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[lawgicc]

Is everyone just being paranoid? lol

Everyone is being super paranoid. And some are super quick to point fingers.

Yes, and the real crook is watching that and getting his rocks off. Don't give him the satisfaction.

amen.

i hope you dump my coins back to me duesch. take my $$$ idgaf,  broke scammer taught me a valuable lesson. id love for you to try to actually come take my shit in person. lol

you have my address or i should say addresses

i know for a fact, it was in the pgp txt u probably swept , with my private keys. u have my real email as well. if you can trigger my blockchain data when i hadnt even accessed blockchain on this new/bugged computer....makes me wonder, there is only one other way.

too scared to login to any of my accounts without TOR/VPN....sad sad. passwords are all still the same.

last time ill be posting about this dumb move on my part

[Viper1]

any efforts right now will be wasted. i dont know how many times i have to repeat myself: only morons and gamblers are going to see an incomplete project in a vast ocean of scams as a good investment. we may pick up 1 or 2 people every week, but the vast majority of people see no benefit in buying SDC right now.

Why? Why would adding things like the market make one bit of difference to a CURRENCY's long term prospects. Right now, the coin is "done" and anything else is just "stuff" built on top of it. It's an anonymous currency that can be used by the masses. Things like the market are only going to create a bump in the price and will simply be home for mostly things like SilkRoad. The masses won't care about those things, they're going to want a coin they can use to buy real things with simply and fast. The coin is ready to do that now without any "fluff". 99% of the coins out now will always be "failures" because they have no plan or effort for adoption. How many faucets are there for SDC right now? How many gambling sites and/or games can you use SDC on? That's just basic crypto stuff and SDC has pretty much none of that. Until people stop waiting for more "stuff" and actually start getting it adopted, it's never going to be more than just another coin to trade on exchanges. The coin doesn't need investors, it needs adoption.

Are you claiming faucets, games, and gambling make coins? Half of the coins out there have these things, but I wouldn't go about claiming those to be successful. In my opinion, for a coin to be successful it needs to have it's own ecosystem. When the market is released and the SDK is put together, then we can see this come to fruition.

That's not what I said. Reread it.

You claim we need adoption. I claim that adoption will come as more things are released. Pushing for adoption too early can be dangerous. Satoshi warned against it with bitcoin and I agree with that. Just let things develop naturally. No need to force anything on this baby coin.

The thing is, the project will never really be done. Going back and reading stuff shortly after the ShadowSend2 release, it appears that it's not the final version and that there will be a ShadowSend3 and maybe even 4. There will always be things that can be added and updated. Taking a "if we build it they will come" approach rarely works and I've been involved in a number of projects outside this realm that have proved that time and time again. At it's core, SDC is a currency meant to buy and sell things. That's "done" and so there's no reason for there not to be an effort for more adoption and real world use. Adoption is a slow process and should be constantly ongoing.

As for waiting for the marketplace, NXT has a marketplace. I haven't got myself back up to speed on that project but it seems to have had little effect on that coins adoption. Maybe it's too limited or something, as I said I haven't got back up to speed on that coin. At least from a price standpoint, it's around 3700 now and late last year when I was trading it, it was around the 5000-6000 mark. So really, thinking that the market will somehow change the coins adoption/popularity appears to be just based in wishful thinking.

At a quick glance, the nxt marketplace requires a seperate software download and only has games, music, and ebooks as categories. It also doesn't offer the same anonymity as sdc.

I had a look at that site as well.  However, today I finally got all the NXT blockchain downloaded and had a look around. There's a marketplace built into the wallet with 671 products for sale. A heck of a lot of domains for sale. Services like FB likes, some physical products, steam keys for games etc. It says there's been 759 purchases to date but not sure where they all are. Someone sold something like 54 copies of some their music for 99 NXT a pop. Some t-shirts have been sold. There's some drugs for sale but didn't see any sales. Funniest one I think was someone bought "how to make 1kg of TNT" info. lol

Overall, not very encouraging but not sure how long it's been out. Usability isn't all that great but I find that with any of these browser based interfaces like NXT, Counterparty etc.

[dadon]

any efforts right now will be wasted. i dont know how many times i have to repeat myself: only morons and gamblers are going to see an incomplete project in a vast ocean of scams as a good investment. we may pick up 1 or 2 people every week, but the vast majority of people see no benefit in buying SDC right now.

Why? Why would adding things like the market make one bit of difference to a CURRENCY's long term prospects. Right now, the coin is "done" and anything else is just "stuff" built on top of it. It's an anonymous currency that can be used by the masses. Things like the market are only going to create a bump in the price and will simply be home for mostly things like SilkRoad. The masses won't care about those things, they're going to want a coin they can use to buy real things with simply and fast. The coin is ready to do that now without any "fluff". 99% of the coins out now will always be "failures" because they have no plan or effort for adoption. How many faucets are there for SDC right now? How many gambling sites and/or games can you use SDC on? That's just basic crypto stuff and SDC has pretty much none of that. Until people stop waiting for more "stuff" and actually start getting it adopted, it's never going to be more than just another coin to trade on exchanges. The coin doesn't need investors, it needs adoption.

Are you claiming faucets, games, and gambling make coins? Half of the coins out there have these things, but I wouldn't go about claiming those to be successful. In my opinion, for a coin to be successful it needs to have it's own ecosystem. When the market is released and the SDK is put together, then we can see this come to fruition.

That's not what I said. Reread it.

You claim we need adoption. I claim that adoption will come as more things are released. Pushing for adoption too early can be dangerous. Satoshi warned against it with bitcoin and I agree with that. Just let things develop naturally. No need to force anything on this baby coin.

The thing is, the project will never really be done. Going back and reading stuff shortly after the ShadowSend2 release, it appears that it's not the final version and that there will be a ShadowSend3 and maybe even 4. There will always be things that can be added and updated. Taking a "if we build it they will come" approach rarely works and I've been involved in a number of projects outside this realm that have proved that time and time again. At it's core, SDC is a currency meant to buy and sell things. That's "done" and so there's no reason for there not to be an effort for more adoption and real world use. Adoption is a slow process and should be constantly ongoing.

As for waiting for the marketplace, NXT has a marketplace. I haven't got myself back up to speed on that project but it seems to have had little effect on that coins adoption. Maybe it's too limited or something, as I said I haven't got back up to speed on that coin. At least from a price standpoint, it's around 3700 now and late last year when I was trading it, it was around the 5000-6000 mark. So really, thinking that the market will somehow change the coins adoption/popularity appears to be just based in wishful thinking.

At a quick glance, the nxt marketplace requires a seperate software download and only has games, music, and ebooks as categories. It also doesn't offer the same anonymity as sdc.

I had a look at that site as well.  However, today I finally got all the NXT blockchain downloaded and had a look around. There's a marketplace built into the wallet with 671 products for sale. A heck of a lot of domains for sale. Services like FB likes, some physical products, steam keys for games etc. It says there's been 759 purchases to date but not sure where they all are. Someone sold something like 54 copies of some their music for 99 NXT a pop. Some t-shirts have been sold. There's some drugs for sale but didn't see any sales. Funniest one I think was someone bought "how to make 1kg of TNT" info. lol

Overall, not very encouraging but not sure how long it's been out. Usability isn't all that great but I find that with any of these browser based interfaces like NXT, Counterparty etc.

I had a look at that Bitbay or whatever its called and it looked so rushed and incomplete.
Shadow is doing things right.
they are not rushing but building a product that is ready for the mainstream user.
others are just trying to be first.
we are trying and will be the best, that is the difference.
shadow does things the right way from the start so the job does not have to be repeated.
that is why we have moved so quickly with development in the last 6 months
and we still manage to be first in so many things.
Just more evidence that the shadow is the future.
If we have the market and android wallets out by September and even better if we have the market in the mobile wallets , we will be safe, September is the make or break month.

[skip60]

one question...

isnt it possible to integrate 2fa into wallets...there can be QR code or simple code at the first use of the wallet

it can be as an additional security, and even if someone gets ur password with a key logger he/she can not access ur coins

technically is it possible

[dasource]

one question...

isnt it possible to integrate 2fa into wallets...there can be QR code or simple code at the first use of the wallet

it can be as an additional security, and even if someone gets ur password with a key logger he/she can not access ur coins

technically is it possible

It is not quite that simple ... adding 2FA to the wallet != 2FA to access your private keys.

[Gizfreak]

Aaaand it's gone....



Whoever robbed me, is gonna pay for it for sure  

Update: I restarted the wallet and now everything seems alright. Weird, very weird, but the first thing I thought of was the prob that someone else had with his 55k.
            Btw I also notice that I don't see a version number at the ss I took.

[PhilipMorris]

Your coins got stolen aswell? I don't see any transactions?

[skip60]

one question...

isnt it possible to integrate 2fa into wallets...there can be QR code or simple code at the first use of the wallet

it can be as an additional security, and even if someone gets ur password with a key logger he/she can not access ur coins

technically is it possible

It is not quite that simple ... adding 2FA to the wallet != 2FA to access your private keys.

it sounds like a good idea to me, but i dont know technically if it is possible

lets say they that lawgicc's all paswords in hand

they stole from his wallet but even if they know his bittrex pass, they can not steal his bittrex coins

i dont know if it is the case with lawgicc, it sounds 2fa is logical

[Gibbs187x]

Your coins got stolen aswell? I don't see any transactions?

no sometimes when you start the client it shows 0 balance just restart the client again and they should be there!

[sexystick]

Your coins got stolen aswell? I don't see any transactions?

no sometimes when you start the client it shows 0 balance just restart the client again and they should be there!

Yes, this is correct. Restart wallet.

[rustynailer]

one question...

isnt it possible to integrate 2fa into wallets...there can be QR code or simple code at the first use of the wallet

it can be as an additional security, and even if someone gets ur password with a key logger he/she can not access ur coins

technically is it possible

It is not quite that simple ... adding 2FA to the wallet != 2FA to access your private keys.

it sounds like a good idea to me, but i dont know technically if it is possible

lets say they that lawgicc's all paswords in hand

they stole from his wallet but even if they know his bittrex pass, they can not steal his bittrex coins

i dont know if it is the case with lawgicc, it sounds 2fa is logical

Fibrecoin have something called FibreLock which require all password inputs to come from the mouse rendering keyloggers useless.

[skip60]

one question...

isnt it possible to integrate 2fa into wallets...there can be QR code or simple code at the first use of the wallet

it can be as an additional security, and even if someone gets ur password with a key logger he/she can not access ur coins

technically is it possible

It is not quite that simple ... adding 2FA to the wallet != 2FA to access your private keys.

it sounds like a good idea to me, but i dont know technically if it is possible

lets say they that lawgicc's all paswords in hand

they stole from his wallet but even if they know his bittrex pass, they can not steal his bittrex coins

i dont know if it is the case with lawgicc, it sounds 2fa is logical

Fibrecoin have something called FibreLock which require all password inputs to come from the mouse rendering keyloggers useless.

what fibrecoin has is at least the first step to improve that weak point

what i am trying to say is that, stealing coins with a key logger shouldnt be that easy

if it is, then it is shadows weak point to improve (dont get angry immediately)

if we are expecting a mass adoption for sdc, then wallet should be safer for any user (coder, housewife)

internet baking also had this problems at the very beginning, then they improved with cellphone messages, 2fa, etc....cellphone messages is not ok for anon reasons

then we should think on other solutions

[dasource]

it sounds like a good idea to me, but i dont know technically if it is possible
lets say they that lawgicc's all paswords in hand
they stole from his wallet but even if they know his bittrex pass, they can not steal his bittrex coins
i dont know if it is the case with lawgicc, it sounds 2fa is logical

In that scenario I would just sit there quietly until you logged into BITTREX and then withdraw the funds

Fibrecoin have something called FibreLock which require all password inputs to come from the mouse rendering keyloggers useless.

That is great apart from, I will just wait till you unlock your wallet before stealing your private keys ...
I should add that keyloggers can be as stupid or intelligent as you want; i.e. they can take screenshots and capture mouse movements. So these solutions really don't add much of an improvement.

The best solution atm is Multisig and looking forward hopefully once the new HD wallet is out we can look at going the next level up with Hardware Wallets etc.

[skip60]

it sounds like a good idea to me, but i dont know technically if it is possible
lets say they that lawgicc's all paswords in hand
they stole from his wallet but even if they know his bittrex pass, they can not steal his bittrex coins
i dont know if it is the case with lawgicc, it sounds 2fa is logical

In that scenario I would just sit there quietly until you logged into BITTREX and then withdraw the funds
The best solution atm is Multisig and hopefully once the new HD wallet is out we can look at Hardware Wallets

Fibrecoin have something called FibreLock which require all password inputs to come from the mouse rendering keyloggers useless.

That is great apart from, I will just wait till you unlock your wallet before stealing your private keys ...

but it is not the same case,

i guess you need a remote access "to sit there quitely and transfer it"

you will not do it with key logger, wont you

if you say that, HD wallet is the solution for it...then HD wallet look like the most important improvement right now

[dasource]

If you are infecting a file with a virus/malware/keylogger (call it what you want) you will adapt it; This is all within the reach of someone determined to get your funds.

[Wheatclove]

Multisig with your Android wallet would be almost as secure as 2fa.

[dasource]

<snip>
if you say that, HD wallet is the solution for it...then HD wallet look like the most important improvement right now

You can achieve great security right now using multisig (like I do) and you will need to have access to multiple devices to move my funds...
What HD wallet (BIP32, 39 and 44) brings to the table is a "standardised" way for say Trezor or Ledger Wallet to add support for Shadow and make it easy for the average person to feel secure with their crypto currency of choice.

[dasource]

Multisig with your Android wallet would be almost as secure as 2fa.

Best solution on the market at the moment for altcoins

[Wheatclove]

Is there a guide to set up multisig for laymen? If not, sounds like something child_harold could contribute!

[dasource]

Is there a guide to set up multisig for laymen? If not, sounds like something child_harold could contribute!

*cheeky*
This is the downside of multisig atm ... does require some knowledge to use it safely.