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August 29, 2012, 01:24:45 PM
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The request is odd. Is it a advice from the attorney of Pirate? Or something more fishy like a pending police investigation already starting?

If I had a bitcoinmax account I wouldn't be confortable with this.
It seems he only wants the balance, forum/IRC name/or any other confirmation of the account , and Bitcoin withdraw address.
Not much to base a pending police investigation though, not even email addresses are needed here.

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balance, forum / IRC name (or any other way of linking and confirming the account) and Bitcoin withdraw address


Then why would he do this? To be sure everyone is paid equally? He's not legally responsible if a passthrough operator doesn't return the coins.

Can't wait for Friday to know more about this.

To get a list of suckers to sell amway too in future.

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August 29, 2012, 01:25:02 PM
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The request is odd. Is it a advice from the attorney of Pirate? Or something more fishy like a pending police investigation already starting?

If I had a bitcoinmax account I wouldn't be confortable with this.
It seems he only wants the balance, forum/IRC name/or any other confirmation of the account , and Bitcoin withdraw address.
Not much to base a pending police investigation though, not even email addresses are needed here.

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balance, forum / IRC name (or any other way of linking and confirming the account) and Bitcoin withdraw address


Then why would he do this? To be sure everyone is paid equally? He's not legally responsible if a passthrough operator doesn't return the coins.

Can't wait for Friday to know more about this.

Maybe he would not be responsible in the case of a GLBSE PPT or with bitcoinmax, but in my case he would. My PPT continued to use the deposit address I had on my BS&T account. In other words, I was using a sub-account, when you guys all think they don't exist, with the money going straight to Pirate in the event I deposited some Wink Oh, and I'm not the only one.

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August 29, 2012, 01:33:05 PM
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My Pirate deposit address is found 7 times on the first page......HOW ABOUT YOU ALL ?

http://blockchain.info/ip-address/108.89.10.213

(known Trendon Shavers IP address)

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August 29, 2012, 01:34:34 PM
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My Pirate deposit address is found 7 times on the first page......HOW ABOUT YOU ALL ?

http://blockchain.info/ip-address/108.89.10.213

(known Trendon Shavers IP address)
Source?

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August 29, 2012, 01:36:17 PM
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Source?

thebaron pulled it from IRC logs.

<---------------notice who 'I heart' now ?

PS. Feel free to follow some of the outputs to GPUMAX miner payouts........(Legit Biz & Scam Money Combined ? that UNpossible)
http://blockchain.info/ip-address/108.89.10.213


http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=108.89.10.213?showDetails=true&showARIN=false&ext=netref2

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August 29, 2012, 02:03:21 PM
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PS. Feel free to follow some of the outputs to GPUMAX miner payouts........(Legit Biz & Scam Money Combined ? that UNpossible)

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, bitlane. Pirate stated ages ago that GPUMAX and BS&T shared a bitcoin wallet:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91661.msg1026140#msg1026140
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August 29, 2012, 02:08:20 PM
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PS. Feel free to follow some of the outputs to GPUMAX miner payouts........(Legit Biz & Scam Money Combined ? that UNpossible)

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, bitlane. Pirate stated ages ago that GPUMAX and BS&T shared a bitcoin wallet:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91661.msg1026140#msg1026140

Not LEGALLY.....as 1 is a Texas State Registered LLC and the other was a SCAM.

He can say whatever he wants to try and justify it, but the blockchain shows everything plain in black and white.

He mixed SCAM funds with his Legitimate LLC, pretty much offering up the LLC on the table in case of bankruptcy, as previously unavailable if kept seperate.

Illicit funds can not be used to support a legit business (without implicating it in the 'case)....and you don't have to be Perry Mason to figure THAT out.

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August 29, 2012, 02:18:48 PM
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Maybe pirate just wants the subaccounts to receive their payout at the exact same time as everyone else so that if there is a massive sell-off of BTC they don't miss out on the opportunity to sell.
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August 29, 2012, 02:21:02 PM
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Maybe pirate just wants the subaccounts to receive their payout at the exact same time as everyone else so that if there is a massive sell-off of BTC they don't miss out on the opportunity to sell.

Right...because he's ALL ABOUT timing and caring about his Investors, once he has what he wants....

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August 29, 2012, 02:22:52 PM
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PS. Feel free to follow some of the outputs to GPUMAX miner payouts........(Legit Biz & Scam Money Combined ? that UNpossible)

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, bitlane. Pirate stated ages ago that GPUMAX and BS&T shared a bitcoin wallet:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91661.msg1026140#msg1026140

Not LEGALLY.....as 1 is a Texas State Registered LLC and the other was a SCAM.

He can say whatever he wants to try and justify it, but the blockchain shows everything plain in black and white.

He mixed SCAM funds with his Legitimate LLC, pretty much offering up the LLC on the table in case of bankruptcy, as previously unavailable if kept seperate.

Illicit funds can not be used to support a legit business (without implicating it in the 'case)....and you don't have to be Perry Mason to figure THAT out.


Usually when the mob wants to launder money they setup a legit business as a front. Its the same deal except we can see the bitcoin trail.

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August 29, 2012, 02:29:44 PM
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Maybe pirate just wants the subaccounts to receive their payout at the exact same time as everyone else so that if there is a massive sell-off of BTC they don't miss out on the opportunity to sell.

Right...because he's ALL ABOUT timing and caring about his Investors, once he has what he wants....
I am not agreeing with Mel, but for what nefarious purpose could pirate want lenders names for?

Unless it is to make sure you are the very last to be paid back?

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For those who are interested; Goat posted a transcript of the #btcst-trust conversation:
* Topic for #btcst-trust is: "Bitcoin Savings & Trust | Update at 8:30pm CST (-5). Invite Only
* Topic for #btcst-trust set by pirateat40!~pirateat4@unaffiliated/pirateat40 at Wed Aug 29 04:13:19 2012
<hashking> lol
<copumpkin> omg it's the hypergoat
<gigavps> goat on a rope
<gigavps> o, i meant boat
<Chaang-Noi> i will be a goat from a rope soon!
<Chaang-Noi> Smiley
<Chaang-Noi> morning all
<[\\\]> shutup goat
<Chaang-Noi> lol, what is with the morning cheer?
<[\\\]> are you not watching #btcst?
<Chaang-Noi> no
<[\\\]> [2012/08/28 19:54:58] <@pirateat40> Bitcoin Savings & Trust has hereby given notice of default to it's account holders.
<OneFixt> um what?
<[\\\]> in #btcst
<[\\\]> 4 minutes ago
<[\\\]> so pirateat40, why the gathering here then?
<Chaang-Noi> i see
<hashking> well goat I hope you sold your account
<Chaang-Noi> lol
<Chaang-Noi> no, it was a joke, i did get offers however
<pirateat40> More to come.
<Chaang-Noi> okay
<Chaang-Noi> ill be back in 5 
<[\\\]> I suppose I'll open it up now
* copumpkin isn't selling
<hashking> open what up
<copumpkin> pirateat40: so was there something specific for the PPT people? I guess the announcement time is still 24 minutes away
<hashking> It will probably  be in 21 minutes
<pirateat40> Yes, 19min
<gigavps> if this is you trolling, i'm going to fly to Texas to kick your ass and buy you some more makers 46
<copumpkin> lol
<copumpkin> been there done that
<patrickharnett> For the terms of the bet and various business dealings, having a clearly defined statement of default (given the time frame specified) is a very useful point to reach
<pirateat40> gigavps, lol we could get drunk and watch breaking bad.
<Chaang-Noi> that is an awesome show
<[\\\]> I've yet to watch it
<pirateat40> It just got much better.
<[\\\]> So can we skip up a few minutes?
<Chaang-Noi> i just got done with number 5
<[\\\]> its close enough to 830
<pirateat40> I thought they were dying on the 3rd episode.
<patrickharnett> I haven't seen the show - looks like it has some warm/fuzzy characters in it
<pirateat40> then it picked back up and rocks again.
<patrickharnett> make'em wait till 8:30
<Chaang-Noi> it is a good show Patrick, however the first few shows are a bit slow, but its very worth it
<[\\\]> so I better make sure my current documents up to date?
<[\\\]> I was lazy and didn't calculate this last week's interest distribution
<copumpkin> pirateat40: I am the one who knocks
<copumpkin> on wood
<pirateat40> Is everyone here that can be?
<[\\\]> (no homo)
<patrickharnett> hmm, I don't watch much tv
<[\\\]> pirateat40: BW is with his kid
<[\\\]> he wanted to be on his androirc
<[\\\]> but it kept pinging out
<[\\\]> we've got a line to him though
<pirateat40> k
<[\\\]> so he'll know shortly after
<patrickharnett> We're going to relay stuff for Burt
<[\\\]> all the told you so's already
<[\\\]> and regardless of anything that's happen, bitlane is frakking nuts
<gigavps> let's get started then
<hashking> Im ready.
<[\\\]> I'm pretty certain this channel can keep a secret for 11 minutes
<gigavps> o wait, i'm supposed to say that with my other acct
* [\\\] is now known as notpirateat40
<notpirateat40> seeekrets
* notpirateat40 is now known as [\\\]
<Chaang-Noi> i saw the photo, you are all pirate!
<pirateat40> It's not about what it said, i just wanted the most of people here see it.
<reeses> did I wake up just in time?
<gigavps> yes, now shut up
<Chaang-Noi> yes reeses, hows india?
<gigavps> let the man speak
<hashking> we are ready again.
<pirateat40> Bitcoin Savings & Trust has hereby given notice of default to it's account holders.
<pirateat40> At his time, all Pirate Pass-Thru operators are required to submit a list of their sub-accounts including; balance, forum / IRC name (or any other way of linking and confirming the account) and Bitcoin withdraw address. Payments will be processed directly by Bitcoin Savings & Trust to Pirate Pass-Thru sub-accounts upon verification and cleared of any outstanding conditions.
<pirateat40> Payments will be processed directly by Bitcoin Savings & Trust to Pirate Pass-Thru sub-accounts upon verification and cleared of any outstanding conditions.Payments will be processed directly by Bitcoin Savings & Trust to Pirate Pass-Thru sub-accounts upon verification and cleared of any outstanding conditions.
<pirateat40> Principal and interest payments are subject to review.
<pirateat40> No timeline or further information is available at this time.
<patrickharnett> would you like emailed lists?
<patrickharnett> you said pm's were a pain
<Chaang-Noi> we never got the sub accounts set up, i dont understand
<pirateat40> Emailed to me@pirateat40.com encrypted with your private key if available.
<copumpkin> your public key, you mean
<pirateat40> Chaang-Noi, bonds are going to be tricky.
<hashking> Why is it being done this way.
<[\\\]> pirateat40: balances as of when?
<gigavps> Chaang-Noi ask nefario to lock the bond and give you a list of holders

<copumpkin> we need your public key to encrypt
<Chaang-Noi> can you please explain why this needs to be done this way?
<pirateat40> [\\\], current balances
<[\\\]> copumpkin: gpg info pirateat40
<Chaang-Noi> gigavps nefario wont do that, that is public knowledge
<reeses> copumpkin: look for the one I signed
<hashking> Not sure how to use that.
<[\\\]> pirateat40: well, does that include last monday's interest?
<hashking> I have to many small accounts to try and put this together.
<pirateat40> Chaang-Noi, it's a legal thing.  That's really all I can say.
<Chaang-Noi> matthew will lose his bet then
<Chaang-Noi> there is no way you will every pay us
<hashking> It would take me forever to compile my list.
<pirateat40> [\\\], the balance should include the total balance up to today at 8:30 PM CST
<[\\\]> ok
<Chaang-Noi> pirateat40 you know you are asking me to do something i cant.
<hashking> When is the deadline to send this to you.
<pirateat40> Chaang-Noi, I know it's not something you can do with bonds and have relayed that information but I don't have an answer for you yet.
<patrickharnett> I can have mine compiled quite quickly as the bonds can simply be repurchased and I only have three sub accounts - when would payment be?
<[\\\]> I have mine ready already
<[\\\]> its a google doc
<pirateat40> hashking, Friday by midnight.
<pirateat40> [\\\] perfect
<gigavps> pirateat40 what are the next steps beyond this?
<hashking> I can't have it done by then.
<[\\\]> seriously, a basic timeline
<[\\\]> we've been very patient, you need to give us a little something.
<pirateat40> gigavps, I don't have a timeline other than Friday at midnight at this point.
<hashking> What are you intentions.  What if I can't get you the information by friday.
<Chaang-Noi> im going to have to run this stuff by my lawyer.
<Chaang-Noi> this seems off...
<hashking> For once I will agree with goat
<reeses> it's pretty standard for a default
<hashking> So then there will be no payment.
<reeses> assets have to be divided fairly
<Chaang-Noi> pirate, do you have any assets to be divided?
<patrickharnett> a list of creditors yes, but the passing on of additional information is unusual
<[\\\]> gigavps, we're over here, wrong channel
<gigavps> oops
<gigavps> pirateat40 can you please explain how you are using the term default?
<gigavps> pirateat40 is there a liquidation preference or priority?
<pirateat40> No timeline or further information is available at this time.
<Chaang-Noi> pirate, can you make your lawyers phone number public? i want to have somethings confirmed.
<reeses> that might be the smart move, because you can say things now that fuck you into piercing your corp. shield
<pirateat40> Chaang-Noi, those details will be available on Friday and all communication will be by certified mail.
<Chaang-Noi> good
<[\\\]> awesome, we're being served.
<hashking> served for what.
<copumpkin> we can get served by pirateat40 and by the lynch mob Smiley
<reeses> dibs on the m5
<Chaang-Noi> i wonder if pirateat40 is working with the feds...
<hashking> imsa need you in btcfgpa.
<Chaang-Noi> i would like to talk with your lawyer before anything else happens.
<hashking> I think that is fair.
<Chaang-Noi> you have all the information you need to know
<Chaang-Noi> if you need more info you need to tell us why
<hashking> I will need a lawyers number also before I give out any information as you are the one that has messed this up.
<pirateat40> Thanks guys, have a good night.
<Chaang-Noi> giving us 48 hours to make a list or not get btc is fail...
* pirateat40 sets mode +m #btcst-trust
<Chaang-Noi> .
* #btcst-trust :Cannot send to channel

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August 29, 2012, 04:09:43 PM
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In this case even with their permission, because it facilitates a breach of the pooling agreement. If Pirate negotiates a private settlement with one of those people, that defrauds the others out of their agreed upon share of the payment by Pirate on that debt.
Even if an agreement would have existed, it would have been broken with the first sale of an account. It doesn't really matter who buys BS&T/PPT accounts. Any sale removes the current account owner from the queue list in exchange for a financial gain. So if you need to mark someone as a fraudster for whatever reason, you would have to mark everybody who offered, sold and bought accounts. Amongst those are some of the forum's big/respected posters. Those accounts are in some way pretty similar to GLBSE shares, so you would need to mark those traders too.

Payb.tc has stated before that accounts will be paid in a FIFO manner: oldest accounts first. If it's Pirate or Payb.tc who pays back doesn't really matter. If you look around, many already linked their accounts by posting offers here in the forum.

Edit: fixed misleading typo


Pirate just covers his traces....he has a failed buiseness and Payb.tc was trying to run  his own ponzi on that... with the help of everybody who is crying me first now

and the help of people who have forgotten how to spell their names in english when trying to read and understand zykgooglish Wink


Cheers Zyk

P.S.  sorry to be part of this scam as well but i tried my best to find out beforehand whats going to happen, when the water is running out....

everybody naked of course Grin
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August 29, 2012, 05:01:14 PM
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Maybe pirate just wants the subaccounts to receive their payout at the exact same time as everyone else so that if there is a massive sell-off of BTC they don't miss out on the opportunity to sell.

Right...because he's ALL ABOUT timing and caring about his Investors, once he has what he wants....
I am not agreeing with Mel, but for what nefarious purpose could pirate want lenders names for?

Unless it is to make sure you are the very last to be paid back?

LOL - right?  If anyone would go through a lot of trouble just to ensure that bitlane is paid last it would be pirate!  LMAO!
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August 29, 2012, 05:03:01 PM
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So Payb.tc - have you submitted the information pirate requested already?

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At this time, all Pirate Pass-Thru operators are required to submit a list of their sub-accounts including; balance, forum / IRC name (or any other way of linking and confirming the account) and Bitcoin withdraw address. Payments will be processed directly by Bitcoin Savings & Trust to Pirate Pass-Thru sub-accounts upon verification and cleared of any outstanding conditions. Principal and interest payments are subject to review. No timeline or further information is available at this time.

EDIT: There's some discussion about the legality/need of providing information about all the sub-accounts. In truth, Payb.tc is the only "account" of BCS&T, and therefore is owed the entire amount. I'm not sure how I feel about pirate getting your entire customer list, with bitcoin addresses and email addresses.
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Maybe pirate just wants the subaccounts to receive their payout at the exact same time as everyone else so that if there is a massive sell-off of BTC they don't miss out on the opportunity to sell.

Right...because he's ALL ABOUT timing and caring about his Investors, once he has what he wants....
I am not agreeing with Mel, but for what nefarious purpose could pirate want lenders names for?

Unless it is to make sure you are the very last to be paid back?


learn zykgloogish please and you need not put so many Huh to the world you live in Wink Cool

just try to answer for yourself, if you think that you deserve to keep the interest earned at bitcoinmax......

and then just try the same with principal.....

you may have some serious questions at hand along the way then...

feel free to post them --we will find an answer....and a translator am sure Wink


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The request is odd. Is it a advice from the attorney of Pirate? Or something more fishy like a pending police investigation already starting?

If I had a bitcoinmax account I wouldn't be confortable with this.
It seems he only wants the balance, forum/IRC name/or any other confirmation of the account , and Bitcoin withdraw address.
Not much to base a pending police investigation though, not even email addresses are needed here.

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balance, forum / IRC name (or any other way of linking and confirming the account) and Bitcoin withdraw address


Then why would he do this? To be sure everyone is paid equally? He's not legally responsible if a passthrough operator doesn't return the coins.

Can't wait for Friday to know more about this.

Maybe he would not be responsible in the case of a GLBSE PPT or with bitcoinmax, but in my case he would. My PPT continued to use the deposit address I had on my BS&T account. In other words, I was using a sub-account, when you guys all think they don't exist, with the money going straight to Pirate in the event I deposited some Wink Oh, and I'm not the only one.


May i give you the care you had for me back in timely warnings, o meu companheiro?

Everybody of course is responsible for his actions not only other people and even as there are plenty of companheiros

the guilty is always the same but its not going to be divided , not even for the oldest heros.

Are you too doing some panic hoarding?

Cada um o seu bicho, ne?

Cheers Zyk
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EDIT: There's some discussion about the legality/need of providing information about all the sub-accounts. In truth, Payb.tc is the only "account" of BCS&T, and therefore is owed the entire amount. I'm not sure how I feel about pirate getting your entire customer list, with bitcoin addresses and email addresses.
There are NO EMAIL ADDRESSES! Nobody never asked my email in PM and there are NO emails in the web interface.
Paybtc, please send my account to pirate. I don't mind.

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August 29, 2012, 05:42:02 PM
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NO emails NO info at all, its all about withdrawal addresses! I don't think Pirate needs any info, he just wants to do the payment directly not through PPT OPs. Now the question is why he would want to do that? It is obvious that he wants to track accounts especially the PPT accounts he is currently buying @ low price! and pay it back without informing anyone! Wink

What is special about PPT? probably it is the accounts most exposed to buyers "today" and is being sold at low price! extremely low [currently<20%]. He would have a plan by now to payback on multiple stages and it is smart of him to search for the sub-accounts he bought, to pay it back first. This way he will be paying himself, shutting down sub-accounts and without even informing anyone about such payback stage! while the majority of the account holders will be still waiting in line, and welling to sell their accounts at low price, even lower.
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it still would be fraud

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