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"Even if tomorrow, an email was found, it is not a high enough bar of evidence to prove any interactions as emails can be altered and we've seen that those interested in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so," Bauman said. "We are a family who is committed to facts, not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement and the general public from finding Seth's murderers."[/b]
But, unofficially a federal investigator (according to Fox) has said emails exist, but the investigation is stalled. We will see, but I'm thinking this one might be bunk. If it is true and he did get wrapped up in some shit, it will get buried in the Trumpian news cycle.
Emails can be altered? Bauman isn't very familiar with computer forensics. Buried in the Trumpian news cycle? You mean some people wouldn't like it to be proved that the LEAK was a DNC staffer who was murdered, and not Russia? What exactly do you wish to happen on this? Oh, I give few fucks. I hate that the young man perished, I hate to see anyone suffer. But maybe we have more pressing concerns at the moment, and his family is asking for privacy. Just because you ask doesn't mean you get, but respect for the dead and all that jazz. I actually think there is something to this, it just won't see the light, esp in this 'Trumpian news cycle'. Let me explain. Go to any major new source. not the political section, the general us news. See Trump? Exactly. Jesus could return right now and I think people would still be talking about Comey. Think of the implications. The gov killed him, that's the most obviously motivated actor. You think that's going to get resolved anytime soon? Hold your breath. Trump will be in jail before this is a msm talking point again. Much as y'all hate the msm, that's Mammon, in all its substance. More the mouthpiece of the beast, but that another convo. You can't deny Mammon, you can only adapt. We are creatures of substance. Acknowledge the world you live in, it's corrupt to shit. Cool to be paranoid, but be real. |
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Recommendation:
1. Executive order banning congressional insider trading with the same penalties that apply to everyone else.
2. Investigate MSM for illegal insider trading. You know how they get all those leaks...
3. New FBI director with focus on those 2 objectives.
It's called gaining a breathing space in a strategic term. How couldn't it not work?
1) Trump's on the way out. His final executive order may not stand, I'm curious to see how they will treat his retroactive doctrine if he gets impeached. The SEC already has draconian penalities for this, but has been weakened a bit by Trump with the repeal of Dodd-Frank. Still, the teeth should be sharp enough, we just need a Justice Dept. that's not in bed with the banks, that will aggressively prosecute them. 2) Privacy of sources is protected, and must be for the fourth estate to function properly. The leaks would originate at the company itself; these are usually folks telling people to liquidate a position before it goes to shit. For the bull market manipulators, it's pretty obvious to buy a bunch a sideways stocks right before it goes north. These secrets aren't shared if the net gain is too great; the SEC is really, really attentive to this sort of stuff. It's their bread and butter, it's literally how they keep the lights on. 3) We will have a new director, but the repeal of Dodd Frank really takes.away alot of his power in this sphere. Obvious malfeasance could still be prosecuted, BU intent is much harder to prove innthe new legal climate. I can't attribute anything 'fourth dimensional' to Trump at this point. So, I have to take his actions at face, he's in over his head. He won't go after this even if he does persist, because this would fuck up his bottom line. The conflict of interest is real, y'all. |
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Now the errors and scandals connected with Trump are of much greater interest to people than mass shootings. Media always focus on the interests of readers and more coverage of these events. Maybe the reason Trump. Disappear Trump will appear the shooting.
Mass shootings, at least in the US, aren't that common. They just tend to get sensationalized, ESP when they happen around schools. Trump didn't assist this, if anything the level of vitrol and discord in society would have this more likely to happen at the present moment. You gave been groomed to fear by certain news sources. They got your hopes up  |
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Seriously? Historically trains have been subjects of terrorism, when they were the most popular transport, and if they managed to blow up those trains in Madrid back in 2004 in the train station(supposedly secure) imagine how easily they can ambush or simply derail them while they're in transit.
Yeah man, he's right. The fact that trains aren't subject to as tight of security as planes makes it so you are actually more likely to get fucked up on a train. While 911 was some bullshit, it was kind of a singular event. Terror happens much more frequently on other, more mundane types of transport, like buses. Or, sans vehicle, in the case of mosque explosions or the recent Europe vehicular homicide attacks (perpetrated with a vehicle, but the victims were pedestrians). |
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For the past several months, Democrats have based their "Resist 45" movement on unsubstantiated assertions that the Trump campaign coordinated with Russian intelligence officials to undermine the 2016 Presidential Election thereby 'stealing' the White House from Hillary Clinton. Day after day we've all suffered through one anonymously sourced, "shock" story after another from the New York Times and/or The Washington Post with new allegations of the 'wrongdoing'.
But, new evidence surfacing in the Seth Rich murder investigation may just quash the "Russian hacking" conspiracy theory. According to a new report from Fox News [4], it was former DNC staffer Seth Rich who supplied 44,000 DNC emails to WikiLeaks and not some random Russian cyber terrorist, as we've all been led to believe.
According to Fox News, though admittedly via yet another anonymous FBI source, Rich made contact with WikiLeaks through Gavin MacFadyen, an American investigative reporter and director of WikiLeaks who was living in London at the time. According to Fox News sources, federal law enforcement investigators found 44,053 emails and 17,761 attachments sent between DNC leaders from January 2015 to May 2016 that Rich shared with WikiLeaks before he was gunned down on July 10, 2016.
More hereKill this, less it become the phoenix that was PizzaGate. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/16/slain-dnc-staffer-had-contact-with-wikileaks-investigator-says.htmlThe family of the Democratic National Committee staffer who was gunned down on July 10 on a Washington, D.C., blasted reports that he was a source of emails leaked to WikiLeaks.
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Wheeler told host Sean Hannity the investigator "came across [as] very credible. When you look at that, with the totality of everything else that I found in this case, it’s very consistent for a person with my experience to begin to think, 'Well, perhaps there were some email communication between Seth and Wikileaks.'"
But a spokesman for Rich's family on Tuesday said Wheeler was not authorized to speak for the family and called assertions Seth Rich sent emails to WikiLeaks "unsubstantiated." Brad Bauman said even if purported emails were to surface, it would not necessarily mean Rich had helped WikiLeaks.
"Even if tomorrow, an email was found, it is not a high enough bar of evidence to prove any interactions as emails can be altered and we've seen that those interested in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so," Bauman said. "We are a family who is committed to facts, not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement and the general public from finding Seth's murderers."But, unofficially a federal investigator (according to Fox) has said emails exist, but the investigation is stalled. We will see, but I'm thinking this one might be bunk. If it is true and he did get wrapped up in some shit, it will get buried in the Trumpian news cycle. |
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WikiLeaks Offers "US$100k For The Trump-Comey Tapes" Following what many have described as a threat from President Trump earlier this morning directed at former FBI Director James Comey, WikiLeaks has just blasted out the following tweet offering a $100,000 reward for the "Trump-Comey tapes." Moreover, folks who want to up the reward are encouraged to send bitcoins.
Of course, the message is a direct response to Trump's tweet from earlier which implied that there may in fact be recordings of his conversations with Comey.
For a White House that has been plagued with leaks from day 1, we have to imagine this added incentive is somewhat concerning for a Presidency under siege from all angles. Read more at http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-12/wikileaks-offers-us100k-trump-comey-tapes. Those tapes won't be necessary Comey wrote the shit down. I must say, he was on my bastard list after the Hillary reveal, but now, he can sit with us. Clever man. So the scoop is Trump flat out asked Comey to kill the Flynn investigation. Apparently (this is all unsubstantiated, by me at least, but being widely reported as from 'official sources), he asked Sessions and Pence to leave the room, looked Comey in the eye and flat out asked him to dead the Flynn investigation, after getting briefed from Yates about the issues with Flynn. Obvious Watergate jokes and comparisons aside, this is a huge obstruction of justice. A round of applause for 45. That took nuts people. It was fucking retarded, like, full retarded, but the gesture was a grand gambut, a binary that apparently didn't go so bigly. Comey went home and wrote the shit down, and shared it with a select few folks to cover his ass. In fact, I remember Comey saying during an meeting that he would 'definitely finish serving his full term as director', which was odd because no one really asked him that, at the time. He was talking across the table, so to speak, that was aimed at Trump. Trump took the bait, canned his ass, and now we have an infinite popcorn scenario. At this point, it would be unkind to kick a downed man. I will cease being so cynical if I can help it (some of this shit is just ignorant, it defies logic of explanation and must be pointed out). He's in over his head, the GOP just cut loose the kite string, the majority of America would like to see him impeached, and this is like if Nixon and Ollie North had a baby that sold guns to drug cartels. This is done people. Watch everything wrap up, it will play out so very interestingly. America's gonna be great again, shortly |
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I think Trump getting elected is just like Obama getting elected, its not like either of them had house majority or anything
Obama: won popular vote Trump: didn't win popular vote. Obama: legitimacy of office in question, served two terms Trump: is currently being investigated for treason, concerning Russian collusion. May be impeached shortly after his first 100 days. Obama: is a career politician. Trump: is a reality television star. My man, it's apples and orange. Rotten apples though. |
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Move on please people, fake or not fake he didn't give Russians the nuclear launch codes of USA just a few intell about some ISIS related stuff. Don't make a mountain out of a pebble. Let Trump be, soon he will surrender the country to the north Korean leader after a BJ in the white house.  The media is using each and every opportunity it gets to tarnish Trump. What they are failing to realize is the fact that their actions are having the exact opposite of the desired effect. The number of people who trust the mainstream media is getting smaller every day. of information. Who would not say, but the news we learn only from the media.You may not trust one or more media, but other information source you have. Trump revealed the secret or not .... Yes, you can be sure about it. You don't need an "alternative source," but if you want something, maybe... drudgereport.com instapundit.com Basically, these accusations are fucking nuts. Of course the Commander in Chief of the country can discuss classified data with other countries' leaders. That's what he should do. He makes deals with them, uses data to advise them on bad shit coming down, maybe in their neighborhood. They reciprocate. You don't need an "alternative source." Just need to think through the events being described, then see there's nothing there that is negative for Trump. Nothing at all. These media jerk offs are grasping at straws. I concur, it is his job, but he also has to do said job well. He can tell all the classified Intel he wants, but it might be stupid to say, compromise ongoing Intel operations concerning Israel, who I'm not a fan of (the GOP lurvs Israel, but to be fair, the DNC does too). It's a baker's job to bake breads and delicious confections; but when the cookies are burnt to shit, and the bread is stale, you may want to look at getting a new Baker. The hilarious part is this is similar to how Obama was treated by Fox during his 8 years, every mundane thing was sensationalized, including the birther shit and the Muslim rumors. We won't even address the extreme right wing media, he was everything from the AntiChrist to a Saudi plant bent on spreading Sharia law through the US. The difference is Trump is highly unpopular, as the legitimacy of his office is in question. Also, he is the literally most unqualified person to be the president, as proven through action. This isn't conjecture folks. I would take Kid Rock, or Bill O'Reilly, over this. The policies would be just as fucked, but we wouldn't look like assholes in the process. Andz, I like Kid Rocks hats. Alot. |
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Move on please people, fake or not fake he didn't give Russians the nuclear launch codes of USA just a few intell about some ISIS related stuff. Don't make a mountain out of a pebble. Let Trump be, soon he will surrender the country to the north Korean leader after a BJ in the white house. The media is using each and every opportunity it gets to tarnish Trump. What they are failing to realize is the fact that their actions are having the exact opposite of the desired effect. The number of people who trust the mainstream media is getting smaller every day. I mean, is the media invalid? For all your critiques of Obama's 8 years, did we ever get to this level of sensationalism and scandal? Not since Nixon have we seen someone run so roughshod over the office of President. And the complicity by the GOP makes this substantially worse, it's being normalized and supported, to a degree. I know the Breitbart crowd hates politicians, to be honest, I'm not so fond of them myself. But do you see why we tend to elect politicians, instead of reality television stars, to do actual politics? Say what you want about Hillary and Obama, at least they were qualified. |
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A word to the wise as well; I don't tend to download these leaked files unless I can find a streaming service that has them. The reason? The file was obtained through subterfuge, I don't trust that the source file doesn't have some new and exotic virus thats going to take my bitcoin and encrypt my files. Hackers know people are greedy. What better way to mass propogate a new virus, than attaching it to a piece of leaked, popular media? |
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Who cares? It will be on the piratebay eventually whether they release it before its premiere or not. I also don't think there is a real hype for this movie at all. It is a light popcorn movie and people who wait for it will most likely see it in a cinema rather than downloading it from the pirate bay.
WD won't pay them, still a nice try though.
The amount of revenue they will lose, will be tremendous. They just spent an ungodly amount of money producing this movie, fueling JD's drug habit. That's a big drug habit, he hasn't been sober since 'Fear and Loathing'. The bottom line got severely fucked with this one. I agree, this is a snore fest, but kids and overseas.markets eat this shit up. Our domestic market may prefer to see it in theaters, but the international community cares not. |
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First OTNB, now this? The hacking is getting bold people, guys tend not to realize they usually catch hackers, although it does take a while. They don't give too many fucks about exchanges getting hacked, but hack a tax paying corporation, and this is bloody murder. Wondering if North Korea did this. Preliminary reports on the WannaCry exploit suggest NK might be the actor behindnit. This fits the MO, the did this with Sony concerning that movie about Kim Jong. Definitely not Russia for once, they got hit the hardest, I hear. Eventually, we will realize as a global society how important cyber security is. Until then, this |
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Have you thought why third world countries need in their country have found refuge thousands of criminals? No amount of money will justify itself. Besides, all criminals tend to organize gangs, and this is a threat to the state.
No. I don't think that these criminals pose a threat to the third world nations. They will remain in the prison during their jail term. Once their sentence is over, the criminals will be deported back to their own countries. The third world nations which house them will gain, in the form of increased employment and financial grants. Yezzir. Keeping said inmates here would simply eat up our tax dollars, as you can't deport them with a bill (we should though). I'm all for it, we spend a ridiculous amount of budget supporting the private prison system, let it actually help us, for once. Besides, Sessions just got tough on sentencing, and CCA just went ham building new illegal immigrant detention centers. I think they are preparing But yeah, this is all about security. |
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Na tvbcof has just a distorted view of reality. Everyone who doesnt share his worldview is a leftist sjw. Classical fashist much?The irony here is though that you are actually complaining about the left (and the right - like a sane person who follows US politics would do). I define 'fascist' in much the same way that Mussolini did...and he was kind of a master: “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
― Benito Mussolini
I think that people mistakenly use the term 'Fascism' when they really mean Totalitarianism (which, BTW, I am above all else against.) The reason why is that Fascism and most forms of Collectivism (esp, Communism) rapidly go that way and tend to start out that way from the get-go. Neither can exist without Totalitarianism. Capitalism tends to devolve into Cronyism which is something that also vexes the other major political systems...and just about anything else that humans do. You (Criptix) may be right that I assume SJW-ism more broadly than I should. I'll try to be mindful of it. I will say that I strongly sense that a lot of the SJW types are being sold a pig in a poke vis-a-vis 'Communism' which they've been conditioned for all of their lives (as have I as a 50 yo American public school victim as I look back on things.) Those sponsoring the SJW movement and the promises of Socialism/Communism are very cynically not at all Socialist or Communist' themselves and have no intention of going there. In fact they are not far from Mussolini's Fascism. The modern Chinese 'Communist' system most closely approximates what they are shooting for and it most closely maps to a form of neo-Feudalism. Capitalism for the few in leadership and totalitarian quasi-communism for everyone else. You'll find that is very few liberals that will champion all causes blindly. For example, I have a huge bias against transgendered folk, but I'm aware if it and I try to mitigate it when I discuss said population. I grew up in the South, in a Black family. We don't really play that shit, old school black folks, for the record. I don't really think that's a good thing. I really shouldn't give a good goddamned about someone's sexual preferences, the Lord has given them the free will to live their limited life as they see fit. Just because I do not agree with said life, it doesn't invalidate it. I'm one guy with opinions, that don't matter for shit in the grand scheme of things. It's truly meaningless folks. I feel them same about abortion, I don't agree with it. It's murder, plainly, and I dare anyone to challenge that, I will rip you a new asshole with words. But I do believe people should have the choice to fuck up. Women should have the choice, we should all have the ability to live our lives as we see fit. Given that said life is adaptive, I'm not condoning serial killers running around because 'it feels good, man'. The SJW 'movement' is more a rejection of the seeming 'fuck them' attitude of your party. The primary criticism from leftist of conservatism is that the minority is crushed under the will of the whole,. The secondary critique is that your party cares nothing for the citizen that cannot do for itself. For those of us with empathy for people other than our own social network, usually as a result of having faced a fucked up sitch personally, it pains us to see people, however fucked up and weird they are, being denied the right to do just that. You should be able to be as your are. Not do what you will, that's a different doctrine, a more sinister one that has no place in my life. But, dammit, you get one of these. At least be able to enjoy it. If you have a dick and want to cut it off, fuck it, I don't care. I start to care when fringe behaviors become normalized, but if it improves the public by preserving the outgroup, and if the outgroup is sizeable.enough, I will begrudgingly submit. Homosexuality for example. Currently in the process of being normalized. Is this good? In my opinion no, our biological function is to reproduce, and propagate. It's all about the DNA. That's a different discussion. But if normalizing homosexuality means gsy people not getting killed for being gay, not being discriminated against in housing, finances (the heart of the gay marriage debate, from a secular standpoint), then I'm all for it. No one should have to suffer for their beliefs, in this country. And when I have kids, I control what they ingest. If that's not an agenda I want in my house, that's that. What, you aren't with the prissy namby-pamby metrosexual progressita agenda overlorded by the pink mafia? Only on the weekends If we sat down and had a beer my man, I feel as though we would have alot more in common than you think |
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President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State. The information the president relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said. The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said Trump’s decision to do so endangers cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and the National Security Agency. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.d98b8a87db2fI just read this earlier today. This may be the most serious problem Trump has had so far. I'm not sure he knows that he can't say whatever he wants to just anyone. Nah. Don't fall for the fake news, wait a few hours or days to see the truth. I find it ironic the FUD being spread here, as all Bitcoiners hate the fact that FUD is constantly spread about BTC only being used for drugs and illegal stuff. News is always making shit up and spinning their stories with "anon sources". Anon sources are garbage, you might as well be straight up quoting 4chan. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/05/15/mcmaster_the_story_that_came_out_tonight_as_reported_is_false.htmlLT. GEN. H.R. McMASTER, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: I have a brief statement for the record. There is nothing that the president takes more seriously than the security of the American people. The story that came out tonight as reported is false. The president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries, including threats to civil aviation. At no time, at no time, where intelligent sources or methods discussed. And the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known. Two other senior officials who were present, including the Secretary of the State, remember the meeting the same way and have said so. Their on the record accounts should outweigh anonymous sources. I was in the room. It didn't happen. WaPo publishes maybe one of the most blatant fake news reports we may have ever seen. McMasters and Tillerson both say its completely fake news just a while after it starts to trend. The story gets maybe 2 or 3 hours of decent trend time before its put to bed. WaPo somehow becomes even faker news. Yawns. I concur, I'm not fond of Trump but this is odd. I'm curious how legit this leak is, there were only x people in the room, it would be gi to jail style dangerous to leak something as sensitive as this. Also, MCMasters is pretty chill, and supposedly he was there. Said it was cool, I don't really see him lying for Trump, ESP at the expense of his career. But who leaked this? I don't really see why someone would fabricate this, and this is clearly a bid to get him impeached by someone highly placed. This wasn't done lightly, the brevity of the situation speaks to this being true. And if it's true, dammit man, it's like he's trying to do this shit on purpose. I won't point out all the irony, it's literally too much. They don't get optics. Fucking period. I will give this a few days to shake out, then look at it again. Too early now, but my bones feel like this to, will be popcorn worthy. He's the United Airlines of presidents. |
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Na tvbcof has just a distorted view of reality. Everyone who doesnt share his worldview is a leftist sjw. Classical fashist much?The irony here is though that you are actually complaining about the left (and the right - like a sane person who follows US politics would do). I define 'fascist' in much the same way that Mussolini did...and he was kind of a master: “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
― Benito Mussolini
I think that people mistakenly use the term 'Fascism' when they really mean Totalitarianism (which, BTW, I am above all else against.) The reason why is that Fascism and most forms of Collectivism (esp, Communism) rapidly go that way and tend to start out that way from the get-go. Neither can exist without Totalitarianism. Capitalism tends to devolve into Cronyism which is something that also vexes the other major political systems...and just about anything else that humans do. You (Criptix) may be right that I assume SJW-ism more broadly than I should. I'll try to be mindful of it. I will say that I strongly sense that a lot of the SJW types are being sold a pig in a poke vis-a-vis 'Communism' which they've been conditioned for all of their lives (as have I as a 50 yo American public school victim as I look back on things.) Those sponsoring the SJW movement and the promises of Socialism/Communism are very cynically not at all Socialist or Communist' themselves and have no intention of going there. In fact they are not far from Mussolini's Fascism. The modern Chinese 'Communist' system most closely approximates what they are shooting for and it most closely maps to a form of neo-Feudalism. Capitalism for the few in leadership and totalitarian quasi-communism for everyone else. You'll find that is very few liberals that will champion all causes blindly. For example, I have a huge bias against transgendered folk, but I'm aware if it and I try to mitigate it when I discuss said population. I grew up in the South, in a Black family. We don't really play that shit, old school black folks, for the record. I don't really think that's a good thing. I really shouldn't give a good goddamned about someone's sexual preferences, the Lord has given them the free will to live their limited life as they see fit. Just because I do not agree with said life, it doesn't invalidate it. I'm one guy with opinions, that don't matter for shit in the grand scheme of things. It's truly meaningless folks. I feel them same about abortion, I don't agree with it. It's murder, plainly, and I dare anyone to challenge that, I will rip you a new asshole with words. But I do believe people should have the choice to fuck up. Women should have the choice, we should all have the ability to live our lives as we see fit. Given that said life is adaptive, I'm not condoning serial killers running around because 'it feels good, man'. The SJW 'movement' is more a rejection of the seeming 'fuck them' attitude of your party. The primary criticism from leftist of conservatism is that the minority is crushed under the will of the whole,. The secondary critique is that your party cares nothing for the citizen that cannot do for itself. For those of us with empathy for people other than our own social network, usually as a result of having faced a fucked up sitch personally, it pains us to see people, however fucked up and weird they are, being denied the right to do just that. You should be able to be as your are. Not do what you will, that's a different doctrine, a more sinister one that has no place in my life. But, dammit, you get one of these. At least be able to enjoy it. If you have a dick and want to cut it off, fuck it, I don't care. I start to care when fringe behaviors become normalized, but if it improves the public by preserving the outgroup, and if the outgroup is sizeable.enough, I will begrudgingly submit. Homosexuality for example. Currently in the process of being normalized. Is this good? In my opinion no, our biological function is to reproduce, and propagate. It's all about the DNA. That's a different discussion. But if normalizing homosexuality means gsy people not getting killed for being gay, not being discriminated against in housing, finances (the heart of the gay marriage debate, from a secular standpoint), then I'm all for it. No one should have to suffer for their beliefs, in this country. And when I have kids, I control what they ingest. If that's not an agenda I want in my house, that's that. |
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Reject my argument piecemeal. Dissect it. Destroy it. I want the clarification, not just the refutation:
Explain the mechanism by which illegals vote
Identify and describe the Democrat introduced legislature that enables this alleged behavior (here's a hint, try non citizen ID laws, it's a common rhetorical point on this from your side)
Describe a specific geographic region with characteristics that could facilitate illegal voting
Any of these weakens my argument, but does not invalidate it. Show me my error.
Google is your friend. Don't expect people to waste their times on things that are patently obvious. In the spirit of argument, not vitrol, can you provide just a singular source? My friend Google has told me that you are on that bullshit, and I believe him. Is is that you won't, or that you can't? And dammit man, join a goddamned Sig campaign, I want to see you profit. I enjoy your opinions, even though I disagree with them. It's a big enough world for both of us. |
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No they don't. At least where the majority in the local culture talks Spanish, and where the immigrant is Mexican.
There are plenty of such places in the United States. For example, 37% of the population in the Greater Los Angeles area use Spanish as a home language. This figure climbs to 40% in Miami, 72% in El Paso, and 43% in San Antonio. This is actually true. One of my friend who doesn't know Spanish stayed in El Paso for a week and he was like hunting for English stores. Learnt lots of Spanish words, we were wondering whether he went to Paso or Spain.. Again, not arguing there is a significant Spanish speaking population in places in the US. If there wasnt, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I'm simply saying that the illegal.immigrants aren't walking up to the voting boths, because of the risk of detection and subsequent expulsion. I'm here hiding, and I'm trying to sneak into a government office to falsely ID myself, to vote? That seems very unlikely to me. The article was stating that; Spend was saying that this isn't true in majority Spanish communities. I then asked for a community to be identified that would have a majority Spanish population, with the law enforcement being Spanish as well, as per BADs addition to the argument. Because I'm saying it's interaction with the government that gets you sent home; people trying to avoid going home have probably learned to largely avoid the government. But yes, to concede your point, it is thick with Mexican immigrants in some places, just Latin Americans in general. Parts of Florida are like that too, and even when I was a kid, when I went to Texas to go to AstroWorld (6 Flags? It's been so long) I saw a bunch of really pretty Latin girls; it was my first time seeing so many Latin people in one place. I'm from Louisiana, was used to the local phenotypes if diversity means pretty ladies, then dammit, put this fucker in a blender, my man. This is a typical argument propagated by various liberal media outlets. But research shows that a lot of the illegal immigrants do vote, especially in the deep blue states. And deportation is not a big deal. It is a joke. Check this: http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/11/lennox-lake-california-boy-hurt-dui-crash-illegal-immigrant-who-was-deported-15-timesGod protect the little girl. That's pretty tragic. But will a wall prevent someone that is this incentivized to come back? 15 times. And I don't think those 'bollard walls' would do to much to stop a chap like this. We would probably do well to simply jail them here. The assumption of non prosecution would largely dissappear, and the fear of a lengthy US prison sentence would dry this shit up but quickly. Would be expensive, but hey, we already jail minorities at a disproportionate rate; let's just switch up the demographic. I'd rather see violent offenders and repeat offenders in jail, than low level drug offenders. We are reembracing private prisons again despite the progress we had made moving away from this model; let's lock the real bad hombres up. Fuck deportation. But dammit, show me this voting evidence! We keep getting tangential. I'll even take a biased article, I just need the talking points so I can investigate myself. In the deepest blue States, does voting oversight not exist? Even at a federal level? How are illegal immigrants getting on voting rolls, when they aren't citizens? Save absentee ballot abuses, this is the only way to vote. How come, for all this sanctuary/deportation/crime rhetoric, no one can still explain to me how people with no identities vote in appreciable numbers, at the risk of incarceration? If what you are saying is true, ICE should just camp elections. They could get millions of immigrants, no? Hell yeah the argument is common. Common sense. It has a familiar taste because it's rooted in facts and reality, to the best of my ability. My argument has nostalgia because it's valid, you have indeed heard it before, from other sources that tried to present you with a factual truth. Like non partisan research tanks. And mainstream media outlets. But this reliance on biased news sources, to exclusion, is going to be y'alls undoing. Reject my argument piecemeal. Dissect it. Destroy it. I want the clarification, not just the refutation: Explain the mechanism by which illegals vote Identify and describe the Democrat introduced legislature that enables this alleged behavior (here's a hint, try non citizen ID laws, it's a common rhetorical point on this from your side) Describe a specific geographic region with characteristics that could facilitate illegal voting Any of these weakens my argument, but does not invalidate it. Show me my error. |
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No they don't. At least where the majority in the local culture talks Spanish, and where the immigrant is Mexican.
There are plenty of such places in the United States. For example, 37% of the population in the Greater Los Angeles area use Spanish as a home language. This figure climbs to 40% in Miami, 72% in El Paso, and 43% in San Antonio. This is actually true. One of my friend who doesn't know Spanish stayed in El Paso for a week and he was like hunting for English stores. Learnt lots of Spanish words, we were wondering whether he went to Paso or Spain.. Again, not arguing there is a significant Spanish speaking population in places in the US. If there wasnt, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I'm simply saying that the illegal.immigrants aren't walking up to the voting boths, because of the risk of detection and subsequent expulsion. I'm here hiding, and I'm trying to sneak into a government office to falsely ID myself, to vote? That seems very unlikely to me. The article was stating that; Spend was saying that this isn't true in majority Spanish communities. I then asked for a community to be identified that would have a majority Spanish population, with the law enforcement being Spanish as well, as per BADs addition to the argument. Because I'm saying it's interaction with the government that gets you sent home; people trying to avoid going home have probably learned to largely avoid the government. But yes, to concede your point, it is thick with Mexican immigrants in some places, just Latin Americans in general. Parts of Florida are like that too, and even when I was a kid, when I went to Texas to go to AstroWorld (6 Flags? It's been so long) I saw a bunch of really pretty Latin girls; it was my first time seeing so many Latin people in one place. I'm from Louisiana, was used to the local phenotypes if diversity means pretty ladies, then dammit, put this fucker in a blender, my man. Two words... "Sanctuary Cities." Side note - Realistically, El Paso and Juarez form one large interconnected community, the existence of a national border down the middle is largely irrelevant. The people are the same. That's just one town, one example. Alright, I will concede that point. I did some research on the actual policies of said sanctuary cities. I can concur that the diminished level of cooperation with federal authorities would technically constitute police assistance. But, take this with the grain of salt that this is law enforcement officers disagreeing with other, different law enforcement officers. The sanctuary policies aren't intended to harbor violent criminals, but I can see that the refusal to cooperate fully does cause 'gaps' so to speak, that allow violent immigrants to persist for longer than they should. However, I don't think the police allow crime to proliferate; I think they just aren't cooperative with federal law enforcement. Those monolithic Spanish communities you were talking about earlier? Cops rely on them to self report. The sanctuary city idea incentivized reporting of the actual bad hombres by the populace, to fill the gap in policing that I was trying to point out earlier. If they don't feel the need to cooperate with authorities, policing gets so much harder. And none of that has to do with the fact that non citizen voting is really, really hard. Sanctuary city concept encompasses criminal deportation rather than voting issues, it seems. The protections that prevent double voting, prevent illegal voting. Otherwise, fuck illegals, people would just do this domestically if it were so easy a non citizen could do it. People would pay people to double vote, to hell with lobbying. You could literally buy the vote per citizen, or make the people up/steal identities yourself to influence the vote. The reason you can't vote twice easily, is even more reason why an illegal can't. Do you see what I am trying to say? If you can do this so easily in sanctuary cities, why havent underground conservative forces used this apparently very replicable technique to remove illegal influence, and restore balance? |
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No they don't. At least where the majority in the local culture talks Spanish, and where the immigrant is Mexican.
There are plenty of such places in the United States. For example, 37% of the population in the Greater Los Angeles area use Spanish as a home language. This figure climbs to 40% in Miami, 72% in El Paso, and 43% in San Antonio. This is actually true. One of my friend who doesn't know Spanish stayed in El Paso for a week and he was like hunting for English stores. Learnt lots of Spanish words, we were wondering whether he went to Paso or Spain.. Again, not arguing there is a significant Spanish speaking population in places in the US. If there wasnt, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I'm simply saying that the illegal.immigrants aren't walking up to the voting boths, because of the risk of detection and subsequent expulsion. I'm here hiding, and I'm trying to sneak into a government office to falsely ID myself, to vote? That seems very unlikely to me. The article was stating that; Spend was saying that this isn't true in majority Spanish communities. I then asked for a community to be identified that would have a majority Spanish population, with the law enforcement being Spanish as well, as per BADs addition to the argument. Because I'm saying it's interaction with the government that gets you sent home; people trying to avoid going home have probably learned to largely avoid the government. But yes, to concede your point, it is thick with Mexican immigrants in some places, just Latin Americans in general. Parts of Florida are like that too, and even when I was a kid, when I went to Texas to go to AstroWorld (6 Flags? It's been so long) I saw a bunch of really pretty Latin girls; it was my first time seeing so many Latin people in one place. I'm from Louisiana, was used to the local phenotypes if diversity means pretty ladies, then dammit, put this fucker in a blender, my man. |
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