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August 29, 2012, 04:35:06 AM
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U mad?

No. I just think you are a joke.
Referral links in a sig ? what is this, a new form of panhandling ?

Good luck on the Debt Sellers paying you back what you 'purchased' from them....LMAO

You may have paid them 40%....and if they are lucky, Pirate will pay them the other 60%, leaving YOU COMPLETELY FUCKED, as he plans to pay account holders DIRECTLY.
Maybe he just plans for his lawyer to send us a nice letter explaining that there is no money and for us to contact them with our SSN so they can inform the IRS of the capital loss we have experienced.
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August 29, 2012, 04:42:32 AM
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Maybe he just plans for his lawyer to send us a nice letter explaining that there is no money and for us to contact them with our SSN so they can inform the IRS of the capital loss we have experienced.

Well, he better have a good legal team that understands the implications of fraud on a global scale. This isn't a matter of 'Scam Globally, Think Locally'....

What constitutes as a failed business in Texas with limited liabilities does not translate the same when crossing international borders.

United States Federal or State Law is a bit different than International. The USA does not dictate world law.

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August 29, 2012, 05:01:11 AM
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Maybe he just plans for his lawyer to send us a nice letter explaining that there is no money and for us to contact them with our SSN so they can inform the IRS of the capital loss we have experienced.
Well, he better have a good legal team that understands the implications of fraud on a global scale. This isn't a matter of 'Scam Globally, Think Locally'....

What constitutes as a failed business in Texas with limited liabilities does not translate the same when crossing international borders.

United States Federal or State Law is a bit different than International. The USA does not dictate world law.
In any case, I hope that I am wrong, and you are right, but I am not feeling very trusting in the good of man at the moment.  I guess he doesn't need that dead-man's-switch anymore.

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August 29, 2012, 05:03:18 AM
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Pay.btc,

Will you be able to submit a list by Friday? Or will you be one of the parties that waits for Pirate to post his legal information?

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August 29, 2012, 05:31:28 AM
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<pirateat40> Bitcoin Savings & Trust has hereby given notice of default to it's account holders.
<pirateat40> At his time, all Pirate Pass-Thru operators are required to submit a list of their sub-accounts including; balance, forum / IRC name (or any other way of linking and confirming the account) and Bitcoin withdraw address. Payments will be processed directly by Bitcoin Savings & Trust to Pirate Pass-Thru sub-accounts upon verification and cleared of any outstanding conditions.
<pirateat40> Payments will be processed directly by Bitcoin Savings & Trust to Pirate Pass-Thru sub-accounts upon verification and cleared of any outstanding conditions.Payments will be processed directly by Bitcoin Savings & Trust to Pirate Pass-Thru sub-accounts upon verification and cleared of any outstanding conditions.
<pirateat40> Principal and interest payments are subject to review.
<pirateat40> No timeline or further information is available at this time.

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August 29, 2012, 06:34:40 AM
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It would be nice to have a confirmation that the info has been sent to priate.

I for one waive all privacy issues and am ok with my account info beeing passed on.

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August 29, 2012, 06:51:36 AM
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Quote from: SelfAppointedSaviourOfTheUniverse
"I TOLD YOU THAT YOU WOULD GET SCAMMED YOU STUPID RETARDED SACK OF MEAT THAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PISS ON YOUR OWN AND ESPECIALLY NOT DECIDE WHERE YOU PUT YOUR MONEY"

Who has written anything like that? Give us at least one example.
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August 29, 2012, 06:51:58 AM
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It would be nice to have a confirmation that the info has been sent to priate.

I for one waive all privacy issues and am ok with my account info beeing passed on.

^This; me too.

I hope pay.btc is busy exporting user data at this very moment, and is thus too busy to post here.

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August 29, 2012, 07:05:14 AM
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<pirateat40> At his time, all Pirate Pass-Thru operators are required to submit a list of their sub-accounts including; balance, forum / IRC name (or any other way of linking and confirming the account) and Bitcoin withdraw address. Payments will be processed directly by Bitcoin Savings & Trust to Pirate Pass-Thru sub-accounts upon verification …

Please help me to understand this. Is pirateat40 asking for information he would not normally have or get?

Why does he want that information? Any idea? What could he possibly plan to do with the forum and IRC names?

The only reason I can come up with is that this is just another attempt at confusing and delaying. But his asking for names raises a red flag.
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August 29, 2012, 07:12:37 AM
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<pirateat40> At his time, all Pirate Pass-Thru operators are required to submit a list of their sub-accounts including; balance, forum / IRC name (or any other way of linking and confirming the account) and Bitcoin withdraw address. Payments will be processed directly by Bitcoin Savings & Trust to Pirate Pass-Thru sub-accounts upon verification …

Please help me to understand this. Is pirateat40 asking for information he would not normally have or get?

Why does he want that information? Any idea? What could he possibly plan to do with the forum and IRC names?

The only reason I can come up with is that this is just another attempt at confusing and delaying. But his asking for names raises a red flag.

Pass-through OP with 125,000 BTC account rip-off = BUMraping Prison Sentance ?

(multiple) Single 25 BTC User account(s) = Slap on the wrist and 'weekends' in jail ?

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August 29, 2012, 07:13:22 AM
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so there is still a chance for us to get our money back after all?

i wonder why pirate wants to pay the subaccounts himself and not let the operators do their jobs. or maybe he just wants to win some more time?

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August 29, 2012, 07:17:16 AM
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My guess is he wants to be able to close accounts as early as possible to stop interest from accumulating. If he had 100k BTC he could pay that out instead needing additional time to get the whole 150k .


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August 29, 2012, 07:20:24 AM
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so there is still a chance for us to get our money back after all?

i wonder why pirate wants to pay the subaccounts himself and not let the operators do their jobs. or maybe he just wants to win some more time?

so the FBI and IRS can charge 700 people with moneylaundering instead of just 7+ pirate  Cheesy
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August 29, 2012, 07:23:17 AM
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Maybe he just plans for his lawyer to send us a nice letter explaining that there is no money and for us to contact them with our SSN so they can inform the IRS of the capital loss we have experienced.

Well, he better have a good legal team that understands the implications of fraud on a global scale. This isn't a matter of 'Scam Globally, Think Locally'....

What constitutes as a failed business in Texas with limited liabilities does not translate the same when crossing international borders.

United States Federal or State Law is a bit different than International. The USA does not dictate world law.

My understanding is that an individual can hide behind home country laws. A failed business in the US, is a failed business anywhere. Why else would companies pick certain countries to set up shop in?

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August 29, 2012, 07:46:39 AM
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I am actually kind of pleased with this (as much as anybody can be pleased with a default).

If pirateat40 ends up paying anything I will actually get something - unlike the original plan payb.tc had for distributing any repayments (I had no chance with #253/373).
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August 29, 2012, 07:49:15 AM
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so there is still a chance for us to get our money back after all?

i wonder why pirate wants to pay the subaccounts himself and not let the operators do their jobs. or maybe he just wants to win some more time?

so the FBI and IRS can charge 700 people with moneylaundering instead of just 7+ pirate  Cheesy

Bingo!

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August 29, 2012, 08:07:19 AM
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Pirateat40: Payments will be processed directly by Bitcoin Savings & Trust to Pirate Pass-Thru sub-accounts upon verification

Does that mean that Pirate doesn't trust PPT OPs? Is he worried that PPT OPs wouldn't pass the payment, yet blame Pirate for not paying?

Or Pirate may have been informed that some PPT OPs collected BTC more than what they really have in BTCST?
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August 29, 2012, 08:09:04 AM
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Or Pirate may have been informed that some PPT OPs collected BTC more than what they really have in BTCST?

i dont see a problem with that: as long as they do pay out Wink
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August 29, 2012, 08:13:04 AM
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Pirateat40: Payments will be processed directly by Bitcoin Savings & Trust to Pirate Pass-Thru sub-accounts upon verification

Does that mean that Pirate doesn't trust PPT OPs? Is he worried that PPT OPs wouldn't pass the payment, yet blame Pirate for not paying?

Or Pirate may have been informed that some PPT OPs collected BTC more than what they really have in BTCST?

Or Pirate is buying PPTs at low price now and he wants to make sure to pay himself directly?
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August 29, 2012, 08:21:27 AM
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Pirateat40: Payments will be processed directly by Bitcoin Savings & Trust to Pirate Pass-Thru sub-accounts upon verification

Does that mean that Pirate doesn't trust PPT OPs? Is he worried that PPT OPs wouldn't pass the payment, yet blame Pirate for not paying?

Or Pirate may have been informed that some PPT OPs collected BTC more than what they really have in BTCST?

Or Pirate is buying PPTs at low price now and he wants to make sure to pay himself directly?

That's just it. His reason for wanting that info and saying he is intending to bypass the PPT managers is just that, uknown. Thus far he has been unable to fulfill any of the statements he has made after 'closing up shop'.
Whatever his reasoning is for wanting everyones info is highly suspect since he was intentionally very vague about the PPTs.

BTW, PPT-sub-accounts are not the same as PPT bonds. Which is what I would assume any creditor would be considered unless they had an actual PPT-sub-account identification and access with BS&T.

just my uneducated musings though.

carry on.

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