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August 29, 2012, 08:00:57 PM
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Then why would he do this? To be sure everyone is paid equally? He's not legally responsible if a passthrough operator doesn't return the coins.

Nobody will ever be paid anything, except if the pirate is caught with some money.

Can't wait for Friday to know more about this.

You don't have to wait until Friday. You know everything already, except for the next attempt of the pirate to confuse you.
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August 29, 2012, 08:10:30 PM
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… for what nefarious purpose could pirate want lenders names for?

I don't know, but here are a few guesses, some of which had been mentioned here already.

  • He wants to protect his pass-through helpers by taking the business relationship and the debt upon himself before his bankruptcy is obvious to everybody. This is quite unlikely behavior for a criminal, but perhaps he wants to keep his helpers for another coup.
  • He wants to send individual messages to the people whose money he stole, for the purpose of confusing and delaying.
  • He wants to use the addresses to pull people into his next coup, perhaps a Ponzi scheme with a lower interest rate than 3,300% per year.

Any more ideas?
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August 29, 2012, 08:13:39 PM
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… for what nefarious purpose could pirate want lenders names for?

I don't know, but here are a few guesses, some of which had been mentioned here already.

  • He wants to protect his pass-through helpers by taking the business relationship and the debt upon himself before his bankruptcy is obvious to everybody. This is quite unlikely behavior for a criminal, but perhaps he wants to keep his helpers for another coup.
  • He wants to send individual messages to the people whose money he stole, for the purpose of confusing and delaying.
  • He wants to use the addresses to pull people into his next coup, perhaps a Ponzi scheme with a lower interest rate than 3,300% per year.

Any more ideas?

I usually do not agree with team ponzi, but assuming pirate is a scammer, then all of those actually make sense.

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August 29, 2012, 08:49:43 PM
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He needs direct control over sub-accounts, to payback the sub-accounts he bought at low price "first" and WITHOUT INFORMING ANYONE. This will result in more accounts falling at lower prices as account holders wouldn't stand the expanded payback delay with zero information being announced, while Pirate keeps collecting such accounts and payback himself. I guess he is already doing this now. His intention is not to let anyone know about the slow payback process. Thats why he doesn't want PPT OPs in the middle, to keep hiding his activities.

My missing coins and I are in it for the long haul. At this point all I can do is wait, assume a loss, and if they come back fantastic.
I don't appreciate all this confidential treatment of finances on pirates part. If there is 1$ million to pay $5million owed then just pay out at 20%.  Why all the delays? Pay out what you have, give us a bottom line number and meet it. 
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August 29, 2012, 08:54:39 PM
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I don't appreciate all this confidential treatment of finances on pirates part. If there is 1$ million to pay $5million owed then just pay out at 20%.  Why all the delays? Pay out what you have, give us a bottom line number and meet it. 

Delay is the only purpose. Nothing will be paid out.

This has been obvious from the beginning, has been predicted in detail, people have been warned, but it should be even more obvious now.
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August 29, 2012, 09:26:11 PM
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I don't appreciate all this confidential treatment of finances on pirates part. If there is 1$ million to pay $5million owed then just pay out at 20%.  Why all the delays? Pay out what you have, give us a bottom line number and meet it. 
Delay is the only purpose. Nothing will be paid out.

This has been obvious from the beginning, has been predicted in detail, people have been warned, but it should be even more obvious now.
I think you may be right about the stalling tactics.  But if he has gone to a lawyer, the lawyer must comply with the law, or risk losing their livelihood. So any assets held should be distributed to debt holders.

If pirate just wants us to think that he is lawyering up then we can always break out the pitchforks.
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August 29, 2012, 09:51:31 PM
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it still would be fraud

Oh my,

if i only would be able to speak such a convincing english, than may be the loot of a fraud needs to be given back to the defrauded?

Ask BCB , Micron or the holy pope in which way  Karma could be leveled in such a case !?


Everybody panickhoarding yet?

Cheers Zyk
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August 29, 2012, 10:10:02 PM
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I really don't know what to make of all this - either he still intends to payout something and he's just trying to protect himself legally, or he's stalling for some reason, or....

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August 29, 2012, 10:21:34 PM
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… for what nefarious purpose could pirate want lenders names for?

I don't know, but here are a few guesses, some of which had been mentioned here already.

  • He wants to protect his pass-through helpers by taking the business relationship and the debt upon himself before his bankruptcy is obvious to everybody. This is quite unlikely behavior for a criminal, but perhaps he wants to keep his helpers for another coup.
  • He wants to send individual messages to the people whose money he stole, for the purpose of confusing and delaying.
  • He wants to use the addresses to pull people into his next coup, perhaps a Ponzi scheme with a lower interest rate than 3,300% per year.

Any more ideas?



Number 4   :     but that doesn´t count, cause its zykooglish :

Pirate just covers his traces....he of course has a failed buiseness and Payb.tc was trying to run  his own ponzi on that... (bitcoinmax freely translated in zykooglish: "payout goes first to me, then to the to the oldest accounts, the OP need not be messed with this details and the fun begins now!" .. with the help of everybody who is crying me first now

and the help of people, who have forgotten how to spell their names in english, when trying to read and understand zykgooglish. At least pirate hasn´t lost all his senses, so we can still

hope;)


Thanks for switching on brain cells


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August 29, 2012, 10:21:44 PM
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he still intends to payout something and he's just trying to protect himself legally

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August 29, 2012, 10:32:15 PM
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Number 4   :    Payb.tc was trying to run  his own ponzi on that...

He might suspect a Ponzi squared or a pyramid of Ponzis. Why not?
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August 29, 2012, 10:40:57 PM
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I personally taught that pirate business was legitimate.

I've seen you make the same mistake in at least 4 posts now.

'Taught' is the past participle of 'teach'.
'Thought' is the past particple of 'think'.

'Thought' is the word you're looking for here.

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August 29, 2012, 10:52:51 PM
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futile endeavour to have taught zykloogish then Undecided


Where the fuck is payb.tc in all of this?!?! havent heard from him yet...

Probably collapsed. lol

And as there is at least one companheiro, who still doesn´t look forward to panic holding, as he intends  to satisfy his lenders  without any  blinking.......

he is the only one, who is on the right track as he is used to zykloogish even when pretending he is not. Wink


Cheers Zyk
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August 29, 2012, 10:54:59 PM
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apparently he's on holiday atm, unfortunate timing but with so much at stake a daily check in & update is essential imo

Do you actually KNOW that he's on holiday or are you just guessing due to him not appearing for a couple days here?

It's been reported on irc://freenode/btcst by ppl who apparently know this, I'm just relaying the most current informed info available...

You're relaying rumors.

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August 29, 2012, 10:58:51 PM
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i've been offline for well over 24 hours.

my main pc with my wallet is still offline and i only have a public computer to use the net at the moment.

haven't been in touch with pirate yet.

will post again soon.
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August 29, 2012, 11:00:45 PM
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It is highly unethical bordering on illegal to hand over users data to a third party without their express permission.

agreed, and following that, it's questionable whether handing over *some* would be useful, if i can't hand over *all*.
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August 29, 2012, 11:09:44 PM
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It is highly unethical bordering on illegal to hand over users data to a third party without their express permission.

agreed, and following that, it's questionable whether handing over *some* would be useful, if i can't hand over *all*.


I'd suggest that you hand over those that give permission, and not those that don't.   If people don't want their info handing out, that's their choice.    If this by some miracle means that pirate will pay out everyone directly, then that's just less he has to pay out I suppose.

On the other hand, if he's using the info to pass on to his alien overlords as a probing list, then those that don't participate will be laughing.

Again though, not your problem mate.   It you get permission, you're all good.

On that note, you have my permission.   I'm up for a probing.

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August 29, 2012, 11:17:56 PM
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It is highly unethical bordering on illegal to hand over users data to a third party without their express permission.

agreed, and following that, it's questionable whether handing over *some* would be useful, if i can't hand over *all*.



You better do now what you are told to do.....stop your endless ignorance and change the implied payout order

before its going to become ever more futile to go on with your panic holding.

Are those 20 in your wallet not Andies coins?

Of course if you prefer please hand over all Wink

Cheers Zyk
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August 29, 2012, 11:18:26 PM
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In truth, Payb.tc is the only "account" of BCS&T, and therefore is owed the entire amount. I'm not sure how I feel about pirate getting your entire customer list, with bitcoin addresses and email addresses.

+1

i don't see how bitcoinmax account details have anything to do with pirate or BS&T.

it's pretty simple... he needs to pay out my BS&T account to my BS&T withdrawal address.

if only a smaller proportion of that can be paid out, then i'll pass that smaller % on to bitcoinmax account holders.

the "FIFO" thing was only a side-effect of ordering by USER ID (a number), but it doesn't mean if only only get 50% back later accounts will miss out... if i only get 50% back, then all accounts will get 50% back.
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August 29, 2012, 11:25:09 PM
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Since I did not request anyone's permission ( except of course payb.tc ) to deposit coins with pirate, why would I need anyone's permission here, as to whether or not my details should be passed on to pirate.

Payb.tc, I think that atleast people who are willing to have their details passed on, let it be passed on. you could just create a simple poll on the site so that existing users could vote on it, and we could see the results. this way, you would be completely, going about our duty in the right way. Just send info to pirate about parties who chose to send.

hope it helps

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