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just for the record:
i am also fine with my details being forwarded.
Yes, you and all of the other 50 BTC-worth accounts, play right into Trendon's plan and settle personally for 50%. The guys with 5000 BTC accounts want NOTHING to do with him, so you will be over ruled, I am certain. Withholding individual user info is the ONLY way everyone has a chance. Fuck Trendon and his plans of 'divide and conquer'. Good job, BitcoinMax. Customer protection and integrity will atleast see you have a future....not so much for Trendon Shavers. Nobody needs to settle personally with the pirate if you won´t.......and put your illgotten interest in escrow as well....... provided the OP is ASAP completed by how bankrupcy proceedings will be carried out at bitcoinmax !!! Cheers Zyk |
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August 30, 2012, 09:46:31 AM |
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As you are aware, BST is in default. That means previously existing arrangements no longer apply and are irrelevant. No, it doesn't. BST and BitcoinMax are two different entities, and Bitcoinmax's customers claims have to go to Payb.tc, not Pirate. When Bitcoinmax defaults because BST did that is Payb.tc's problem. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203513604577142602812291424.html |
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August 30, 2012, 10:03:12 AM |
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there is many ways to consider splitting the returned funds IF there are any worth splitting ..... i would think the fair"est " (since there is no 100% fair way to decide who gets a haircut ) way is to return the principals of newest people first ....... (im talking about the people who just invested recently and stand to lose near 100% of their principal dont deserve to be raped like this ) (the people who already have taken out MORE than their principal + the ones who were bragging loudly that they cant lose etc ... should be suspended at the back of the payment line,at least until newer folks have their principal back ) same goes for people who already taken out more than 100% of what they invested Im not saying anything intentionally bad about the early investors and guys running PPT's etc and i know they also worked hard to "promote the investment " but if all turned out to be a fraud then i dont think they should profit from the fraudulant transfers over more gullible completely innocent people who stand to lose maybe everything and possibly never recieved any interest payment if it was a fraud ,nobody should come out with more than he put in or it will just encourage similiar schemes and instead of trying to build a community of real strength it will become a community of scams where the biggest challenge is to take as much as you can and get out before you get burned ...... bitcoin has a hard enough rep to overcome without becoming known as the currency of thieving scammers as well  my o.2 btc |
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August 30, 2012, 10:21:05 AM |
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The focus should be on initial principal invested, and pirate would like to pay attention to that only. But I think that bitcoin max, has a responsibility to us also, for the trust we have shown yet blindly. So I do not think it would be fair to hold back information. It should be taken to its conclusion as fas as pirate is concerned, let him finish up his excuses, if these are infact excuses.
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August 30, 2012, 10:31:48 AM |
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Where the fuck is payb.tc in all of this?!?! havent heard from him yet...
Probably collapsed. lol If you still are able to put one feet before the other just complete OP now. If not here is the copy and paste: As bitcoinmax always stated, your coins are lost !, as Trendon Shavers shaves us all. In case the defaulted entity BCST is assuming its liabilities to bitcoinmax or pays out any amount to bitcoinmax, all principal investments are payed back evenly up to the amount deposited. The gained interest of all accounts is put in escrow until further notice. If bitcoinmax liabilities to you are not fully covered by this proceedure and in case BCST pays zilch, i payb.tc, will pact with bitlane to recover what is being able to recover from Trendon Shavers. The interest which i accrued during operation of bitcoinmax up to date is given back to recover your principal investments. As far as it stands, pirate has not option neither right to get your data or information through my hands. Seeing forward to provide further investment possibilities to you in the future. Please comment Yours sincerely.......... Thanks Zyk |
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August 30, 2012, 10:35:25 AM |
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The focus should be on initial principal invested, and pirate would like to pay attention to that only. But I think that bitcoin max, has a responsibility to us also, for the trust we have shown yet blindly. So I do not think it would be fair to hold back information. It should be taken to its conclusion as fas as pirate is concerned, let him finish up his excuses, if these are infact excuses.
the problem with that would be people joined a year ago : for example put in 100 coins and took out 7% coins per week have already taken out abt 364 coins for them to still be able to withdraw another 100 coins of principal would leave them at with a total of 464 coins etc and a new guy who invested 500 coins last week might be at a 100% loss hardly seems like a nice fair split now does it....... ? |
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August 30, 2012, 10:42:56 AM |
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Everyone knew the risks, and everyone is on an equal playing field as far as I'm concerned.
Anyway, how about we worry about that if we actually get anything back at all.
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August 30, 2012, 10:44:19 AM |
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If there's enough coins in the pot, everyones principal should be paid first. Least then no-ones technically lost anything. Not sure about interest though. Tricky one.
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August 30, 2012, 10:44:31 AM |
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Funny, those that came last think they can make the rules. That's not the way things go. All the money has to go to payb.tc ! Anything else is funk. The risk was always the same. It doesn't matter how much we took out.
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August 30, 2012, 10:45:45 AM |
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The focus should be on initial principal invested, and pirate would like to pay attention to that only. But I think that bitcoin max, has a responsibility to us also, for the trust we have shown yet blindly. So I do not think it would be fair to hold back information. It should be taken to its conclusion as fas as pirate is concerned, let him finish up his excuses, if these are infact excuses.
the problem with that would be people joined a year ago : for example put in 100 coins and took out 7% coins per week have already taken out abt 364 coins for them to still be able to withdraw another 100 coins of principal would leave them at with a total of 464 coins etc and a new guy who invested 500 coins last week might be at a 100% loss hardly seems like a nice fair split now does it....... ? of course it might not, very understandable....he would be including that logic also.... But as long as all people get back their principal, it would be fine. The guys who pulled out their interest were good with their investments thats all. The person who put in last week, would get back his full principal......this should sort out your angle..... |
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August 30, 2012, 10:49:03 AM |
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It's a pretty moot point right now anyway. Pirate wants all our contact details, Payb.tc doesn't want to hand them over (correctly or incorrectly, I'm not here to judge).
I'd say we're pretty well screwed at this point.
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August 30, 2012, 10:50:44 AM |
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Of course there's only one man that knows how much is left in the pot, if any! I wouldn't even hazard a guess at that. We'll all find out eventually.  |
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August 30, 2012, 10:51:12 AM |
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The focus should be on initial principal invested, and pirate would like to pay attention to that only. But I think that bitcoin max, has a responsibility to us also, for the trust we have shown yet blindly. So I do not think it would be fair to hold back information. It should be taken to its conclusion as fas as pirate is concerned, let him finish up his excuses, if these are infact excuses.
the problem with that would be people joined a year ago : for example put in 100 coins and took out 7% coins per week have already taken out abt 364 coins for them to still be able to withdraw another 100 coins of principal would leave them at with a total of 464 coins etc and a new guy who invested 500 coins last week might be at a 100% loss hardly seems like a nice fair split now does it....... ? of course it might not, very understandable....he would be including that logic also.... But as long as all people get back their principal, it would be fine. The guys who pulled out their interest were good with their investments thats all. The person who put in last week, would get back his full principal......this should sort out your angle..... I understand were your coming from but the thing is ,assuming its a ponzi the 7% people have been taking out has never been real so if all those 7%'s are gone there may be a big hole where everyones principal used to be i agree with rolo above as well ,i have my doubts there may be anything returned except some small token gesture % |
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August 30, 2012, 10:53:32 AM |
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I'd say we're pretty well screwed at this point.
Fuck that ! Let us go down like men not wimps. |
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August 30, 2012, 10:56:08 AM |
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Funny, those that came last think they can make the rules. That's not the way things go. All the money has to go to payb.tc ! Anything else is funk. The risk was always the same. It doesn't matter how much we took out.
Please proceed to the queue , where to leave your fingerprints. Cheers Zyk P.S. no problem....the ones who recieved more interest than paid in....just pay the negative balance back thats why our operator is called pay BTC !  |
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August 30, 2012, 11:06:15 AM |
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the "FIFO" thing was only a side-effect of ordering by USER ID (a number), but it doesn't mean if only only get 50% back later accounts will miss out... if i only get 50% back, then all accounts will get 50% back.
- when you negotiate with Pirate on our behalf, will you accept the first offer or try to get as much as possible from him? - how will a partial payment (eg 50%) be distributed? Will you simply pay everybody 50% of their current account value, or use the coins to first pay back deposits, taking into account previous withdrawals, to minimize the actual losses of your clients? (SUM(deposits) - SUM(withdrawals) > 0) - will a partial payment be considered a final settlement, or will you keep on trying to get the rest of the entire payment Pirate owes? there is many ways to consider splitting the returned funds IF there are any worth splitting .....
i would think the fair"est " (since there is no 100% fair way to decide who gets a haircut ) way is to return the principals of newest people first .......
(im talking about the people who just invested recently and stand to lose near 100% of their principal dont deserve to be raped like this )
(the people who already have taken out MORE than their principal + the ones who were bragging loudly that they cant lose etc ... should be suspended at the back of the payment line,at least until newer folks have their principal back )
You assume that early investors withdrew instead of keeping interest reinvested. This assumption is often wrong. |
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August 30, 2012, 11:10:07 AM |
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Personally I'd like to do whatever will increase my chances of getting all or at least some of my coins back - if that means giving Pirate my forum / bitcoinmax user name and a payout address then so be it - it's not like he's asking for passport scans.
payb.tc - you have my permission to forward on my account info with bitcoinmax to Pirate if that is the approach you decide to take.
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August 30, 2012, 11:11:50 AM |
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This is obfuscation of bitcoinmax!
You can clearly seperate the accrued interest from deposits and withdrawls made.
Thats why it is to love that interface!
Cheers
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August 30, 2012, 11:19:01 AM |
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If this was a delaying tactic and an excuse by pirate to create more confusion, lets try and be smarter than him, just send him all the details, so he dosen't have another excuse to say that all did not comply. This thing needs to taken to its logical conclusion, and as law goes, " not guilty until proven "...cheers
the best part is that, I do not think that giving the forum name and details etc can let pirate do anything to us, please try and understand that all of us put in our money with the sole intent of pirate handling it...and it should be so.
double cheers......"come hell or highwater"
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