So Badecker...just so I understand what your trying to say:
You believe that C&E + entropy + complexity = god?? Really? That's your reason for believing in a god?
Well, actually, I wasn't saying that at all. This is a science knowledge thread. My or anybody's religious beliefs aren't the topic of this thread. You are starting to sound like
Astargath... religion rather than science.
The sea is huge and mighty, and terrible storms kill many people and sink boats and all the mighty creatures that dwell in its vast depths have therefore convinced me that Poseidon is real.........or I could believe that red + bells + snow = Santa!
Good! You are starting to examine some science to maintain something. Continue to learn and examine science. You will find the flaws in your thinking if you do this simple thing conscientiously.
You also are trying to fall back on the "Science doesn't understand Religion" routine which is fine....but understanding religion is not what Science has to do...cos it comes down to faith (which is believing in something despite the complete lack of evidence) which goes against everything scientific.
You are a bit too vague in what you say here. Science doesn't understand anything. So why would it understand religion? Some people use science to understand religion. Others use science to understand other things. Many people don't understand the science they use, but think they do, thereby treating the science they use as a religion for themselves.
BTW, nobody believes anything in a complete lack of evidence situation. Their evidence might only be that they are aware of something. So, there is always some evidence.
Understanding the Universe is what WE have to do. You religious nuts are very happy to just say "God did it" and that's the end of it.
That's quite an unscientific statement that you have there. Many scientists analyze and use much science, but still have religious faith in things that science doesn't explain.
If curious minds never inquired about the HOW and WHY of things...you wouldn't be sitting in front of your LED-backlit display using thin-film-transistor liquid-crystal displays on your portable laptop connected to a world wide network of fibre optic cables that are the thickness of 0.5mm made of glass and can transmit terabytes if not petabytes of information......none of which we would have today if us heretics had given up cos they were happy with "God did it".
Actually, it's the other way around much of the time. There are many scientists who ask for guidance from God regarding their discoveries, and God guides them.
Do you know the one of first female mathematicians (Hypatia 370-415 AD) was dragged out and killed by a christian mob for being a heretic?
Did you ever have a spelling quiz in grade school... maybe even high school? I noticed that you spelled most of the words of your post, here, correctly. It's similar in chemistry. If you don't get the chemicals just right, you won't get the desired results.
What am I saying? When you spell something, it's the same word that the witches use when they cast a spell. You better have it "spelled" correctly or it won't work.
Can you imagine how far our society would have progressed if she had flourished? If she had kids and they grew up maths whizs....If all scientific knowledge had been encouraged instead of suppressed...we are almost 1500 years behind scientifically were we could have been.....thanks to religion.
Everybody in religion makes mistakes. Many people of the Christian religion make mistakes. Many people of the science religion make mistakes.
The thing I am trying to do is show you scientifically that God is a Science Guy, at least with regard to scientists. His science is so far beyond that science of scientists of this world, that many of our science think that God is a Religion Guy.
Many science people understand how C&E + entropy + complexity show that God exists, even though none of them can actually grab a hold of Him. It's similar with empty space. Empty space is essentially "nothing." It penetrates the universe. You can measure it's existence by measuring relationships in things within empty space. But you can't grab hold of empty space. Empty space doesn't produce complexity. But like empty space exists, God exists and produces complexity. One day our science might reach a little of the level of God science.
