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November 09, 2018, 03:23:48 PM
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"How to use cryptocurrency to buy & sell goods and services"
https://bitbay.market/blog/cryptocurrency-buy-sell-goods-and-services?utm_campaign=how-to-use-cryptocurrency-to-buy-sell-goods-and-services&utm_medium=social_link&utm_source=missinglettr

Well said, but without the possibility to make your own offer visually attractive, the project will fail, or just address a tiny small fringe group.

I agree Thul, images are very important factor for a marketplace to be successful. First impressions are important and images help to tell the story about items and get the buyer interested.

The new BitBay web marketplace alpha is online now and we have people testing it and giving us feedback as we build and release new features. If you'd like to join us then I can send you an invite. Just email me at shorn@bitbay.market and I'll get it arranged.

The web marketplace will be an 'easy-button' version of the amazing software that David has built, enabling users to buy / sell with a few clicks on mobile or desktop and not have to sync the blockchain etc. It will also feature the unique 'unbreakable smart contracts' that David developed, allowing for users to buy and sell anything with no 3rd party involved.

The alpha is in an early stage but I still invite you to come and see what we're working on. Your feedback would be very welcome  Wink
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November 09, 2018, 09:50:08 PM
Last edit: November 09, 2018, 10:24:20 PM by dinoDevon
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https://i.imgur.com/ZfQA0Xf.pngI’ve been staking most of my BAY at Btcpop.co so I can trade at the same time.
Oh, and being part of a pool  =  faster payouts.                
And I can finally turn my laptop off.                
Rewards might even be higher with
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November 09, 2018, 10:21:14 PM
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https://imgur.com/a/TIVAjwi
I’ve been staking most of my BAY at Btcpop.co so I can trade at the same time.
Oh, and being part of a pool  =  faster payouts.                
And I can finally turn my laptop off.                
Rewards might even be higher with
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November 11, 2018, 10:23:30 AM
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"How to use cryptocurrency to buy & sell goods and services"
https://bitbay.market/blog/cryptocurrency-buy-sell-goods-and-services?utm_campaign=how-to-use-cryptocurrency-to-buy-sell-goods-and-services&utm_medium=social_link&utm_source=missinglettr

Well said, but without the possibility to make your own offer visually attractive, the project will fail, or just address a tiny small fringe group.

I agree Thul, images are very important factor for a marketplace to be successful. First impressions are important and images help to tell the story about items and get the buyer interested.

The new BitBay web marketplace alpha is online now and we have people testing it and giving us feedback as we build and release new features. If you'd like to join us then I can send you an invite. Just email me at shorn@bitbay.market and I'll get it arranged.

The web marketplace will be an 'easy-button' version of the amazing software that David has built, enabling users to buy / sell with a few clicks on mobile or desktop and not have to sync the blockchain etc. It will also feature the unique 'unbreakable smart contracts' that David developed, allowing for users to buy and sell anything with no 3rd party involved.

The alpha is in an early stage but I still invite you to come and see what we're working on. Your feedback would be very welcome  Wink
Thanks,

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Just orientate yourself on the possibilities of established markets (Amazon, ebay, ...) then nothing can go wrong.  Wink

The goal is to be better.
And this should already be possible with a range of products and services that does not exist on the regulated, centralized markets.
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November 12, 2018, 06:04:43 AM
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It's 11/11 the 4 year anniversary of BitBay. Congrats to the team and cheers to the investors. Let's make 2019 our best year yet.

Well so I'm pretty much finished with the Python version of the exchange code. So I just have to test it and then give it to anoxy so he can start getting the demo exchange ready. Then once that is successful we will have a very strong proposal for exchanges. Although we will need a lot of the community to help test the demo exchange and do some trades because it will give us some great feedback on the user experience of the peg. We will also need to wait for Yshurik to convert the code to c++ so it's faster. He has made a lot of progress on converting the Python peg so far and when he finishes that he will work on the exchange code. But we can still test in the meantime.

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November 12, 2018, 02:19:06 PM
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https://twitter.com/BitBayofficial/status/1061982134922027008

BitBay are pleased to announce you can now buy BAY with euros at https://www.bitladon.com/bitbay
Bitladon is the international website of the Dutch broker Bitcoin Meester and they make it quick and easy to buy BAY!
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November 12, 2018, 05:51:51 PM
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https://twitter.com/BitBayofficial/status/1061982134922027008

BitBay are pleased to announce you can now buy BAY with euros at https://www.bitladon.com/bitbay
Bitladon is the international website of the Dutch broker Bitcoin Meester and they make it quick and easy to buy BAY!
An exchange via a third party is out of the question for me.

When will Bitbay be listed in BISQ?
Optimal as a base currency.
Even more optimal if BISQ could be integrated into your wallet, i.e. with BAY as base currency.
(one will probably still be allowed to dream...)
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November 12, 2018, 06:22:52 PM
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https://twitter.com/BitBayofficial/status/1061982134922027008

BitBay are pleased to announce you can now buy BAY with euros at https://www.bitladon.com/bitbay
Bitladon is the international website of the Dutch broker Bitcoin Meester and they make it quick and easy to buy BAY!
An exchange via a third party is out of the question for me.

When will Bitbay be listed in BISQ?
Optimal as a base currency.
Even more optimal if BISQ could be integrated into your wallet, i.e. with BAY as base currency.
(one will probably still be allowed to dream...)


BISQ uses 3rd party escrow and is very risky. There is no reason to do that because users can buy BitBay in the wallet itself totally peer to peer risk free using 2 party escrow. The wires are secured by deposits and users simply do their own KYC since it's peer to peer and private contracts where BitBay takes no fees. For users without deposits the seller at a minimum puts a small deposit in a guarantor contract to let another user buy his first coins.

There is no escrow, servers or middlemen that's the major advantage.
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November 12, 2018, 09:52:13 PM
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Thank you for the prompt answer.
I see it on the website right now. Runs across the marketplace.

I should really get closer to the project. Here one seems to have rather the use in the focus.

I am very curious about the market place. I look at it as soon as it runs on Linux again and photos are no longer a problem.
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November 13, 2018, 12:26:42 AM
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Thank you for the prompt answer.
I see it on the website right now. Runs across the marketplace.

I should really get closer to the project. Here one seems to have rather the use in the focus.

I am very curious about the market place. I look at it as soon as it runs on Linux again and photos are no longer a problem.

You can post photos with the listings. For the platform to be decentralized it would be odd to have photo hosting. For now it just puts the image on fpaste and compresses it however the photo can be sent over bitmessage too. Of course a user can link more photos. I realize in 2018 people want tons of media but that is the trade off when making something completely decentralized I suppose more photos can go on fpaste or imgur in the future.

As for Linux it's on my list of things to do when I finish testing the exchange peg code.
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November 13, 2018, 06:53:01 AM
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The market will not succeed if it becomes too cumbersome in terms of operation and design.

OpenBazaar has already done that quite well. Easy integration of photos, as much and as big as you want them to be. Appealing design of the shop.
However, there is still a lot missing to really become a competition to the well-known Fiat markets...
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November 13, 2018, 05:15:43 PM
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The market will not succeed if it becomes too cumbersome in terms of operation and design.

OpenBazaar has already done that quite well. Easy integration of photos, as much and as big as you want them to be. Appealing design of the shop.
However, there is still a lot missing to really become a competition to the well-known Fiat markets...

We have a lot of user friendly templates on our marketplace... cash for coins, barter, auctions/reverse auctions, goods, services, etc. It's pretty easy actually. When you get a chance to test it let us know.
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November 14, 2018, 09:57:08 PM
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The market will not succeed if it becomes too cumbersome in terms of operation and design.

OpenBazaar has already done that quite well. Easy integration of photos, as much and as big as you want them to be. Appealing design of the shop.
However, there is still a lot missing to really become a competition to the well-known Fiat markets...

We have a lot of user friendly templates on our marketplace... cash for coins, barter, auctions/reverse auctions, goods, services, etc. It's pretty easy actually. When you get a chance to test it let us know.
Yes, I'd be happy to do that.
I hope you are open to criticism.  Wink

As for Linux it's on my list of things to do when I finish testing the exchange peg code.
How do I know if this problem has been solved?
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November 15, 2018, 06:21:24 PM
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How are articles searched and found?

At OpenBazaar the central weak point is the respective search provider. If articles are blocked by their operator, they are no longer found.

Is your system efficient? That means fast and reliable?

Is a combination of search terms possible, for example "shoes, leather" if only leather shoes would like to have listed?

The tag system of OpenBazaar does not only list shoes, but also everything else where the term "leather" was tagged, so also leather clothing or BDSM stuff.

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November 15, 2018, 07:17:12 PM
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The market will not succeed if it becomes too cumbersome in terms of operation and design.

OpenBazaar has already done that quite well. Easy integration of photos, as much and as big as you want them to be. Appealing design of the shop.
However, there is still a lot missing to really become a competition to the well-known Fiat markets...

We have a lot of user friendly templates on our marketplace... cash for coins, barter, auctions/reverse auctions, goods, services, etc. It's pretty easy actually. When you get a chance to test it let us know.

The only problem is in one big point guys. Many people dont understand who takes the risk if something goes wrong. And how to attract people who do not use cryptocurrency?
This is a snag and who can solve it will become the top one.
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November 15, 2018, 09:34:44 PM
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The market will not succeed if it becomes too cumbersome in terms of operation and design.

OpenBazaar has already done that quite well. Easy integration of photos, as much and as big as you want them to be. Appealing design of the shop.
However, there is still a lot missing to really become a competition to the well-known Fiat markets...

We have a lot of user friendly templates on our marketplace... cash for coins, barter, auctions/reverse auctions, goods, services, etc. It's pretty easy actually. When you get a chance to test it let us know.

The only problem is in one big point guys. Many people dont understand who takes the risk if something goes wrong. And how to attract people who do not use cryptocurrency?
This is a snag and who can solve it will become the top one.
By offering goods and services that are not available on the regulated Fiat markets.
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November 16, 2018, 03:38:57 AM
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The market will not succeed if it becomes too cumbersome in terms of operation and design.

OpenBazaar has already done that quite well. Easy integration of photos, as much and as big as you want them to be. Appealing design of the shop.
However, there is still a lot missing to really become a competition to the well-known Fiat markets...

We have a lot of user friendly templates on our marketplace... cash for coins, barter, auctions/reverse auctions, goods, services, etc. It's pretty easy actually. When you get a chance to test it let us know.
Yes, I'd be happy to do that.
I hope you are open to criticism.  Wink

As for Linux it's on my list of things to do when I finish testing the exchange peg code.
How do I know if this problem has been solved?

Of course I'm open to criticism that's how the software got to this point. I was the only coder for 4 years and only recently have we expanded our team. So now we have a guy doing a refactor and converting the peg logic to c++ and also guys doing the web version of the Halo markets.

There is no other software that has such a long list of working features and that is what has kept this community together for so long. We are trying to popularize the idea of double deposit 2 party escrow and decentralized markets and the peg.

When people critique the software we don't always implement those changes due to time restraints but now that I'm finally finished it might be easier to maintain things than it was to invent the entire platform from scratch. There does need to be a point where innovation stops and marketing and partnerships and adoption begin. I feel like we have to bridge that divide sooner than later considering how competitive things are getting.

Anyways, the Linux build I'm updating with the new and final release of the software which will have the peg exchange logic. This will be in the next update and right now I'm just testing things. So that will be within this month.
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November 16, 2018, 04:04:03 AM
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How are articles searched and found?

At OpenBazaar the central weak point is the respective search provider. If articles are blocked by their operator, they are no longer found.

Is your system efficient? That means fast and reliable?

Is a combination of search terms possible, for example "shoes, leather" if only leather shoes would like to have listed.

The tag system of OpenBazaar does not only list shoes, but also everything else where the term "leather" was tagged, so also leather clothing or BDSM stuff.



Well the whole concept of OpenBazaar is really not a good one in my opinion. Simply because they use 3rd party escrow. This is a horrible problem because it gives them liabilities, cost overruns, absolutely no competitive edge over Amazon or other services and most importantly it's easy to anonymously steal escrows because in a 2 of 3 system all you need to do is get lucky enough to get assigned to your own deals secretly and then just spend from all your escrow accounts.

2 of 2 escrow such as in BitHalo and BitBay not only stops theft but it disincentivizes deception. So one thing I think you might be overlooking is that we aren't just limited in scope to sales of goods.

It's true that sales of goods on this platform come with no liabilities or fees and greatly reduce shipping scams (making them almost profitless)... however we can help so many industries with this. Here are some examples:

Using 2 of 2 escrow you can do a real estate deal without notary. In fact, BitBay was used for one of the first crypto related real estate purchases in US history and definitely the first without the need of escrow. This has a major benefit in other countries that don't use escrow. For example in Mexico I bought land and the entire deal went through the notary. It was a bit funny to me considering there was no guarantee to the recipient that my check would clear or anything. So imagine how much they would benefit from this. There is so many deals for example that run through what is called "Ejido" which is community owned and are pretty much scams most of the time unless the paperwork is air tight. The double deposit system would help a person transition the property away from the ejido if they wanted title.

The problem with weak title is epidemic all over the world. This is a huge deal that we can help solve even if people don't realize it.

Also what about shipping? I had a friend who lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical equipment and spent years trying to recover the loss in court. This just wasted his time and money and stress too. With 2 party escrow the need for an insurance provider can be totally bypassed!! With guys who do huge 6 or 7 figure deals in volume they would save tremendous money on either having a smaller insurance policy or none at all.

Also there is Telcom industry. They have issue with selecting banks and routing calls all over the world and choosing escrows for wires and all kinds of things.

There is probably hundreds of industries that suffer from having to agree on ways to safely route wire transfers. And of course Bitcoin being one of them. Consider that using 2 of 2 escrow not only can someone else guarantee the deal for someone else, but they could do wires with almost zero risk of fraud bridging the gap between crypto and fiat or really any industry that is heavily reliant on wires.

Then there is outsourcing. It's absolutely a pain in the ass to have employees that don't do what they promise, come late to work, exaggerate their credentials, etc. This software again by forcing a bond from the employee will cause them to get penalized. Of course this a major benefit to the construction industry, to outsourcing, to extremely important jobs that must get completed, etc.

We could spend hours talking about how many industries need 2 party double deposit escrow but they just don't know it yet. People are so used to getting stolen from that they enthusiastically line up at crypto exchanges despite constantly getting taken for billions and billions of dollars with no end in sight.

If this market was mature enough to see it, we wouldn't even have to market to anyone and devs would flock to help us for free and investors would come in droves. But unfortunately people are too busy making Dogecoin or Truckcoin or Ferengicoin or Flappybirdcoin or whatever other bullshit traders are wasting their time buying. Lets not forget the fancy ICOs where guys dress up in really sharp looking suits and promise that the blockchain will mow peoples lawn, walk their dog and teach their kids algebra or whatever other nonsense they need to make up in order to get free Bitcoins.

With our software it's not limited to sales like Open Bazaar. In fact we are more like Craigslist than OB. Since people can use the templates to Barter and form a farm co-op or trade anything, do services, sell goods, auctions, reverse auctions, write their own templates etc. This is why we can't pidgeon hole into the deep web or some niche crypto market because there is so many industries that could use what we have developed.

The BitBay coin is just a catalyst for the ideas that we have preached for years. It started on BitHalo and then a strange twist of fate put me in this project. Now with the peg we also have a very unique addition to the blockchain and as long as the volume is there and exchanges are friendly to us, will help get rid of the volatility that has distracted the entire market.
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November 16, 2018, 06:37:04 AM
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That was a very detailed statement, but unfortunately none of my questions were answered.  Smiley

You don't have to convince me of 2 of 2 Escrow. I recommended this to the developers of OB a year ago.
Since the mentioned difficulties already existed there several times, they now have a selection of verified moderators.
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November 16, 2018, 05:33:27 PM
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That was a very detailed statement, but unfortunately none of my questions were answered.  Smiley

You don't have to convince me of 2 of 2 Escrow. I recommended this to the developers of OB a year ago.
Since the mentioned difficulties already existed there several times, they now have a selection of verified moderators.

Haha true. Sorry about that. I get a bit fired up talking about double deposit escrow.

Yes the system is efficient. You download all of the orders which are in the network for 48 hours. Remember it's Bitmessage so nobody really knows the contents of a channel order except the ones who are able to decrypt it. So when you search you are searching the listings on your computer.

When it gets to be fairly large I assume people will start their own channels and post there which will take pressure off the main channel. However it's worth pointing out that those channels are anonymous if you don't have the name of the channel. However perhaps eventually those can be shared to a basic search engine or something to be properly indexed.

As for Bitmessage scaling on it's own I'm not sure what it's limit for traffic is but that is a pretty good question. I had hypothesized that the network can be split up because the data is usually trivial. However I admit that requires further research.
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