ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[chriswilmer]

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...that can't be right. I think there's a zero missing somewhere. The ROCKMiner test was pretty close to 1 W per GH/s

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[RoadStress]

I think that Spoondoolies is missing from that list. Granted they are pretty new - I'm fairly certain their numbers come close to AM.

I'll take a look at it, I basically copied the data from The Genesis Block and from Rockxie's initial tests post. I'll reiterate that all numbers from the chart are purely hypothetical, with the exception of the ROCKMiner blade (based off of initial tests).

So 11.52 GH for 0.855W? Really? Useless chart is useless.

[binaryFate]

0.855W is per GH, not for the whole chip.

[Franktank]

0.855W is per GH, not for the whole chip.

Damn it, my calculations were off. Misread that and I'll make corrections as necessary. Sorry all.

[bitcoin.newsfeed]

Damn it, my calculations were off. Misread that and I'll make corrections as necessary. Sorry all.

Power consumption on wall:0.684/0.8 = 0.855W/G

[eltopo]

I think that Spoondoolies is missing from that list. Granted they are pretty new - I'm fairly certain their numbers come close to AM.

Here's a review: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525469

Hash rates vary between 1.4 and 1.6TH depending on temperature, and power consumption between 1.1 and 1.3KW from the wall.

That's about 0.8 W/GH.

Does anybody know which vendors are able to deliver < 1 W/GH with current models?

[AMuppInTime]

I think that Spoondoolies is missing from that list. Granted they are pretty new - I'm fairly certain their numbers come close to AM.

Here's a review: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525469

Hash rates vary between 1.4 and 1.6TH depending on temperature, and power consumption between 1.1 and 1.3KW from the wall.

That's about 0.8 W/GH.

Does anybody know which vendors are able to deliver < 1 W/GH with current models?

At this point they are all below that level.
Cointerra has a 20nm at around .7W/GH that had started deliveries in January (TerraMinerIV).
(https://cointerra.com/cointerra-open-silicon-announce-tape-goldstrike1-asic/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvVCISb9N14

KNC has a proven <1W/GH via Jupiters, and is expected to deliver the .51W/GH Neptune this month - Although I couldn't find actual stats this guy has a detailled post as to why:
http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/resellers-affilicates/general-questions/30886-neptune-will-probably-be-4-875gh-at-2-237w-here-s-why-and-what-to-expect

Those numbers are not exactly good. We went from friedcat claiming [.2 (low power) to .35W/GH] to external manufacturers delivering specs that are entirely different(.85W/GH). As a shareholder I would have liked to hear about it here first, and from a direct source.

[jimmothy]

Cointerra is 28nm and 1.2w/gh at the wall.

Knc 28nm is more than 1w/gh and neptunes are expected to be 0.6w/gh at the wall. And neptunes are not shipping for at least 2 months.

0.8 w/gh at the wall is good but not as good as we hoped. But it is likely they can squeeze some more efficiency out of these chips.

[minerpumpkin]

I'm proposing the following questions I intend to submit to Friedcat. Anything to add?

- Thank you Friedcat and the whole team of ASICMiner for always working very hard and being one of the few honest ASIC companies in the Bitcoin world!
- What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?
- What are the final specifications of the generation 3 chips? Initial tests of ROCKMINER showed an increased power consumption. What is the actual power consumption?
- When are the new chips expected to start mining in ASICMiner datacenters?
- When are the sales revenues of the chips expected to be paid out to shareholders?
- Does ROCKMINER (as a big shareholder of ASICMiner) enjoy preferred terms or prices for generation 3 chips?
- What plans for generation 4(+) are there?

[aahzmundus]

I would like to know more about how AM was involved with the AC container project... will AM shareholders see any of the fruits of that project?

[minerpumpkin]

I would like to know more about how AM was involved with the AC container project... will AM shareholders see any of the fruits of that project?

Isn't this basically the immersion-cooling/container setup that gives us dividends?

[binaryFate]

- What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?

For me, this info would be too valuable to be made public (for competitors to set pricing policy for instance).
I would like to know of course, but I understand there is no way for me to know without competitors knowing too...
So as a shareholder I prefer AM to be quiet on this.

[Chris_Sabian]

- What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?

For me, this info would be too valuable to be made public (for competitors to set pricing policy for instance).
I would like to know of course, but I understand there is no way for me to know without competitors knowing too...
So as a shareholder I prefer AM to be quiet on this.

I completely agree.  Keeping a competitive edge trumps shareholder information

[minerpumpkin]

- What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?

For me, this info would be too valuable to be made public (for competitors to set pricing policy for instance).
I would like to know of course, but I understand there is no way for me to know without competitors knowing too...
So as a shareholder I prefer AM to be quiet on this.

I completely agree.  Keeping a competitive edge trumps shareholder information

Okay, I understand your stance. Although I disagree decidedly (no hard feelings  ). I don't see how this will get competitors a decisive edge over AM, as they'll be doing their best anyways. I think it is essential for shareholders getting to know those things. Friedcat has shared similar information before, and I think it should be up to him to decide if he wants to reveal those information.
What are you other guys and girls thinking? I like a constructive discussion! 

[chriswilmer]

- What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that?

For me, this info would be too valuable to be made public (for competitors to set pricing policy for instance).
I would like to know of course, but I understand there is no way for me to know without competitors knowing too...
So as a shareholder I prefer AM to be quiet on this.

I completely agree.  Keeping a competitive edge trumps shareholder information

Okay, I understand your stance. Although I disagree decidedly (no hard feelings  ). I don't see how this will get competitors a decisive edge over AM, as they'll be doing their best anyways. I think it is essential for shareholders getting to know those things. Friedcat has shared similar information before, and I think it should be up to him to decide if he wants to reveal those information.
What are you other guys and girls thinking? I like a constructive discussion! 

I think I'm dying of suspense... I'm excited... but no divs, no updates... makes me a little crazy! What's going on!?

[aahzmundus]

I would like to know more about how AM was involved with the AC container project... will AM shareholders see any of the fruits of that project?

Isn't this basically the immersion-cooling/container setup that gives us dividends?

Yes... that was the test one.  When AC sells that same system to some other company, does AM own any part of that action?  Early information that came out about the project made it sound to me AM owned the technology, not recent news leads me to believe AC owns the technology... who owns it... who benefits from it...  was AM only a testing partner and nothing more?

[rudrigorc2]

quick question, is anyone still maintaining that google drive shareholder list after each dividend?

[necro_nemesis]

Seriously... shouldn't we be more excited about this? I mean, even 1 KW/Thash is fine. As far as I know nobody else can do better and AM can probably out cost anyone. AM should start super mass producing these right? Right?

Yes without splitting hairs the grosso modo effect is there is a solid gen 3 standard ASIC in the hands of AM. The fact that this was done with the decision to utilize 40 nm process node manufactured in an environment where this is most economical to produce and backed by a proven entity like AM is significant.

What is done to capitalize on it could be of even greater significance.

[phr33]

Would be interesting to know what cooling/temps the 0.855W meassurement was taken.

The leakage currents depend on temperature and could increase significant if the chips were too hot, i.e. inefficient cooling was used. Not sure how significant this effect would be in this case. Might be neglectable....

Friedcats numbers could perhaps assume immersion cooling?

Then again the guy who did the testing probably knows this stuff heck of a lot better than me and didn't do any such misstakes.

[Xu]

Large dump just happened on Havelock: sold all the way down to 0.451. Lots of shares up for grabs in the low .50s.