ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[lophie]

Please increase hadalla hashrate . We need 18% hash plants to get better diveidends

salam!

it loks like it might be increasing, 24 hours is ~50 TH/s

My friend my friend. This is good. Allah bless you!! ALLAHU AKHBAR!

Quit with the stereotyping. I find it very offending. Tefham wala la's? A7trm nafsk.

[VolanicEruptor]

Please increase hadalla hashrate . We need 18% hash plants to get better diveidends

salam!

it loks like it might be increasing, 24 hours is ~50 TH/s

My friend my friend. This is good. Allah bless you!! ALLAHU AKHBAR!

Quit with the stereotyping. I find it very offending. Tefham wala la's? A7trm nafsk.

says the guy with the swastika

[philipma1957]

Please increase hadalla hashrate . We need 18% hash plants to get better diveidends

salam!

it loks like it might be increasing, 24 hours is ~50 TH/s

My friend my friend. This is good. Allah bless you!! ALLAHU AKHBAR!

Quit with the stereotyping. I find it very offending. Tefham wala la's? A7trm nafsk.

says the guy with the swastika

yeah I find the swastika offensive.  I also found the Muslim  'jokes'   offensive.  I have no room for  that nasty stuff on this thread. 

[creativex]

yeah I find the swastika offensive.  I also found the Muslim  'jokes'   offensive.  I have no room for  that nasty stuff on this thread.

The meaning of this symbol was corrupted by a madman.

The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" (meaning "good" or "auspicious") combined with "asti" (meaning "it is"), along with the diminutive suffix "ka." The swastika literally means "it is good."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

[lophie]

I am a muslim Arab born and raised in Mecca. Married to a Buddhist. I would know if adopting the swastika as an avatar was offensive and I know what he wrote and the way he wrote it is damn offensive and stereotyping.

Lets not dwell in this anymore in this thread. The guy was a jerk please don't defend him. Thanks for understanding.

[gyverlb]

says the guy with the swastika

yeah I find the swastika offensive.

I'm not sure of the reasons for lophie's avatar but I don't associate it with the Nazi party. It isn't 45° rotated and is bent in the opposite direction. Check Wikipedia for possible interpretations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika.

[KCBitcoin]

I am a muslim Arab born and raised in Mecca. Married to a Buddhist. I would know if adopting the swastika as an avatar was offensive and I know what he wrote and the way he wrote it is damn offensive and stereotyping.

Lets not dwell in this anymore in this thread. The guy was a jerk please don't defend him. Thanks for understanding.

this symbol is indeed pretty sensitive in some western countries.

[lophie]

I am a muslim Arab born and raised in Mecca. Married to a Buddhist. I would know if adopting the swastika as an avatar was offensive and I know what he wrote and the way he wrote it is damn offensive and stereotyping.

Lets not dwell in this anymore in this thread. The guy was a jerk please don't defend him. Thanks for understanding.

this symbol is indeed pretty sensitive in some western countries.

Like what was posted a minute ago. Not tilted, other direction. Ancient symbol with a beautiful meaning. About time people learn real history.

[VolanicEruptor]

I am a muslim Arab born and raised in Mecca. Married to a Buddhist. I would know if adopting the swastika as an avatar was offensive and I know what he wrote and the way he wrote it is damn offensive and stereotyping.

Lets not dwell in this anymore in this thread. The guy was a jerk please don't defend him. Thanks for understanding.

this symbol is indeed pretty sensitive in some western countries.

Like what was posted a minute ago. Not tilted, other direction. Ancient symbol with a beautiful meaning. About time people learn real history.

Sorry I thought WW1/WW2 was considered real history.  

[creativex]

I am a muslim Arab born and raised in Mecca. Married to a Buddhist. I would know if adopting the swastika as an avatar was offensive and I know what he wrote and the way he wrote it is damn offensive and stereotyping.

Lets not dwell in this anymore in this thread. The guy was a jerk please don't defend him. Thanks for understanding.

this symbol is indeed pretty sensitive in some western countries.

Like what was posted a minute ago. Not tilted, other direction. Ancient symbol with a beautiful meaning. About time people learn real history.

Sorry I thought WW2 was considered real history.   

A MADMAN chose a symbol that existed LONG before his birth. He corrupted that symbol and used it as a symbol of terror.

[VolanicEruptor]

I am a muslim Arab born and raised in Mecca. Married to a Buddhist. I would know if adopting the swastika as an avatar was offensive and I know what he wrote and the way he wrote it is damn offensive and stereotyping.

Lets not dwell in this anymore in this thread. The guy was a jerk please don't defend him. Thanks for understanding.

this symbol is indeed pretty sensitive in some western countries.

Like what was posted a minute ago. Not tilted, other direction. Ancient symbol with a beautiful meaning. About time people learn real history.

Sorry I thought WW2 was considered real history.   

A MADMAN chose a symbol that existed LONG before his birth. He corrupted that symbol and used it as a symbol of terror.

Heard you the first time.. that doesn't mean his actions didn't change the meaning of the symbol.  When someones actions make it famous, then it carries a different meaning for most people. 

[gyverlb]

I am a muslim Arab born and raised in Mecca. Married to a Buddhist. I would know if adopting the swastika as an avatar was offensive and I know what he wrote and the way he wrote it is damn offensive and stereotyping.

Lets not dwell in this anymore in this thread. The guy was a jerk please don't defend him. Thanks for understanding.

this symbol is indeed pretty sensitive in some western countries.

Like what was posted a minute ago. Not tilted, other direction. Ancient symbol with a beautiful meaning. About time people learn real history.

Sorry I thought WW2 was considered real history.   

A MADMAN chose a symbol that existed LONG before his birth. He corrupted that symbol and used it as a symbol of terror.

Heard you the first time.. that doesn't mean his actions didn't change the meaning of the symbol.  When someones actions make it famous, then it carries a different meaning for most uneducated people not even trying to change their condition. 

FTFY (unfortunately most/uneducated might designate the same people).

[velacreations]

ok, guys, whatever

div predictions for tomorrow?  hardware sales estimates for this week?  anything else relevant to the discussion?

[kibblesnbits]

I am a muslim Arab born and raised in Mecca. Married to a Buddhist. I would know if adopting the swastika as an avatar was offensive and I know what he wrote and the way he wrote it is damn offensive and stereotyping.

Lets not dwell in this anymore in this thread. The guy was a jerk please don't defend him. Thanks for understanding.

this symbol is indeed pretty sensitive in some western countries.

Like what was posted a minute ago. Not tilted, other direction. Ancient symbol with a beautiful meaning. About time people learn real history.

It's the same symbol that was on an invitation I had for a wedding in India.  I can understand the confusion but take a step back and look at the real picture.  

P.S.  I hate Illinois Nazis.

P.P.S.  enough of the swastika.  More with the dividend.  I want some new friedcat blades!

[lophie]

Yeah div predictions! I think 0.01 max. But more importantly... an update..... we are dying to know what exactly was happening behind the curtains all this time....

[KCBitcoin]

Yeah div predictions! I think 0.01 max. But more importantly... an update..... we are dying to know what exactly was happening behind the curtains all this time....

Yes! we want updates!!! (but not 'labcoin-style' updates)

[PeterB]

DeathAndTaxes, what do the figures in parenthesis signify? I often see process nodes described like this, eg. 65/55nm. Why two figures and not one?

Sorry first portion got chopped off.  I fixed it.

The ones in parenthesis are called half nodes.  In the early days there was just one standardized sets of process nodes.  Each one was linearly 70% of the prior node.  Remember chips are two dimensional so if you cut the length of a gate by 30% then you will cut the area by (0.7^2) by roughly half.  So each process node roughly doubles the number of transistors per square mm.

However the time between major node jumps is at least two years and later that has been slowing down.  For products which need faster improvement cycles (namely GPU) fabs began offering half node equipment.  Also it is sometimes possible for a fab to be upgraded to the half node improvement extending the ecnonomical lifespan of the chip.  Today the use of the term "half nodes" is kinda dated because many designs (like GPUs) simply upgrade only on the half node (i.e. 40nm, 28nm, 20nm).  For all intents and purposes they are just another standardized fabrication size.

As for ASICMiner vs Avalon 110nm is a different process node than 130nm.  For a given design, in theory it will result in smaller transistors, higher clock speed, and more chips per wafer. However the improvements aren't as significant as a full node jump.  If ASICMiner used 110nm instead of 130nm everything else being the same we would expect them to have ~40% higher wafer density (130nm/110nm)^2.  Still Avalon vs ASICMiner brings up a good point.  It shows that DESIGN matters a lot.  Despite the 40% "disadvantage" ASICMiner is more than competitive with Avalon.  Nothing indicates they have higher cost, energy consumption, or lower hashing density. Bitfury (55nm) chips beating KNC (28nm) is another example.  So process node matters but it is only half the equation.

Of course given the NRE costs nobody is going to make a half node jump.  Makes much more sense for ASICMiner to jump down 1 or more full process nodes.

Thanks much for the info.  Heres my question for you and anyone else that knows a good bit about chips.  Will having the competitors' 28 nm chips help friedcat (or any person) develop his own 28 nm more quickly?  Or is all the chip design stuff impossible to "reverse engineer."  I am just curious because I feel friedcat has a big edge with production costs, hosting spaces, electricty, etc.  I am wondering if the experience / expertise edge that companies like CoinTerra have (although I am not totally convinced there aren't some equally experienced experts already employed by friedcat), is a permanent advantage or just temporary.

So will friedcat and others be able to catch up quickly once other producers release their 28 nm chips (if so I am sure friedcat has already ordered some from CoinTerra), or would you really have to see their designs and other protected IP?

[DeathAndTaxes]

Heres my question for you and anyone else that knows a good bit about chips.  Will having the competitors' 28 nm chips help friedcat (or any person) develop his own 28 nm more quickly? 

Simple answer no.  Reversing engineering microprocessors can be done in theory.  It has been done in the past, multiple companies built unlicensed x86 processors until Intel killed them in court.  There is no reason to even try in this case; the knowledge of SHA-2 operations is public available you can design your own 28nm chip faster and cheaper than trying to reverse engineer someone else's design.

[zoinky]

I am a muslim Arab born and raised in Mecca. Married to a Buddhist. I would know if adopting the swastika as an avatar was offensive and I know what he wrote and the way he wrote it is damn offensive and stereotyping.

Lets not dwell in this anymore in this thread. The guy was a jerk please don't defend him. Thanks for understanding.

this symbol is indeed pretty sensitive in some western countries.

Like what was posted a minute ago. Not tilted, other direction. Ancient symbol with a beautiful meaning. About time people learn real history.

Sorry I thought WW1/WW2 was considered real history.  

I agree with this, I'm bothered by the people that like to dwell on the fact that it was a symbol well before it was re-defined worldwide.  But what can you do...

[VolanicEruptor]

I am a muslim Arab born and raised in Mecca. Married to a Buddhist. I would know if adopting the swastika as an avatar was offensive and I know what he wrote and the way he wrote it is damn offensive and stereotyping.

Lets not dwell in this anymore in this thread. The guy was a jerk please don't defend him. Thanks for understanding.

this symbol is indeed pretty sensitive in some western countries.

Like what was posted a minute ago. Not tilted, other direction. Ancient symbol with a beautiful meaning. About time people learn real history.

Sorry I thought WW1/WW2 was considered real history.  

I agree with this, I'm bothered by the people that like to dwell on the fact that it was a symbol well before it was re-defined worldwide.  But what can you do...

It's common in the nerd community to do this, as it is typically an anti-social thing to dance around with that symbol behind an anonymous face.  Society doesn't like it, so they do it here.