's indeed exploitable condition, and not just an oddity. The jumps in burst will be always at least roughly +-30% because thats the best you can get with 24 samples. When network is 10PB, it jumps between 13 and 7. when network was 6PB, it jumped between 4 and 8 and so on.
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December 06, 2014, 07:49:48 PM
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What's wrong with you people?  Roll Eyes "We are all dooomed" - or what?

The difficulty rises about 20% and you are speculating about botnets and one big player?!
This kind of rise in difficulty is expected and no anomaly at all. The weeks without rise in difficulty were the anomaly and to worry about. The network grows, the number of wallet grows with it. Nothing to worry about at all.



The problem with this is it will push out small miners like myself where electric is not dirt cheap and we can not get stellar deals on hardware. That is why I shyed away from home bitcoin mining and just do cloud mining. Having physical mining hardware just is more interesting (although more work of course)

difficulty goes high... small miner, who write here, lode interest...
and go away!!!

 Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad

in the last days the thread had less post...

It is still one of the more active topics I follow. Also I am still mining with my small plots, no matter the difficulty, not in it only for the $.

Though if Burst gets established enough, I have no doubts we'll be seeing the "bitcoin scenario".

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December 06, 2014, 08:00:12 PM
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What's wrong with you people?  Roll Eyes "We are all dooomed" - or what?

The difficulty rises about 20% and you are speculating about botnets and one big player?!
This kind of rise in difficulty is expected and no anomaly at all. The weeks without rise in difficulty were the anomaly and to worry about. The network grows, the number of wallet grows with it. Nothing to worry about at all.



The problem with this is it will push out small miners like myself where electric is not dirt cheap and we can not get stellar deals on hardware. That is why I shyed away from home bitcoin mining and just do cloud mining. Having physical mining hardware just is more interesting (although more work of course)

difficulty goes high... small miner, who write here, lode interest...
and go away!!!

 Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad

in the last days the thread had less post...

It is still one of the more active topics I follow. Also I am still mining with my small plots, no matter the difficulty, not in it only for the $.

Though if Burst gets established enough, I have no doubts we'll be seeing the "bitcoin scenario".

I think that for this it will take months.
but I'm sure it will be something similar to the success of bitcoin.
blocks reward are already down to 8573 burst.
and then decreasing the reward and increasing of the difficulty will increase burst value

and if important features will be introduced by the dev we go to the moon!!!

Look what the storJ price story ...

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December 06, 2014, 08:28:42 PM
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It sure took longer than i had expected for the basetarget to come down, difficulty to come up. Mining burst was and is a steal, compared to anything else you can do with comodity hardware. Especially if your electicity is expensive.

I finally got my systems running relatively smoothly and unattended and the last week or so i've gotten 1-3 blocks a day, where i previously had 4-7 or so, basetarget is falling (difficulty is rising, network size is rising) fast and now seems to be wobbeling around 2 million, where it was wobbeling around 3.5 million before.  Anyway, all the new plotters and miners are very welcome, and as there are only so many burst coming out no matter how many miners, more miners do not mean more burst, so the price is rock stable no matter how much harddisk space we throw at the protocol.

This also means that the less effective miners will likely start buying burst on the exchanges instead of mining burst, as that might be more profitable for them. This will create buying pressure and establish a floor on the price, perhaps even make it go up.

Marketing department should start making lists of stuff you can do with burst IRL, and detail what kinds of software and instructions is needed.  everyone selling something for bitcoin should have an easy way to sell for burst too. i mean.. really easy.. as a retailer it should be just an app you install on your tablet, then you are ready for action, you should never have to see a commandline window or the like.

I really hope that i can find some time next year to add a little code and apps to the coin, currently my empolyer who was wise enough to give me ownership is taking up all my time and then some.

I think it is time to discuss usecase scenarios involving burst and what instructions, programs and services are needed to make things happen. My advise to all : Don't buy a pizza for 1K burst... In time, it wil turn out to have been a very expensive pizza ;-)
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December 06, 2014, 08:36:46 PM
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Have you considered to integrate this into a Torrent client? Including someking of Proof of Bandwith?

Include what into a Torrent client...? I don't understand.

I mean if somehow we could do a proof of sharing, based either on bandwidth or disk space ...
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Have you considered to integrate this into a Torrent client? Including someking of Proof of Bandwith?

Include what into a Torrent client...? I don't understand.

I mean if somehow we could do a proof of sharing, based either on bandwidth or disk space ...

Compared to maid and storj (which are just pumped IPOs at this moment, non-mineable and with no utility), BURST makes no promises this will be at all possible. Proof of Being Reliable Storage And Not Just Someone Faking It is very, very difficult to do in reliable fashion. So far, all proposals to do this in decentralized fashion are technobabble than anything sound.
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Have you considered to integrate this into a Torrent client? Including someking of Proof of Bandwith?

Include what into a Torrent client...? I don't understand.

I mean if somehow we could do a proof of sharing, based either on bandwidth or disk space ...

Compared to maid and storj (which are just pumped IPOs at this moment, non-mineable and with no utility), BURST makes no promises this will be at all possible. Proof of Being Reliable Storage And Not Just Someone Faking It is very, very difficult to do in reliable fashion. So far, all proposals to do this in decentralized fashion are technobabble than anything sound.

The Storj Whitepaper was released officially today at www.storj.io/storj.pdf
They also have the access plans posted at www.storj.io/earlyaccess
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December 06, 2014, 08:58:20 PM
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It sure took longer than i had expected for the basetarget to come down, difficulty to come up. Mining burst was and is a steal, compared to anything else you can do with comodity hardware. Especially if your electicity is expensive.

I finally got my systems running relatively smoothly and unattended and the last week or so i've gotten 1-3 blocks a day, where i previously had 4-7 or so, basetarget is falling (difficulty is rising, network size is rising) fast and now seems to be wobbeling around 2 million, where it was wobbeling around 3.5 million before.  Anyway, all the new plotters and miners are very welcome, and as there are only so many burst coming out no matter how many miners, more miners do not mean more burst, so the price is rock stable no matter how much harddisk space we throw at the protocol.

This also means that the less effective miners will likely start buying burst on the exchanges instead of mining burst, as that might be more profitable for them. This will create buying pressure and establish a floor on the price, perhaps even make it go up.

Marketing department should start making lists of stuff you can do with burst IRL, and detail what kinds of software and instructions is needed.  everyone selling something for bitcoin should have an easy way to sell for burst too. i mean.. really easy.. as a retailer it should be just an app you install on your tablet, then you are ready for action, you should never have to see a commandline window or the like.

I really hope that i can find some time next year to add a little code and apps to the coin, currently my empolyer who was wise enough to give me ownership is taking up all my time and then some.

I think it is time to discuss usecase scenarios involving burst and what instructions, programs and services are needed to make things happen. My advise to all : Don't buy a pizza for 1K burst... In time, it wil turn out to have been a very expensive pizza ;-)

i haven't found a block in 3 days with 50TB.  3 days ago I found 3 blocks.  prior to that, it was 4 days without a block.  it's really strange lately.

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The Storj Whitepaper was released officially today at www.storj.io/storj.pdf
It does not elaborate on how exactly is audit consensus executed (most notably, whom audits who - and when).
From technical perspective, storj is plagued by same problems as, for example, ethereum. Someone raises some
attack vector (stemming from lack of robustness), vitalik roughly explains how to bandage it. And it goes on and on.

They also have the access plans posted at www.storj.io/earlyaccess

Wait, I need to pump storj asset on XCP to download "opensource" software now?
O...kay.

I have to admit this pump is ingenious Smiley
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The Storj Whitepaper was released officially today at www.storj.io/storj.pdf
It does not elaborate on how exactly is audit consensus executed (most notably, whom audits who - and when).
From technical perspective, storj is plagued by same problems as, for example, ethereum. Someone raises some
attack vector (stemming from lack of robustness), vitalik roughly explains how to bandage it. And it goes on and on.

They also have the access plans posted at www.storj.io/earlyaccess

I have to admit this pump is ingenious Smiley

Says the person who read 18 pages in 15 minutes and fully understood everything he read
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Says the person who read 18 pages in 15 minutes and fully understood everything he read

Caught me red handed. I'm assuming nothing has changed since the draft, ie bunch of supernodes (GVN) underwriting contracts. Basically the same what maid purports will do, their technobabble is even worse, though.
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Have you considered to integrate this into a Torrent client? Including someking of Proof of Bandwith?

Include what into a Torrent client...? I don't understand.

I mean if somehow we could do a proof of sharing, based either on bandwidth or disk space ...

Compared to maid and storj (which are just pumped IPOs at this moment, non-mineable and with no utility), BURST makes no promises this will be at all possible. Proof of Being Reliable Storage And Not Just Someone Faking It is very, very difficult to do in reliable fashion. So far, all proposals to do this in decentralized fashion are technobabble than anything sound.

Clearly we are in front of big code challenges. But I believe the torrent scene will very likely adopt a client that has a possibility to monetize the value created by the network.

Hahahha, I'm going to adopt technobabble term!
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Have you considered to integrate this into a Torrent client? Including someking of Proof of Bandwith?

Include what into a Torrent client...? I don't understand.

I mean if somehow we could do a proof of sharing, based either on bandwidth or disk space ...

Compared to maid and storj (which are just pumped IPOs at this moment, non-mineable and with no utility), BURST makes no promises this will be at all possible. Proof of Being Reliable Storage And Not Just Someone Faking It is very, very difficult to do in reliable fashion. So far, all proposals to do this in decentralized fashion are technobabble than anything sound.

The Storj Whitepaper was released officially today at www.storj.io/storj.pdf
They also have the access plans posted at www.storj.io/earlyaccess
This paper doesn't really address what I consider to be the most difficult problems in such a system. Any time the topic of data storage and bandwith comes up in this thread it becomes very apparent that for some users the bandwith used is much more of a concern than storing large amounts of data. Because of this, I suspect any system like storj will have users who are willing to honestly store and provide verifications for the data they are storing, but will be unwilling to transfer this data when requested, as the bandwith used is more valuable to them than than transfer fee. The other problem would be efficiently handling the transfer payments. As retrieving a file may require retrieving many shards which may need to be transferred from multiple users each, handling payment by traditional means could result in a massive amount of transactions.

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Have you considered to integrate this into a Torrent client? Including someking of Proof of Bandwith?

Include what into a Torrent client...? I don't understand.

I mean if somehow we could do a proof of sharing, based either on bandwidth or disk space ...

Compared to maid and storj (which are just pumped IPOs at this moment, non-mineable and with no utility), BURST makes no promises this will be at all possible. Proof of Being Reliable Storage And Not Just Someone Faking It is very, very difficult to do in reliable fashion. So far, all proposals to do this in decentralized fashion are technobabble than anything sound.

The Storj Whitepaper was released officially today at www.storj.io/storj.pdf
They also have the access plans posted at www.storj.io/earlyaccess
This paper doesn't really address what I consider to be the most difficult problems in such a system. Any time the topic of data storage and bandwith comes up in this thread it becomes very apparent that for some users the bandwith used is much more of a concern than storing large amounts of data. Because of this, I suspect any system like storj will have users who are willing to honestly store and provide verifications for the data they are storing, but will be unwilling to transfer this data when requested, as the bandwith used is more valuable to them than than transfer fee. The other problem would be efficiently handling the transfer payments. As retrieving a file may require retrieving many shards which may need to be transferred from multiple users each, handling payment by traditional means could result in a massive amount of transactions.
Did you read the whitepaper? I covered how to do this in Section 10.

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