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August 03, 2015, 01:58:48 PM
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is that right to mine this coin on smartphone can be done by shaking it?

how long for it to mine 1 mango? because daily only 2 hours,right?

If you shake fast and hard enough (5-8 times per second), you can make about 0.04-0.05 MCZ per minute and you will get 1 MCZ in 20 to 25 minutes.

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August 03, 2015, 05:44:04 PM
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Actually nothing in programs needs to be changed except that on display it would say, e.g. 12,345 MGB = 12.345 MCZ.

This also made the days easier when higher value MCZ and also higher mining difficulties come, and we are mining 2-10 芒果币 MGB (or 0.002-0.010 MCZ) daily.  Anyway MGB is milliMCZ. Mangguobi is Chinese word 芒果币 for "Mango Currency."

DOGEbubble,i agree with you.but the MGB sounds bad,how about MGC? 1 mangocoinz = 1000 mangocoin.
also we could ask the exchanges to use MGC instead of MCZ.
so everything will be very smooth.

wish our dear devs would agree with this.

I certainly hope they don't. Because it's just nonsense. And a waste of time.
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August 04, 2015, 12:50:09 AM
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Having 1 mangocoinz = 1000 mangocoin sounds and looks OK on the print but it would immediately cause confusion in talking, scribbling and daily use. People will start to get confused about  Mango Coins  =?  Mangocoins =? Mango coin =? Mangocoinz =? MCZ  =? MCS =? Mango Currencies

I bet that Mangocoinz was written with MCZ abbreviation to mean somethings like CZ/Cryptocurrencies.

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August 04, 2015, 12:54:05 AM
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Actually nothing in programs needs to be changed except that on display it would say, e.g. 12,345 MGB = 12.345 MCZ.

This also made the days easier when higher value MCZ and also higher mining difficulties come, and we are mining 2-10 芒果币 MGB (or 0.002-0.010 MCZ) daily.  Anyway MGB is milliMCZ. Mangguobi is Chinese word 芒果币 for "Mango Currency."

DOGEbubble,i agree with you.but the MGB sounds bad,how about MGC? 1 mangocoinz = 1000 mangocoin.
also we could ask the exchanges to use MGC instead of MCZ.
so everything will be very smooth.

wish our dear devs would agree with this.

I certainly hope they don't. Because it's just nonsense. And a waste of time.

You need to learn some Psychology.
Very strange,have our devs forseen this case? why they used mangocoinz,instead of mangocoin at the beginning?

Thank you but no. I don't. Really I don't. Identifying utter nonsense doesn't require much psychology.
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August 04, 2015, 04:13:25 AM
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It should never go wrong by Making immediate-future 1 Billion users (or pandas) happy, either by giving MCZ, MGC, or MGB (Mangguobi/MangoBits) to them.  Cheesy

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August 04, 2015, 06:36:21 PM
Last edit: August 04, 2015, 06:52:24 PM by WhyMe
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How works the new Android app ?
What's the 2h counter ?
Lots of crash, and bug with negative hour counter ...
Can we always run the old app ?

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August 04, 2015, 08:21:06 PM
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How works the new Android app ?
What's the 2h counter ?
Lots of crash, and bug with negative hour counter ...
Can we always run the old app ?

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Hey be patient please they are working on it. The development is really massive from when they first started but they are working on it.

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August 05, 2015, 04:47:18 PM
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if they got rid of the timer and i could just go back to keeping it running 24/7 in my pocket id be happy

new platform SUX

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August 05, 2015, 09:40:36 PM
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if they got rid of the timer and i could just go back to keeping it running 24/7 in my pocket id be happy

new platform SUX

But I am not sure if my old iphone 4S (awaiting upgrade later this year) can take the 24-hour lazy mode. I have to fully charge it in order to start the next-daily 2-hour run; I would not  be able to imagine that I might have to keep it running for 24 hours. It blacks out easily. Not every one in this world has a new smartphone.

Returning to the good old days? I do not wish it come back just like the days (before iphone launch and subsequent Android upgrade) when Mangocoinz dropped from my much higher purchase price of 7,000 MCZ (7,000,000 MGC ?) to 200-300 MCZ although I still unhappily bought some of them at those prices.  Cheesy

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August 06, 2015, 01:29:08 PM
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I updated the Android application , but when I tried to enter I receive this message " the account is already online " ... but it's not ! Can you help me about that?
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August 06, 2015, 03:44:04 PM
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I updated the Android application , but when I tried to enter I receive this message " the account is already online " ... but it's not ! Can you help me about that?

Hey Tekna,

Please send us your MangoCoinz username from the email address that you've used to registered with to support@mangocoinz.com and we will help you out.

Best regards, Srele from MangoCoinz.

MangoCoinz, mobile cryptocurrecy mining is here. Available for Android now and soon on the iPhone!
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August 06, 2015, 08:53:22 PM
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But I am not sure if my old iphone 4S (awaiting upgrade later this year) can take the 24-hour lazy mode. I have to fully charge it in order to start the next-daily 2-hour run; I would not  be able to imagine that I might have to keep it running for 24 hours. It blacks out easily. Not every one in this world has a new smartphone.

Returning to the good old days? I do not wish it come back just like the days (before iphone launch and subsequent Android upgrade) when Mangocoinz dropped from my much higher purchase price of 7,000 MCZ (7,000,000 MGC ?) to 200-300 MCZ although I still unhappily bought some of them at those prices.  Cheesy

If your 4S cannot do 2 hour of use then either the battery is busted, or the iPhone app needs improvement due to massive battery drain. Neither of those are valid reasons not to get rid of the timer (broken phone and poor code). The thing is that the old Android app could run 24/7 without barely impacting battery life.

Again, I see no good reason to keep the timer. If it was introduced to avoid people gaming the system, I hardly think that helps. Right now, with limited time, only very high intensity movement of the phone can result in max yield with the 2 hour timer. This is not possible when actually doing real sports! From my experience, running 1 hour makes around 1 mcz, mountainbiking 2 hours about 1.5 mcz. Putting your phone in the tumble dryer, helicoptering it in a sock etc makes more. If Mango really wants to target fitness and running, I think the timer should go and consider adding some sort of location tracking of distance/speed to leverage rewards to avoid gaming. Think about how Google fit and iOS equivalent runs in the background tracking activities. Mango can do the same (as the old app did). Also, getting rid of the timer and rewarding people who do long (and perhaps less intense) exercise might be an idea? In fact, my real favorite moments with Mango was going on 4-5 hour rides and getting larger rewards (possible due to cumulative cap and no time limit). Right now, the whole thing is more of a hassle and I will likely stop using it, and not to recommend it to someone else. Just a the opinion of a user, who has used the app for what it is targeting (exercise) since the beginning.
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August 06, 2015, 11:09:59 PM
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But I am not sure if my old iphone 4S (awaiting upgrade later this year) can take the 24-hour lazy mode.......

Returning to the good old days? I do not wish it come back just like the days (before iphone launch and subsequent Android upgrade) when Mangocoinz dropped from my much higher purchase price of 7,000 MCZ (7,000,000 MGC ?) to 200-300 MCZ although I still unhappily bought some of them at those prices.  Cheesy

Again, I see no good reason to keep the timer............ In fact, my real favorite moments with Mango was going on 4-5 hour rides and getting larger rewards (possible due to cumulative cap and no time limit). Right now, the whole thing is more of a hassle and I will likely stop using it, and not to recommend it to someone else. Just a the opinion of a user, who has used the app for what it is targeting (exercise) since the beginning.

I am afraid that the whole issue is still not about the timer. There is still the same talk (over and over) that somebody wants to make about 7 MCZ by doing the same activity (probably forever). Then you get the same coin forever, and if the price will rise, you would make a lot more money several times easier.

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How come nobody complained about the old "no 2-hr time limit" or the "lazy mode" when you made 7 MCZ x 5000 Satos (or much less) = 35000 Satos or much , much less in the good old days?

Now in fact that he or she is not happy about making 1.5-2 MCZ x 20000 Satos= 30000-40000 Satos running or biking for 2 hours. (Beside, it is possible to make 0.053 MCZ per minute or 6.4 MCZ per day. There are plenty of people achieving that, as proved on the MCZ blockchain viewer https://mangocoinz.com/blockchain)


Beside, some of the Chinese friends do not think that the 2-hr limit is problematic:
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We like the mining timer,2 hours limit.
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And the price is high,who will come and invest.
I want the cheap mcz.

If the problem is the number of Cheap MCZ, then it would even make more sense to give every 1 MCZ=1000 MGC (or MGB, etc.) to make more people happy.
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i have tell some guys about this,they all feel excited.
having 1 mangocoinz=1000 mangocoin will not cause even a little confused,because for us chinese,mangocoinz=芒果币,mangocoin=芒果币,also mangguobi=芒果币.
however,of cause someone will feel uncomfortable,because they have just dumped the buy orders and sold out all his mcz,sadly.ignore these guys.
mine 1 mcz a day will become 1000 mgc,look very sweet...
people will no get confused,but get used to it.
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“1 mangocoinz=1000 mangocoin” will perfectly solve many problems.
thanks.
DOGEbubble,i think our devteam is wisdom enough,wish they will agree with us.

Mangocoinz stands for energies by using the orange color-spectrums; therefore, it is about all activities requiring significant amount of energies and it should be depicted as such to avoid confusion. Having a man and woman Jogging is one of the pictures used to represent but not to exclude other activities which have all been described in the earlier portions of this forum.



The mining difficulties or less MCZ made exists or is expected to exist as more people join- they are racing/competing to get the future limited amount of total MCZ (being 16.7 million MCZ or 16.7 billion MGC, you name it.) Even without an official white paper which declares a mining (block) reward schedules, our DEV'S are wise and this is their coin and they can be entrusted to decide or adjust the reward values, be it officially posted or not.

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The mining difficulties or less MCZ made is not essential but these dramatically enhance the value of a crypto in addition to the increased bases of user/community members in mining, staking (for appreciation), using (in transactions) and promoting the use of Mangocoinz.


Mangocoinz is different but anyone still calls it a "non-crypto"?
It is a fundamental issue, unrelated to what Mangocoinz itself wants to do or achieve, that

Mangocoinz runs a cryptographic software, but only different and unlike a copycat that uses a "cryptographic software written by Eric Young."

It is a bona fide Crypto..............

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August 07, 2015, 02:15:43 PM
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It's really hard to read your posts DOGEbubble, with all that crazy formatting, non-relevant images and weird use of quotes. Anyway, here's an attempt to reply at what I got from it.

First off, I'm not saying we should necessary go back to the same difficulty of "mining" (lets say coin generation instead, as we are not mining really). Anyway, you say 7 MCZ is too high? Well the current is 6.4, not much of a difference really.
Also, the price was high at times, even higher than now, before the new system (2-hr limit) was launched, so your arguments make no sense.
Nevertheless, development is good and the ecosystem seems to be growing.

The point I want to make is about fairness of coin generation and the purpose that MCZ devs try to target, and how I think it is currently not optimal. You state yourself that you can see several accounts making the max limit (>0.05) per minute/sync event in the blockchain.
Now my question is who can that be? Unless there is a large difference between the sensitivity of the phones, there is NO WAY you can make that on regular exercise for a prolonged time (if at all). This is the amount you get by furiously shaking your device. And now who can do that for 2 hours? Probably no person would bother or even be able to do that. Yet, we see numerous of these sync events reaching the max limit.

Let's have a look at the "blockchain" (its more of a log really, there is no such thing as blocks).
I took a sample, by copy-pasting a few times every 3rd minutes from the website log, and looked at the sync events and the transactions being made. In total I caught 9283 sync events and 145 transactions. 61 one of those transactions were NOT fee payments or 0 amount transactions. 320 unique accounts performed syncs.

The majority of the syncs show a "surprising" tendency, with a large number of high sync amounts (see histogram link below). 45% of the accounts had consistent sync amounts (median) above 0.05, 67% above 0.04. 102 unique accounts had syncs above 0.05, and most of these accounts doing more than 40 syncs events of this amount. Sounds like someone exercising? No, these are most likely someone gaming the system, generating the VAST majority of the coins seen in the time window I looked at. 374 coins were generated during the period, 214 by accounts with >0.05 median sync amount, 300 by above 0.04.

Histogram of sync amount frequencies: https://i.imgur.com/x1DDsne.jpg

Now the interesting part is looking at which of the accounts that performed syncs in the time window, also performed transactions. This is very difficult to catch with a limited sample, since syncs and transactions are not likely to take place at the same time. You would rather expect that people generate coins for a while, perhaps even a few days or weeks, and then sends the a transaction.

Still, I could find some accounts that sent transactions while also performing syncs.
Interestingly, many transcations were pointed to the same receivers. For example these were at the end of the time window I looked at (within a short period of time and no other transcations in between, so they could, and likely did, continue to a larger extent):

senderreceiveramount
56D60A20B91776474FC6F6DE088CC80AA3BF860C274D6250884CFBA9B9B9DD753EAB842BCEC7B3E3FB2ED99665BA875DDF70EE824F9ED82A6DBAFD77A98360625.7
2C446A57D93FB059C26E90AFFC8757045D74A64049B537E136DE038B3A4498473EAB842BCEC7B3E3FB2ED99665BA875DDF70EE824F9ED82A6DBAFD77A98360626.3
787B020E91E9361187DE932810B159D4F2BF6AB2DF75DE43132634BA3831AA983EAB842BCEC7B3E3FB2ED99665BA875DDF70EE824F9ED82A6DBAFD77A98360626.3
CA2BCC2EDCD2FA80049B5B294D967FE10B0EAEE2DED2B0C8F8F82E41867356DE3EAB842BCEC7B3E3FB2ED99665BA875DDF70EE824F9ED82A6DBAFD77A98360626.2
F61368F42E9B265787EC7A9508AEF9FF18348B754F6D2E6B218AA8CD68DC167D3EAB842BCEC7B3E3FB2ED99665BA875DDF70EE824F9ED82A6DBAFD77A98360625.6

Look at the amounts, they are close to the max daily limit and from unique senders. Could it be a farm? There are other receiving addresses showing the same pattern.
Also, almost all the senders who are also syncers (potential "farm nodes") generate coins at a high frequency (>0.04).
This is however only the tip of the iceberg. I caught some syncers also sending coins. I suspect that this happens to a much larger degree than what can be seen just looking at a limited segment of the logs.

Devs: please release a full log of syncs and transactions as well as ability to look at individual address balances and transaction history (same functionality as traditional block explorers), so that people can see the real scale of this (they should know about these issues themselves I would hope).

Now, back to my point.
The only ones who can make large amounts and reaching limits of coin generation appear to be gaming the system by farming. This problem is hard to deal with, though there are options to make it more difficult. However, there is a clear unbalance when an honest user is barely able to make 1 MCZ performed the activities for a long period of time, that the project has intended for (i.e. sports of whatever activity).

This is also related to the timer, as with a 2 hour limit there is NO WAY for honest users to make what someone gaming the system can do within that time frame. Whatever purpose the 2 hour timer has, its working against the "real" users and does not affect potential farms.
It also degrades user experience to a large extent compared to a non-intrusive background process (i.e. old Android version), and does not work on Android (largest potential userbase). Frankly, a lot more people here dislike it than like it, DOGEbubble.
So the timer is part of the problem. It is also a problem that its seems very easy for many of the active accounts to reach the max limits, yet is is practically impossible doing so when exercising. So how do these accounts do that? Remember these are (probably) generating the vast majority of new coins, which they will dump or use to manipulate the market.

Please make it at least possible for regular users to generate coins at the same rate as (probable) farming users.

Also please stop taking about MGC, it confuses newcomers and makes no sense. You honestly don't think that 1 Mangocoinz = 1000 Mangocoin is confusing? 1 bitcoins = 1000 bitcoin? If you want a denomination for the lower amounts, that is clearly not the answer. Listen to barabbas, he is talking sense.
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August 07, 2015, 06:11:21 PM
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No please, don't listen to me, listen to YOU, that are willing to do that tremendous job you just posted.

Even before that, sadly, with the recent changes, I am loosing faith in this project altogether very quickly.

This game is rigged, quite obviously, as you just pointed out clearly. But it was even more rigged before because I am quite sure the same people that is gaming the system now was gaming it before, probably in a bigger way.

It also seems to me that these kids, the devs, either don't know how to avoid it technically or are not very interested in fixing it because they are receiving what they perceived to be a fortune with the 1% of the transactions. Or, most likely, both instances combined.

What is now quite clear is that many of the enthusiast -like me-, at the beginning, are dropping the towel: This is going nowhere at present. The main lure (coins for free) is gone. The second main lure (exercise) is also gone. It is a sad joke to pretend in any way to connect this project to exercise. Game, set, match.

I'll give it just another brief chance for the devs to take quick, definitive action. 1.- Eliminate the timer altogether, since it doesn't work. 2.- Make the generator work during exercising, all the way to reach whatever the limits are, so ANYONE can get the max allowed simply by moving the smart phone, as you would do running. 3.- Drop the transfer fees to 0.25%.

Otherwise, this is not serious and not worth anyone's time.

The price in the exchanges has shown clearly that this is going the other way of forward. You may still have another chance, a rare instance. Take it and take it quickly or it will sunk.
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Don't you worry about people leaving, they are doing it. In significant amounts, every day. Soon you actually may be quite alone.

If drastic changes are not implemented in half a month, this project will be just a distant memory in half a year.
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Also please stop taking about MGC, it confuses newcomers and makes no sense. You honestly don't think that 1 Mangocoinz = 1000 Mangocoin is confusing? 1 bitcoins = 1000 bitcoin? If you want a denomination for the lower amounts, that is clearly not the answer. Listen to barabbas, he is talking sense.

Thank you for the analysis.

I was posting mainly to point out that the present reward value even at around 1-2 MCZ is as close to the previous value when 7 MCZ were made. The brief higher values  spanned from more than 10000 satos to less 300 satos but it is fair to say that by even making only 1.5 MCZ now, it still can be better than before. I have been following the prices over the past 5 months very closely.

It is essential for every Manogcoin user to understand that it is a matter of time when user number increases so much that MCZ rewarded would be decreased but the overall value would be about the same or even better in the future (due to about proportionally increased prices). Hopefully, nobody would post their complains about getting 0.01 MCZ,  0.0001 MCZ daily, even if it would be still valued at, say, total of around $2; someone might still complains about the small number of coins.

I have confidence in our dev's all along and they will fix all these problems. No matter what they are going to do, I shall be happy.
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Can someone advise?  From 0.5.3b to 0.8.2

The problem appears in the fact that the old one was a Username and the new one requires an E-mail address to login.  So I when I do "Send" from the old one, it asks for the username.....and entring the E-MAIL of my new wallet gives me an error.

Please advise.

Many thanks in advance.

Anyone?  (To the above?)  Can anyone assist?  This is so frustrating......  Sad
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Can someone advise?  From 0.5.3b to 0.8.2

The problem appears in the fact that the old one was a Username and the new one requires an E-mail address to login.  So I when I do "Send" from the old one, it asks for the username.....and entring the E-MAIL of my new wallet gives me an error.

Please advise.

Many thanks in advance.

Anyone?  (To the above?)  Can anyone assist?  This is so frustrating......  Sad

You should have better lucks by sending messages to

[Any news on that bug solving dev. ?

Expect a dedicated bug solving service with it's own email (bugs@mangocoinz.com) to be live soon.
When sending reports to this service, please be detailed as possible.
What is your phone make and model. Exact model number.
When does the bug occur. What were you doing and the bug happened.
That way we can solve them easier and faster.
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August 08, 2015, 09:20:34 PM
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Making 1 mangocoinz = 1000 sounds good, and no need for confusion, no mgb
and mcz just multiply all existing mcz by 1000... and no confusion should follow.
It promises better growing potential so mango can spread to more people, as
mentioned before psychological factor means a lot here, since no one will be happy to
mine 0.00...1 coins it the future and big numbers allow more precise distribution when
it comes to huge difficulties. And provides chances that 1000 mcz in the future would
worth more then 1 with current model of distibution.

Think about it, i really suggest devs and all investors, early miners to support this idea.
However daily window of 2 hours a day should be probably removed so coin can be more
fair to all users, and not depend on phone sensitivity or internet connection availability...
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