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September 27, 2012, 08:21:53 PM
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I, personally, will just sit back and save my breath/wrath/compromises/whatever for the time when there are actual coins to distribute ;-)

Gonna hold your breath? Good luck with that.

Nope. I ment it more like "I won't waste any breath/wrath/compromises/whatever until there actually are coins". That doesn't say anything about how much chance I see in this ;-)

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September 27, 2012, 08:45:04 PM
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<@pirateat40> the earliest estimated time that coins can begin moving is Friday, Oct 12th.

The only serious date is the latest time, or expiration date, as normally used on contracts and wherever. More B/S as usual.
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September 27, 2012, 09:26:44 PM
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He could, but he won't.
Payb.tc stated that he won't transmit the account infos:
1) Not relevant (there is one bitcoinmax account with pirate, where payment is awaited)
2) Payb.tc doesn't want to be left out if there will be any bitcoin coming back

Couldn't find his exact post back to page 87.
I already tried to find a compromise some pages back, but payb.tc didn't react to it.

I, personally, will just sit back and save my breath/wrath/compromises/whatever for the time when there are actual coins to distribute ;-)

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When shit hit the fan, he didn't mind that accounts were traded; he just had to acknowledge that the stated balance is correct. Signing each account wouldn't be much different. Mind you, I'm not suggesting to make all balances public, but to present a signed personal balance to each account owner when he logs in.
1) Relevant. Should Payb.tc run/vanish/explode, nobody would be able to prove his balance. A public PGP key and signed account details would be a good "dead man switch".
2) It would not matter in case Pirate ever pay anything back (I know). Payb.tc got a little more interest than he passed on, so account balances won't change (unless only a percentage is paid of course)
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If you sell your account you would still need him to change the withdrawal addresses.
If you magically succeed to settle with Pirate directly it would be easy to see because the withdrawal address received a payment.
I suggest this just to be able to prove my balance in case anything happens to Payb.tc.

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September 28, 2012, 07:30:37 PM
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there is one bitcoinmax account with pirate, where payment is awaited


Wrong.  There was one bitcoinmax account with pirate.  Not anymore.  No longer. 

How thick must one be to still not understand and accept the difference between the pre-default past and the post-default present?   Roll Eyes

Things have changed.  There is no more BS&T, and thus there are no more PPT funds. 

This is between pirate (the debtor) and his creditors now, unless payb.tc wants to accept full responsibility and take the consequences that come along with it.

He can't have it both ways, so he must make a good faith effort to comply with the terms of the liquidation or get a scammer tag.





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September 28, 2012, 08:05:15 PM
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there is one bitcoinmax account with pirate, where payment is awaited


Wrong.  There was one bitcoinmax account with pirate.  Not anymore.  No longer. 

How thick must one be to still not understand and accept the difference between the pre-default past and the post-default present?   Roll Eyes

Things have changed.  There is no more BS&T, and thus there are no more PPT funds. 

This is between pirate (the debtor) and his creditors now, unless payb.tc wants to accept full responsibility and take the consequences that come along with it.

He can't have it both ways, so he must make a good faith effort to comply with the terms of the liquidation or get a scammer tag.





A contract is a contract. payb.tc made a single account with Pirate, and deposited funds through it. There is NO reason that should change.

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September 28, 2012, 08:33:53 PM
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A contract is a contract. payb.tc made a single account with Pirate, and deposited funds through it. There is NO reason that should change.

A circular statement is circular.  Stating the obvious is not an argument.

We are all well aware payb.tc made a single account with Pirate, it was (note the past tense) for a PPT fund called BitcoinMax.

Your opinion of what "should" or should not change has nothing to do with this.  The reality of the situation is that pirate has defaulted.

Payb.tc and BitcoinMax are now (note the present tense) as irrelevant as the co-conspirators of Madoff and their defunct feeder funds.  IE, his only role now is accurately reporting the facts of his PPT so that the debtor (pirate) may rectify to the extent possible his debts with this creditors.

Either that, or Payb.tc becomes the debtor and is on the hook to all those he helped rip off. 

Make your choice, and for the love of Satoshi stop living in the past.  BitcoinMax is dead and gone, and no amount of stubborn whinging will bring it back.



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September 30, 2012, 04:10:24 PM
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Why do people think that there are still coins to be refunded?  It was a Ponzi where most of the coins were paper profits that nevere really existed!  He is just delaying again.

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September 30, 2012, 09:49:15 PM
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It's somewhat amusing that those "get over it and forget it" people cannot get over it and forget it, but keep popping up in every Pirate thread to preach with a missionary fanaticism their boring litany.

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October 01, 2012, 05:01:26 AM
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It's somewhat amusing that those "get over it and forget it" people cannot get over it and forget it, but keep popping up in every Pirate thread to preach with a missionary fanaticism their boring litany.

Get over it and forget it Wink

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October 01, 2012, 11:52:37 AM
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Somebody called in the SEC (Security Exchange Commision, if memory serves).

As much as I would like to see the pirate in jail, I suspect that governments are a bigger threat to the bitcoin idea than all pirates taken together. It may be a mistake to ask governments to solve problems of the bitcoin community.
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October 01, 2012, 02:19:38 PM
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Somebody called in the SEC (Security Exchange Commision, if memory serves).

As much as I would like to see the pirate in jail, I suspect that governments are a bigger threat to the bitcoin idea than all pirates taken together. It may be a mistake to ask governments to solve problems of the bitcoin community.

As I understand it, it started when the SEC mailed several users which probably had rated pirate on OTC. Noone called them, we didn't know about them being involved until now, when they (probably) already investigated a lot.
There are speculations and several hints that it all comes together with the "zeek rewards" ponzi.

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October 01, 2012, 03:51:52 PM
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There are speculations and several hints that it all comes together with the "zeek rewards" ponzi.

If so, even pirate may have involved them.
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October 01, 2012, 05:22:29 PM
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Somebody called in the SEC (Security Exchange Commision, if memory serves).

As much as I would like to see the pirate in jail, I suspect that governments are a bigger threat to the bitcoin idea than all pirates taken together. It may be a mistake to ask governments to solve problems of the bitcoin community.

Most def seems like more trouble then it's worth at this point. I just see more harm then good coming from this.
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October 01, 2012, 06:07:32 PM
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Slight correction: SEC means U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission
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October 04, 2012, 02:41:18 PM
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its getting awfully quiet in here :x
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October 04, 2012, 03:30:43 PM
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its getting awfully quiet in here :x

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October 04, 2012, 03:36:08 PM
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its getting awfully quiet in here :x

Everyone's waiting for the 9th, where nothing will continue to happen.
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October 04, 2012, 04:51:17 PM
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its getting awfully quiet in here :x

Everyone's waiting for the 9th, where nothing will continue to happen.

The nothing is supposed to happen on the 12th I think.

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October 04, 2012, 05:01:41 PM
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Trendon can announce what he wants. He can stick my Bitcoins up his ass Kiss. I only hope that the feds make his life a bit uncomfortable.

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October 05, 2012, 12:58:32 AM
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its getting awfully quiet in here :x

Everyone's waiting for the 9th, where nothing will continue to happen.

The nothing is supposed to happen on the 12th I think.

Right.

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