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1101  Economy / Economics / Re: If you were in desperate need for money.... on: April 09, 2017, 11:14:05 AM
Paying your debt is the most important thing after you get the help. Sometimes we are just good in borrowing money but when payment time
comes we seem to forget, let's not forget that we are building reputation here and if we do not have a good one then we will surely not gonna
be given a chance to borrow again, worst if desperate times come again.

It's just that people think that it's alright with the lender for them not to pay their debt especially if the lender is their friend or a relative. They are thinking "It's probably okay if I just pay next month. At least I paid, right?" until that next month becomes next next month and so on.. Until he forgets that he has debt from his friend. Of course the friend will still have the debt on his mind because he is low-key waiting for him to pay.

You don't need to build such reputation after you got the loan. In real life, even if you don't pay your debt from 2 or 3 people, it's alright. Your reputation is still good unless they spread rumors to your other friends. While here in bitcointalk, one unpaid debt destroys your whole reputation. It's kind of a good thing for the lenders since they know that the guy will pay them eventually since it's important here to maintain good reputation.
1102  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin has no competition on: April 09, 2017, 11:03:12 AM
BTC has no competition because most of the other cryptos don't possess the neccessary qualities to bring something better than what BTC has.They are just kind of in their own thing but they cannot make a difference on a global level and that is why they can't go to another level.So BTC will most likely be the number one crypto for quite a long time to come,for me the most interesting question is which will be the crypto that will have the chance to surpass BTC and how long will it take

I think it will not take long for a killer coin to replace bitcoins. The dump will be much faster than expected. When we finally got the coin that we all want, everyone will be dumping their coin and the dump will make others panic sell even when they didn't even fully understand the new coin yet. Everyone wants a lightning network, so I guess that will be enough to surpass bitcoins.

The better coin will not compete with bitcoins at all because it doesn't have to. People will migrate by their own. It's unlikely that it will beat bitcoins because of some advertisement or some marketing strategy. It will beat bitcoin because of the new features that it has and it will probably have no major disadvantages or drawbacks for those new feature.
1103  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Someone told me HASHOCEAN is coming back on: April 08, 2017, 12:33:55 PM
yes .. we must implement new money .. divine money ... and register all users with say bonus or balance of 10 000 dollars and continue same hyip or ponzi scheme so we go ... hah .. we have a job to do ... lol .. i am here to guide you .. but you must be leaders .. so simple ... same pattern but new character ... mundane was ruling hashocean behavior ... we go divine now ...! thanks

Lol, using what? All the spammy/scummy websites that you have on your signature? You're basically proposing to us to do ponzi with you but we are going to be the "leaders". And of course you will be the leader of the leaders since you're the one that started it. This is no different with any other ponzi scam. You're just doing a different approach in making people join you. You're talking to us personally to persuade us to join "your journey" aka your ponzi scheme.
1104  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitCoin 20 Years From Now on: April 08, 2017, 12:17:54 PM
I think bitcoin will remain the top cryptocurrency but I think it is going to lose some of its dominance as other coins keep appearing that are able to perform better in particular circumstances, coins like monero are going to keep getting some of the market thanks to its particular characteristics.

Altcoins will always have a part of the market simply because they will always attract investors. Even if an altcoin doesn't get that much from the crowdsale, just from the altcoin traders alone gives them a good share of the market.

I think bitcoin wouldn't lose dominance because there are many coins that are able to perform better in certain aspects. It will only take one coin for bitcoin to die. One coin that has all the necessary features that we both need and want like lightning transactions. Many coins with a slight improvement wouldn't do that much damage to bitcoins. In simpler words, quality over quantity.
1105  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: April 08, 2017, 12:06:19 PM
You forget to include a word for it, invest only with those casino's that are reputable, trusted and running for years already.

It's a very important factor if you want to invest into a casino. Also look for reasonable return of your investment.

Because there might some that will indicate, guaranteed a big amount which will mislead a lot of investors.

Look always for those that has a solid support, devs and has a very good review from the community.

If a gambling site is already running for years, then they already have the funds. There's no reason for them to need more unless they got raped by a hustler and their bankroll is currently running low on funds which I really doubt.

Again, it will not have a good review until the casino has been running for a long time. How can you review something that's just starting out? A gambling casino cannot be a reputable/trusted one unless they have been running for months/years already. Then again, that means they are already funded.

Most gambling sites that's looking for investors are the new ones. Which means, it's not yet reputable and it doesn't have any reviews yet.
1106  Economy / Economics / Re: Does the Price of Bitcoin Matter? on: April 08, 2017, 10:48:12 AM
For me the price of Bitcoin is a relevant matter it was the one that got started me with Bitcoin in the first place. I was just a regular man surfing the web when I come across an article  with the lines "Bitcoin Getting more Stable than Gold" so I got curious what is this Bitcoin anyway that makes it more valuable than gold? And for the majority of the first timers they will say how could something that only exist in the internet has this kind of value? For me Bitcoin's price can also be a factor to attract more demand because they will be curious on what it is and how they will benefit from using it compared to Fiat Currency.

It has value because of the things that you can do with your bitcoins. You're using it simply because you need it to have better transaction with other people. Bitcoin is utilitarian (definition: designed to be useful or practical rather than attractive). Without its uses, bitcoin will simply be a combination of 1s and 0s.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if something that lives off the internet has so much value. Just look at the CS:Go items (See: article). The items that exists on the CS:Go have a higher price than when you are going to buy the real item (for example, a knife with some engraved stuffs on it). You can also trade CS:Go items just like in bitcoins especially the ones that are seasonal/limited.
1107  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin be replaced by another cryptocurrency? on: April 07, 2017, 07:16:30 PM
I dont think that bitcoin will ever be replaced by other cryptocurrency because bitcoin is the original and root of all the other cryptocurrency. Without bitcoin, there will be no other altcoins, they will never think or create another cryptocurrency. They are just fmaking altcoins, because there are some points that they do not like on bitcoin, it is like covering up the the flaws of bitcoin then making them a new name.

Even if there is no bitcoin, at some point someone will think about the very same idea. If Satoshi was able to think about it, so can the other people that share the same field of interest with Satoshi. There's newer and newer concepts popping up and someone that has knowledge in both the economy and cryptography will eventually think about starting a revolution. Although possibly it will be decades from now before someone ever thinks about this very same idea. That's why you'll someday stumble upon an article that's has a theory that Satoshi came from the future, and left us behind with the bitcoin idea (to save from what the future monetary system holds).
1108  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading is unpredictable job. on: April 07, 2017, 07:06:36 PM
We all know that there is risk in trading, but if we can minimize if then it is good on our side. To reduce risk, one have to understand the maximum money that you can lose on the trade and you should ask yourself if you are willing to accept the lose. Remember, every time a trade is made, a risk is assumed. Therefore, one of the easiest ways to reduce risk is not to over trade.

That doesn't reduce risk at all but rather you're just acknowledging the risk you're taking whenever you trade and when you do that, it goes without saying that you're going to trade only what you can afford to lose. But some prefer doing big trades and they keep looking for that one coin that they can buy early on and then trade for a much higher price.

Reducing the trade amount doesn't necessarily reduce risk. You're just reducing the "risked amount" of money. Some people reduce risk by buying only the coins that just got dumped by the bounty participants. That means you are going to buy at a price lower than the ICO price and then later on sell it for the ICO price (or even higher) once the dump is over. In simpler words, you're going to buy at the dip caused by the crowdsale bounty participants.
1109  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is 1000 btc Possible on: April 07, 2017, 06:55:30 PM
1000 Bitcoins, in what period of time? This is enormous amount and would be very, very hard to get. Unless if the person is the criminal so it can use other means and criminal activities to get to the coins. But with no trading or Bitcoin connected job you can earn that much in your lifetime. Unless you are Trump.  Grin

Or unless you have the knowledge that's required for a high paying job. 1000BTC is not that large if you look at the top of the chain. Of course not all of us are a candidate to such job but you get my point. It doesn't require to be illegal or some shady business, you just have to know something that others don't or have a skill that others can't do. Actually, even committing crime to get this amount of money will require a good amount of skill and knowledge.

For example, the famous ICO scam. They can't do it without knowing how to make a coin, start a team, and how to exit the scene without leaving a trail. 1000BTC is far from the amount of money that you can get from mediocre crime. You have to do something big to earn this much from a shady business.
1110  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What Is Bitcoin Trading and Why It's risky? on: April 07, 2017, 09:20:45 AM
You are right, even bitcoin is highly fluctuating, comparatively it is less risky for the traders who are ready to hold it for long. Just waiting with your position will definitely get your profits with bitcoin trading.

Only the traders who are doing day trading must be finding bitcoin trading as highly risky one. Because they cannot be sure prices to bounce back within a day but holding bitcoin is always proving as a profitable one hence the risks of bitcoin trading would be eliminated.

I think it's just as risky with the long term holders. Short term holders and long term holders share the same market. The long term holder guy still have to wait for a good price to sell his coins and not just sell whenever he wanted to. I'd say that it's just as risky because the long-term holder might need money urgently and end up selling at the dip. If the short term holder guy is unsure of his decision, he can simply hold his coins a little longer and do nothing at all.

Bitcoin is highly fluctuating but altcoins are even more risky. The volume of altcoins is much lower compared to bitcoins. Therefore, anyone that has a decent amount of bitcoin can be a whale in the altcoin market. The market manipulation and pump-and-dump scheme can be done much easier there and more people can do it.
1111  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin is a good investment now, because... on: April 07, 2017, 08:54:59 AM
Enthusiasm for novelty, however, can be damaging. There are reports from financial institutions, such as the European Central Bank, that show that Bitcoin has many points in common with pyramid schemes, otherwise known as "multilevel marketing." You see, we're not talking about buying Bitcoin the same as investing in TelexFree, but you have to be aware that Bitcoin is still a developing currency with no government control. So you need to be aware that various problems can happen, such as thefts or who knows a sharp devaluation of the currency, which can lead to financial losses for those who wanted to use Bitcoins as a form of investment.

Only invest what you can afford to lose. Bitcoin can be a large pyramid scheme but who knows? All zero-sum market can be looked as a pyramid scam but we can't disprove it and at the same time, we cannot prove that bitcoin isn't a pyramid scam. The only good thing about bitcoins is that you can exit anytime you want. If you're thinking that this is a pyramid scam and it's bothering you, you can save yourself by disposing all of your coins. You can't do this in a usual MLM. Once you joined, your money belongs to the pyramid and the only way for you to get out without loss it to refer someone and earn from the affiliate program.

People always ask questions that have can't be answered at all so it's no wonder why most of us are asking is "Bitcoin just a huge pyramid scam?"
1112  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: April 06, 2017, 01:33:28 PM
paper money or cash will die, but I dont see it happening in the US for another 30 or so years. They will slowly pull it out of circulation and not just ban it all at once.

Right. There are so many powerful people that can be affected if paper money will be remove. Mentioning businessman, bankers, central banks, banks owners and governments, this will be a bloody war if Bitcoin happened to replace fiat. Banning all of fiat might be possible but they will only make it possible  they can control cryptocurrencies too. They won't agree to a situation where they will lose, that's how the world works now.

It maybe a hundred more years before fiat can be replace. Yup, I believe in bitcoins potential to overthrow fiat but I just don't see it happening now. There's so many flaws, factors, and odds.

I think at the time when paper money is already gone, people actually chose to convert all of their paper money to bitcoin and not that the government banned paper money. They are not going to ban it because it belongs to them. It's their primary way to control their people. It will be more of a revolution. People has chosen to use an unregulated currency rather than staying as a slave to their government.

In a situation like that, whether they agree or not, whether they're going to lose or not, they don't really have the choice since people have already made their decision. Although of course the government will do action to fight it, if we really are in a democratic country and the power really belongs to the people like they say, we should win.
1113  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best source of bitcoin nowadays? on: April 06, 2017, 01:23:35 PM
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"It didn't work for me, pretty sure it's not working out for everybody else." How about no? I'm sure that if you put enough effort on finding referrals, you will get active referrals. Simply knowing a friend that's interested in bitcoins gives you one potential active referral. If you don't have someone who's interested in bitcoins, then make them. Talk about bitcoins to them and tell them how much you've made so far.

You don't just post your referral link on Facebook and then expect someone to join you. It doesn't work that way. Others make blog about bitcoin just to get referrals. It's on you how are you going to make people sign up under you.

Has it worked for you though? How many working referrals do you actually have? I have a feeling that you have no idea what you are talking about. "Others make blog about bitcoin just to get referrals." Really? Who's gonna read that blog? And even if someone will, what will keep them out of removing the referral link and go directly to the site?

All I can say is you don't have to be as successful as the person you are using as an example to prove that you're right. Smiley People use Bill Gates as an example for success all the time most especially if the topic is about journey to success of a business even when the person didn't have college education.

I'm not really sure why do you ask me who's going to read the blog. Of course the people that are interested in that topic. If you have a blog and you don't have an audience, that's not on me. It's on you how are you going to persuade people to read your blog as well as sign up your referral link.

Your reply is just the typical "If I can't give out a valid argument, I'm going to attack the guy personally and do a background check." The typical "But can you do it, though?" is not really the best way to have a conversation with someone since you're not focusing on discussing the idea. You're focusing instead on proving that the other guy "Can't do it." so he doesn't have to rights bring up that argument. Which not only leads to fights and flaming but also makes the whole thing eventually go either off-topic, personal, or nonsense.
1114  Other / Archival / Re: Do you agree with idea "Bitcoin bank" ? on: April 06, 2017, 01:13:47 PM
I think if there is bank certainly will make bitcoin bitcoin position better and stronger so that it will increase the price and never make the price drop significant.

It might. In a way, bitcoin getting accepted by the regular banks will have quite the same effect as bitcoin ETF. Bitcoin ETF is there for those people that want to invest in bitcoin but don't know have the knowledge to do so. With bitcoin banks, one can simply buy bitcoins and he'll know that the bank is protecting his coins. Although of course the safety is not guaranteed, people will use the bitcoin bank just because they don't know how to setup their own wallet.

That means that non-bitcoin users and non-tech savvy people will be encouraged to use bitcoins for the sake of having profits later on when the price increase.
1115  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What would happen if BTC was Banned? on: April 06, 2017, 12:58:22 PM
Even if Bitcoin gets banned, it won't have much effect on the community. People will continue using it since there is no way track them down. For example, Bitcoin is already banned in countries like Russia, Iceland, etc. but the locals are still able to use it and make transactions through BTC. Since the currency is decentralized and there is no system to track the transactions, it's almost impossible to put a complete ban on it.

I think the way they are going to track the bitcoin users is they are going to investigate if someone is selling/buying bitcoins. And then do a sting operation to confirm that the business is actually going on. Of course there wouldn't be exchanges in a country where bitcoin is banned so they would have to meet up. It will be just like how you bust a drug dealer.

But I don't really see the point of doing this when bitcoin don't do anything at all in the economy as of today. In fact, it's making the economy of a country grow. We are not at the point where bitcoin becomes a threat to the government's currency for a government to ban it.
1116  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In what situation would Bitcoin die? on: April 06, 2017, 09:20:53 AM
I think Bitcoin will dead if every country decides to ban Bitcoin permanently. Then, there will be no more people using Bitcoin because they might be arrested in this condition. And bitcoin can also be dead if there are a new cryptocurrency which is more profitable, more advance and can fix most of the bug of bitcoin. In the future, there will be more cryptos qualifying these facors.

Not that people are going to stop using bitcoins, but they will just be more discreet about it. It will be just like online gambling that's banned in a lot of countries but people are still doing it. Even when a normal individual sees another guy gambling online, he doesn't care. It's not as if they are hurting somebody or harming themselves.

New cryptocurrencies are always more profitable, more advanced, and can fix the bugs of bitcoin. But none of them has replaced bitcoin. All these improvements wouldn't make people leave bitcoin and then migrate to the new coin. Although of course a lightning network with ping-time transactions will surely make people migrate. Other coins are just "slightly" better than bitcoins when it comes to transaction time and that's the issue most bitcoin users are having.
1117  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin be replaced by another cryptocurrency? on: April 05, 2017, 06:29:09 PM
Does it make sense to believe that Bitcoin could one day be replaced by another cryptocurrency, that is, a cryptocurrency that really does make Bitcoin obsolete?
i think bitcoin would not be replace by another cryptocurrency because of its popularity and its features.but if the another currency which would more advance than bitcoin,and having more features than bitcoin could be replace.

Litecoin should have replaced bitcoins a long time ago if so. Almost every altcoin out there are better than bitcoins in terms of features. The only thing that let bitcoin stay at the top is the fact that it's much more popular than most coins and it's the base line of everything. We are all here because of bitcoins. All altcoin's concept is based from bitcoin's concept. Decentralized, anonymous, fast and cheap transactions, etc. At some aspects, altcoins are better than bitcoins.

Popularity is the number one thing that makes people buy something. Like, if Starbucks' coffee or In and Out's burger or Chipotle's burrito wasn't all hyped up on the Internet, people will not be buying those stuffs. We all know that it's unhealthy and there exists much better food than those, but we keep on buying them just because it's popular. It's so popular that we start liking it even when we initially don't.
1118  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: April 05, 2017, 06:17:14 PM
the best crypto currency investment will have to be gambling business....so long you invest in a good support team, fast grading system and stay in line with professional ethics your business is destined for success.

Actually, that's kind of the problem. If there exists such team, they are already funded by someone privately. It is hard to find one so you have to create one yourself which is extremely difficult imo. You have to give salary to the support team, which is obviously you cannot generate in the start because the gambling business is just starting out. There are gambling sites that looked "okay" but shut down after a couple of weeks when they got low on funds due to the expense of advertising and payment for the staffs.

Ultimately, what makes a gambling business grow is the number of players. Now, if you don't have enough money to let your casino run for a couple of months without ever generating profit, then you can possibly earn from that

Investing in gambling business is not as easy as it looks. Others picture it as if there's a certain amount of money needed for the business to start working and you can invest right away even when you just have a small amount. Then you'll get a share which size is depending on how many funds was collected. That is how it is to most business especially the large ones but most of the time, gambling business has private funding.
1119  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin make Banks disappear? on: April 05, 2017, 05:38:59 PM
This idea is already too far-fetched. Look at Bitcoin right now, some are saying it can be controlled by China and if there is even a slight truth on that then I don't think any nation will ever allow their banks (including central banks) be gobbled by Bitcoin. Look at the current debate on hard fork right now...it is a divisive debate and one that exposed so many vested interest...with that story on the backdrop do we really think Bitcoin and the community behind it be given a chance to wipe out banks and be the banking industry itself. No, what am sure is that the banking industry would soon adopt some idea of the blockchain or any from the cryptocurrency industry. Bitcoin and the banks can be complimenting each other not that they will kill each other. The internet did not kill radio, tv and even the printed newspaper are still around and can also be adopting the situation all in the name of survival. We are entering a very diversified and very "niched" society so we have a place for any industry and for anyone.

"I did not kill my ancestors, therefore, other new innovations wouldn't either."

It doesn't matter if that's the case for the Internet. Bitcoin is different. You can't just look at other things and be "Ohh, Bitcoin will do that as well. They will have the same logic." I'm not dismissing the possibility of that happening, but I'm saying is that you're basing what will happen to X stuff from what has happened to Y stuff.

The internet did not kill radio, tv, and the newspaper. Yet, all of that is just a small part of the Internet. Today, you can do that using the internet. Radios are aired online as well. For tv, we have netflix. And for newspaper, we have Google, Yahoo, and almost all news articles are already posted on the Internet.

Since you like applying the same logic of Y to X. How about this? It will be the same. Fiat will just be a small part of bitcoin as well. And all of the things that you can do with fiat, is just a small part of bitcoin. Actually that's the case already. But bitcoin user base is still nothing compared to fiat's user base.
1120  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can not replace fiat on: April 05, 2017, 05:25:05 PM
It's not clear to me how bitcoin replace fiat. Bitcoin is a gold alternative, not really a fiat alternative. In order for Bitcoin to replace fiat, it would need to activate segwit first in order to profit from Lightning Networks in its full capacity.

As of today, segwit doesn't seem possible in bitcoin, but it does in Litecoin. Maybe Litecoin will replace fiat, and Bitcoin will replace gold.

Gold is precious because of its physical appearance. Unless you're talking about digital gold, I don't see any reason as to why it will be replaced by bitcoin. Gold is used in the technology world. Gold is used as well for luxuries. Bitcoin cannot do those things.

I wonder why Litecoin (or any coin for that matter) hasn't replace bitcoin yet. Even Eth hasn't replaced bitcoin yet. Bitcoin is just too strong right now to get replaced by another coin. BCU didn't even do enough damage to bitcoin. It did a good intro though. But now the coin as well as the Hard fork drama is gone.

Lightning transaction really is a necessity for bitcoin to take over. But we are not at the point yet whereas we need it a lot. Today, the transactions are still almost an instant.

(Plz don't give me the "bitcoin transactions takes too much time to get confirmed" comment because the answer will be "put some transaction fee")
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