Scientific proof that God exists?

[Vod]

Small pox is scarce now, yet has no market value because nobody wants it.

Small pox has a steep price if you speak to the right person.  

Hint: The simpler the definition, the more likely it is to find an affirmative proof.

Proof:        God is life.
                 Life exists.
                 Therefore, God exists.
                    

The Tooth Fairy is life.
Life exists.
Therefore, Tooth Fairy exists.

 

[cjmoles]

Small pox is scarce now, yet has no market value because nobody wants it.

Small pox has a steep price if you speak to the right person.  

Hint: The simpler the definition, the more likely it is to find an affirmative proof.

Proof:        God is life.
                 Life exists.
                 Therefore, God exists.
                    

The Tooth Fairy is life.
Life exists.
Therefore, Tooth Fairy exists.

 

Yup, sound reasoning, "IF" we all agree that the Tooth Fairy is life AND life does exists then it follows necessarily that the Tooth Fairy does exist.

[Vod]

Yup, sound reasoning, "IF" we all agree that the Tooth Fairy is life AND life does exists then it follows necessarily that the Tooth Fairy does exist.

Well, you'll find a lot of people don't agree your god is life.

So it follows necessarily that your god does not exist.

[cjmoles]

Yup, sound reasoning, "IF" we all agree that the Tooth Fairy is life AND life does exists then it follows necessarily that the Tooth Fairy does exist.

Well, you'll find a lot of people don't agree your god is life.

So it follows necessarily that your god does not exist.

Well, now that's unsound reasoning.  But, you are right about the agreement part...logic only works if the definitions are agreed upon.

[Vod]

This whole thread is unsound reasoning.  BD thinks memories form before the brain does - how do you argue against such stupidity?

[cjmoles]

Who are you to judge the value of a soul?

Wouldn't it be like anything else - more valuable as it becomes scarce?  If there are an unlimited number of something, then it's not valuable at all.

Air, water, sunlight....all abundant and free, yet very valuable.  Price is what you pay for something and value is what you get out of something.  A breath of air, a gulp of water, a bar of gold....what's more valuable and what costs most?  When it comes down do it, which would you rather have, a bar of gold or a breath of air?

[QuestionAuthority]

This whole thread is unsound reasoning.  BD thinks memories form before the brain does - how do you argue against such stupidity?

Where the hell have you been? The last post I read of yours was like in April or May.


On topic: God, bible, religion, super good fun stuff, right? ok.

[OBAViJEST]

Who are you to judge the value of a soul?

Wouldn't it be like anything else - more valuable as it becomes scarce?  If there are an unlimited number of something, then it's not valuable at all.

Air, water, sunlight....all abundant and free, yet very valuable.  Price is what you pay for something and value is what you get out of something.  A breath of air, a gulp of water, a bar of gold....what's more valuable and what costs most?  When it comes down do it, which would you rather have, a bar of gold or a breath of air?

Comparing gold and air?  That's the most illogical argument I've heard all day 

[cjmoles]

Who are you to judge the value of a soul?

Wouldn't it be like anything else - more valuable as it becomes scarce?  If there are an unlimited number of something, then it's not valuable at all.

Air, water, sunlight....all abundant and free, yet very valuable.  Price is what you pay for something and value is what you get out of something.  A breath of air, a gulp of water, a bar of gold....what's more valuable and what costs most?  When it comes down do it, which would you rather have, a bar of gold or a breath of air?

Comparing gold and air?  That's the most illogical argument I've heard all day 

LOL...I was just trying to differentiate between value, price, and cost.

[saturn643]

Science is only applicable to what can be tested, and not simply theorized upon, or what takes faith to believe.

[BiPolarBob]

Science is only applicable to what can be tested, and not simply theorized upon, or what takes faith to believe.

Exactly. Science is blind to some things, so I can't take its arguments seriously.

Also, at one time "observation" proved the earth was flat. It  was a fact. But then they amended this "fact" later (as science does).

With science, "facts" ain't what they used to be. 

[frank26]

There is no need to prove that god exists those person who wants to believe in god will believe and those who don't want to believe they will not believe.

[Videlicet]

All the squares and triangles are attempting to look at a world of spheres with lines for eyes (2D to 3D analogy, hint hint). This speaks for both sides of the argument, for religion is a spiritial hospital for people afraid of going to hell, and scientists miss fundamental principals regarding the law of conservation of energy: "energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but can be change from one form to another." when consciousness is of course energy. It is an operator of lower frequency energy functioning on a higher voltage allowing the directing of physical action from the source of the conscious entity. Religion is based on a book that said two people had sex and made everyone, but that is quite simple in thinking the world was spawned from incest.

I choose to see things more symbolically, such as the conscious mind (man), the sub-conscious mind (woman), and the super-conscious mind (light). But we humans do love to dance in circles around logical / illogical sequences in the name of spreading a subjective truth as veracity; but in essence, science is beginning to discover the phenomena known as consciousness. We can't even prove a thought exists rather than brain activation patterns, we can't prove love exists rather than chemical reactions flooding the brain; but yet the deeper essence of some of these experiences extends far beyond the primitive scientific perspective of them, just the same for the explanation of such through a book that has founded a system to debase knowledge and exploration in the name of being saved.

Guess what, the only person that can save you is yourself.
And the irony is, there is nothing to be saved from other than what we create in our own minds, our own experience of life.

Life just is, anyone that thinks they can prove its true essence through theory (science), or even in the name of an overused word (god), is only fooling themselves into believing they have little left to learn.
Let ourselves experience the exploration of knowledge while keeping our minds open to the many possibilities that are elucidated through the experience of life.

One generally learns more if the mind isn't so full of junk that it can't allow anything new in; but hell, that's just my perspective.

Regards,
Viz.

[notbatman]

Somebody (on the internet  ) said that the Bible contains a cryptographic key or code that can be used to verify it's authenticity. It's said that if the code is used to construct fake text you get nothing but gibberish i.e. it can't be used in reverse to produce text.

Is there anything to this rumor, could the bible contain a some form of public cryptographic key?

[Vod]

Somebody (on the internet  ) said that the Bible contains a cryptographic key or code that can be used to verify it's authenticity. It's said that if the code is used to construct fake text you get nothing but gibberish i.e. it can't be used in reverse to produce text.

Is there anything to this rumor, could the bible contain a some form of public cryptographic key?

Yes.  It is said Jesus will be born with the key tattooed on his body.

[Videlicet]

Somebody (on the internet  ) said that the Bible contains a cryptographic key or code that can be used to verify it's authenticity. It's said that if the code is used to construct fake text you get nothing but gibberish i.e. it can't be used in reverse to produce text.

Is there anything to this rumor, could the bible contain a some form of public cryptographic key?

Don't know how well cryptographic codes could decode a "signature" with the re-translations of its text from the dawn of its inception causing drastic changes in the original wording. The bible is a tool for the elites to control populations, I mean what type of magnanimous, gentle, giving "god" would say "I shall smite you"...

Neutral party here, and that's my two cents

[BADecker]

Somebody (on the internet  ) said that the Bible contains a cryptographic key or code that can be used to verify it's authenticity. It's said that if the code is used to construct fake text you get nothing but gibberish i.e. it can't be used in reverse to produce text.

Is there anything to this rumor, could the bible contain a some form of public cryptographic key?

Don't know how well cryptographic codes could decode a "signature" with the re-translations of its text from the dawn of its inception causing drastic changes in the original wording. The bible is a tool for the elites to control populations, I mean what type of magnanimous, gentle, giving "god" would say "I shall smite you"...

Neutral party here, and that's my two cents

God made people for His own reasons and purposes. People turned away from Him and the purposes He made them for. What good are they to Him after that? Get rid of them and make some people that will do the thing they were intended for.

But God didn't do that. God went to all kinds of trouble for them, gave up His Son's life for them to "fix" their ungodly ways. But that didn't phase them. They still rejected Him and His purposes for them, and on top of it, they insulted Him, and they will not stop doing this. What good are they?

When it breaks, and it can't be fixed, and especially when it won't allow itself to be fixed, what good is it? Trash it.

[ad2046]

one of the proofs are the stones of Rameswar pool over ocean that even now float and u can see it on some news channels

[notbatman]

one of the proofs are the stones of Rameswar pool over ocean that even now float and u can see it on some news channels

The Rameswaram floating stones are clearly just geodes i.e. hollow. Not exactly proof of God, interesting none-the-less.

[PrikiNo.1]

I research this field for almost one year and here are the the facts about our genesis, evolution and God:

1. The Bible is definitely the oldest book that is ever written and the first book who is talking about creation of the world, animals and humans. Fact: 22 000 stone tables found it ancient Sumeria, 10.500 (according to new research) b.c.e.

2. According to the Bible, Adam and Eva was created before 450 millions years. Fact: The hammer found in Texas who is dating back for 400 millions of years.

3. In the Bible, more precisely in the Old Testament, the books are grouped in 4 categories. The Law, Historical Books (from Abraham to David), Books of Wisdom and the Books of the Prophets. Fact: Every person who wrote this books was exist in the distant past.

P.S. If Gog create us in His image, then He look like us and He is with us all the time!