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1281  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do you feel about the death penalty? on: May 10, 2017, 01:50:06 PM
It's funny how you're worried about fertility rates while earth's population is 7.5 billion people. Maybe all innovations and "negative" changes are just a natural way to protect the Earth from overpopulation.

What bothers me is the fact that the educated and the intelligent are not having children, while the least educated and the retards are having dozens. For example, people with the highest IQ can be found in East Asia, and they have the lowest fertility rates. On the other hand, Sub Saharan Africans, who normally have an IQ of less than 70 are having the highest fertility rates.
It's awful. Then the crowd of illiterate hungry people who have more animal instincts than human. They do not know how to solve their problems and start wars. I think that's the reason Africa has so many wars. Not very far from them are the poor countries of the middle East.

Wars are usually started because of competition for limited or perceived limited resources. That's the reason Africa has so many wars,  a lack of government in an environment were competition for resources, even on a civil scale, can have deadly consequences. Poor is the operative word; if you notice, the most active people tend to be the ones at the extreme ends of the continuum (the criminality of the poor vs the criminality  of the extremely rich, very different, but both overrpresented vs the middle class).
1282  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will AI make humans extinct? on: May 10, 2017, 01:42:20 PM
I don't think AI will make humans extinct, because humans create the AI, you never see AI create Humans, so with this logic, Humans will never extinct because of AI Cheesy

By that logic apes or what other animals we descend from could never become extinct because of us. That doesn't make sense of course. And made worse by the fact that ai isn't a tool. Not a car or weapon designed to do some specific thing. By definition it is much more. Supposed to have reasoning of some kind and able to adapt to circumstances like we can. So I never understood this idea that because we create it ai can never be a threat to us.

I agree, but for a slightly different reason. We as organisms compete for limited resources, mainly food. As machines wouldn't require food, I don't see an incentive for AI to wipe us out. Plenty of energy sources that aren't contested. The sun for example. As for humans being relegated to non productivity, I can see that happening. Manual labor is easy to automate; we are getting better at automating finer tasks. When we aren't needed, we won't have jobs. That won't work, as capitalism requires consumerism. Eventually, we will all get a wage from the government, I think. Just for being a citizen.

The wheels of commerce will grind until they are smooth.
1283  Other / Politics & Society / Re: That Great Big Beautiful Wall on: May 10, 2017, 01:32:00 PM
....how do you force a sovereign nation to pay you money they don't want to? In fact, don't tell me, tell Greece and Venezuela's creditors Wink

Any tax levied against Mexico on consumer goods, ultimately hurts the American citizens that purchase said goods, because like any sane person, they will pass the difference along to us.
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The specific proposal IIRC was to tax remittances, money sent by Mexicans here back to their families. The major revenue source for Mexico.

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How do you get welfare benefits, or any social welfare, without a valid and unique SSN? Employers can collect taxes from them, and they can pay into social security because the government rarely questions when you give it money. E-verify isn't that sophisticated apparently (which is a while different issue). But even with perfectly good faked papers (a perfect copy of a legitimate persons identity), how do you claim benefits when you have to apply, in person, with a case worker? You would need to supply pay stubs, all types of shit, too much info for a non person to generate......
They do this all the time.

Bitcoin is my answer to the first objection, and for the second objection, again how? It is literally impossible, I have a relation that works at a social security office in a very rural area. While the bar is low, really low, to qualify for help, they need a valid license that they actually run for validity, a valid social, and you need a valid address I believe. If they are stealing an identity, the addresses won't match up. If they fake it, no known person. And SS has access to the DMV. There is some shit you can get just with proof of address, I must admit. But this is usually during emergency situations, like a natural disaster.

Are you sure of this, or is this just talking points? You may have valid examples I'm not privy to, I'm not discounting your experience.it's just, per my experience, they tend to check these things, it's a more one on one process these days.

As a citizen myself, the only way I could think to do this would be to steal a neighbors identity, that you know the circumstance of, and phish enough details through casual conversation to fake pay stubs, mortgage or rent documents, and birth certificates social security numbers. It's possible, but if thats the most feasible way to do this, you can't tell me that the practice is widespread.

It's too hard to compromise an identity to the extent that you could get social welfare from it. You need current, intimate details that would indicate extreme proximity. How would illegals get this proximity as newcomers?
1284  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump suddenly fired the Director of the FBI on: May 10, 2017, 01:25:28 PM
Trump suddenly fired the Director of the FBI. He led the investigation concerning relations with the Russian Trump. Maybe he gets too close to the answer? Nixon once did, but it did not save him from impeachment. What is your opinion?
The reason why Trump fired the FBI Director is not because he wanted to close the case against him pertaining to his relations to Russia. The basic and primary reason why he fired the FBI Director is due to the lack of trust and confidence. Without trust the President and his subordinates cannot work together and it will result to turmoil.

So, I get that Comey may be incompetent, I was confused when he made the statements about the emails; it seemed spiteful rather than informative. Buy why now? Comey 'had guts' when he went after Hillary initially, but now he's not fit for his post?

Don't you think it's odd that he has directly fired 3 government officials that have been in active investigations against him and his administration? 3, in the 1st hundred days.

I'm no friend of Comey. But this is beyond suspect, ethically, he should have allowed the investigation to finish before releasing Comey. He's sealed his fate regardless; besides ensuring that Republican town halls will be the most unchill places on earth, he just doomed the relelection chances of the majority of the GOP. AHCA, then this? And the AHCA is dead in the water in Senate; touching this in its current iteration is career suicide. It will dissolve into the same interparty arguing that split the Republicans vote last time.

This is starting to fall apart.
1285  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How would buying property play out with crypto? on: May 10, 2017, 04:48:07 AM

How would buying property play out with crypto? as in would you need a specialist crypto lawyer to complete the transaction? what if the person you buy property from is terrible on secuirty and 1 day later they get hacked can they come after you saying you sent them fake payment or some BS..

With a normal financial attorney, shouldn't be that complicated. The firm would receive and convert the bitcoin, and make the purchase on your behalf with fiat. Once the btc becomes fiat, this would look like any other home purchase on paper. Bitcoin is money; all the lawyer is doing is functioning as an exchange. And you will pay dearly for this service Wink

Be your own bank! Unless these funds are illegally gained, it would be much cheaper to just sell bitcoin and buy the house with cash.
1286  Other / Off-topic / Re: is worth to buy bitcoins? on: May 10, 2017, 04:39:26 AM
hi;

i have 3000$ and what do you think? im going to buy bitcoins and i will wait for years last;

is worth that decision good ?
Its a big amount but i think this is not worth it to buy now or to invest in bitcoin.  As you can see the price are so high and we don't know if that goes through the moon or going back again in 900$.
But its up to you if you want to take a risk go ahead invest it now in bitcoin.

While I agree we are peaking, and it's silly to buy in a peak; you could do worse. No reason yet for a major retraction, you can probably get at least another 5-10% on your initial before it would be smart to reposition,. It's coming down; too big of an advance without some major profit taking. But that doesn't mean you can't profit in the meanwhile Wink
1287  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What was the value of 1 Bitcoin when you first mined/purchased? on: May 10, 2017, 04:35:17 AM
Less than $1.

God damnit man you should have texted me to buy at least a few. Where's the common decency!?

I got my first whole bitcoin uhhh, I think around $500 or $600. I earned them pretty slowly so it's hard to say exactly when I had accumulated a full bitcoin. Some parts were a little cheaper but mostly around $450 on average I would guess.

You guys should have seen me when the price went to $15 and then rapidly dropped to $2 and stayed there for what seemed forever. I was so pissed off. I ran around yelling that I had this big chance to sell at $15 and blew it. Then when the price kept climbing again it whizzed past $15 so I just held on.

Now I'm so glad I didn't sell.

Wish I was that early. Got in at 90, but those coins are long spent. I even used BitInstant, was a PITA back in the day ,before it went away (would take too long to fund your wallet, would be less than expected, or the store would have no idea what you were talking about.
1288  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: What do u think of a tough keepkey/trezor/leger-nano-s ? on: May 10, 2017, 04:31:57 AM
Something like a toughbook instead of a notebook. So, in case an accident occurs, it isnt eaily broken. They have not made one yet it seems.

Or perhaps just buying 2-3 of those hardware wallets is better

The durability isn't really necessary in this particular scheme, given that you can use a recovery phrase to restore your account to any device. there is certainly value in an extra durable wallet, ESP given that these devices are somewhat fragile. With that being said, a barebone version of the same seems more efficient; making it moderately durable but easily replaceable would make people more apt to use wallet like physical tokens. As long as it has a screen and can be dropped from a decent height without shattering, it should be sufficient. Physical wallets should be a cold storage solutions, not used like a hot wallet.
1289  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin ATM on: May 10, 2017, 04:24:36 AM
I just tried a new Bitcoin atm that was installed about 5 min from my house.  I purchased .10 BTC as a test and when I got the receipt after the transaction it had the current price of BTC at 1,300 a coin and it was less then 1,100?  What gives?
Great news that you use it at the right time but be careful in bitcoin atm you know that many atms are cheaters also your gonna get high fees when using a bitcoin atm i already see a youtuber get scam by a bitcoin atm by not paying a miner fees so it will be safe and not recommemded using a bitcoin atm. Surely when you exchange you bitcoin to cash youre gonna get a high fees 💰💰 but great news you buy a bitcoin at low price you already invested nicely.
To be fair to Bitcoin ATM operators, they aren't exactly a hugely popular service and they do have to maintain their physical machines, so I would almost expect for higher fees to be quite common among Bitcoin ATMs and their various counterparts. Does that mean they should be used? Not really, since you shouldn't be spending extra money to not really do anything to benefit anyone.

Have to agree. Every time I've used an ATM, I've paid from 8 to 10 percent. This is money; taking a 10% haircut before I even get to the exchange, sounds like a losing strategy. To be fair, they are convenient; but convenience isn't worth that much of a premium.
1290  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Biggest media cover up success by Obama admin: Fukushima on: May 10, 2017, 01:45:28 AM
Quote from:  http://enenews.com/
Astronomical amounts of radiation” found in downtown Tokyo… Directly outside gov’t building — ‘Horrific’ readings where kids playing in Fukushima, ‘extreme’ levels found where food is grown for elementary school lunches — Nuclear expert shocked, upset by discovery (VIDEO)

Same organizations demonizing trump. What few fail to understand is that the level of deceit practiced by this admin is beyond criminal... What is sad for them is that reality will catch on them sooner or later. Then it will be too late to apologize;)

*face palm*

Why would Obama lie about a nuclear accident in a whole different country? In fact, what was the lie? Shit melted down and fucked up alot of stuff, I didn't think there was much to spin here.

Let me guess, Soros did it?
1291  Other / Politics & Society / Re: That Great Big Beautiful Wall on: May 10, 2017, 01:39:23 AM
I think that wall is just a warning for the ilegal inmigrant inside US, its just a expression to caused fear and sop the huge amount of ilegal mexicans into the border.

The flow of illegal Mexicans must be stopped. They are not paying the taxes, and they are exploiting the welfare system by claiming child benefits for their dozens of children. Cheap labor is good, as long as they are legal.

How do you get welfare benefits, or any social welfare, without a valid and unique SSN? Employers can collect taxes from them, and they can pay into social security because the government rarely questions when you give it money. E-verify isn't that sophisticated apparently (which is a while different issue). But even with perfectly good faked papers (a perfect copy of a legitimate persons identity), how do you claim benefits when you have to apply, in person, with a case worker? You would need to supply pay stubs, all types of shit, too much info for a non person to generate. If they can, they probably have enough resources not to want to go on record as being in the country, given that they are here illegally. Kinda like signing up for DirectTv as a fugitive.

And did you know that White America makes up the majority of social welfare recipients? It's kinda duh, given the overwhelming majority of America is white, but it's a talking point that may have gotten lost on Breitbart.  Because we all know colored people use all the food stamps, and do all the crime.

I finally get it! Does Make America Great Again actually mean " Please get these fuckin darkies out?"
1292  Other / Politics & Society / Re: That Great Big Beautiful Wall on: May 10, 2017, 01:31:30 AM
I can still imagine there might be some sort of wall or other wall-like border obstacle built on the US-Mexico border. What I can't imagine is Mexico paying for it like Trump wanted. No way in hell can Mexico afford such a project and not go bankrupt. Not to mention they have absolutely no interest in it.

Wait and see on that. You can bet that he will fill his promise that Mex will pay for it.

The fact that it seems totally illogical and impossible is part of why he'll be impelled to make it happen.

Save kidnapping the Mexican president and holding him at gunpoint, how do you force a sovereign nation to pay you money they don't want to? In fact, don't tell me, tell Greece and Venezuela's creditors Wink

Any tax levied against Mexico on consumer goods, ultimately hurts the American citizens that purchase said goods, because like any sane person, they will pass the difference along to us.

The fact that it's totally illogical and impossible make me fuckin nervous, to be honest. I can promise you Trump won't be there next term, any costly, unfinished wall is going to be a taxpayer issue, as we will be paying for the wall. You and me, Spend. If they build it, we will pay.

I'd rather donate to the forum Wink
1293  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Geocentrism - Is Earth at the centre of the Universe?? on: May 10, 2017, 01:25:06 AM
When I was a kid playing with my dolls, I recall thinking "perhaps we are just dolls for some other huge, more powerful beings"...

Is Earth at the centre of the Universe?  And, if so, what does that mean about our world...?


Why is this forum the test case for every last long disproven pre-Enlightenment science theory?

Why yes, the earth is indeed at the center of the universe. It is also flat, and being held up by a giant turtle.

1294  Other / Politics & Society / Well Dammit, He Fired Comey on: May 10, 2017, 01:20:35 AM
This is winning. Bigly.

So, if you have turned on a TV in the last few hours, you know that our dear President just fired the director of the FBI, a one James Comey.

 Apparently at the behest of Sessions, who is displeased at the way the whole Hillary thing was handled (they really wanted her to get locked up, her apparently being the Antichrist and all).

“Based on my evaluation, and for the reasons expressed by the Deputy Attorney general in the attached memorandum, I have concluded that a fresh start is needed at the leadership of the FBI,” Sessions wrote in his letter to the president.


Both sides of he aisle have gone apeshit, accordingly. Of course thus is largely being decried by the DNC, but even the GOP didn't like the optics in this one. We even have one if the Republicans sitting on the investigative committee saying he was 'troubled by the timing and reasoning' behind the firing.

First Yates, now Comey. The explanation for Trump's firing of Comey is pretty weak.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/comey-misstated-key-clinton-email-evidence-at-hearing-say-people-close-to-investigation/2017/05/09/074c1c7e-34bd-11e7-b373-418f6849a004_story.html

Officials said Comey was fired because senior Justice Department officials concluded that he had violated Justice Department principles and procedures last year by publicly discussing the investigation of Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server.

Funny, Comey was the shiznit about the very same thing earlier:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/332641-flashback-trump-praised-comey-in-october

In the Oct. 31 remarks, Trump, who had previously criticized Comey for not bringing charges against Clinton, said he had to give the FBI credit.  

 ''That was so bad what happened originally, and it took guts for Director Comey to make the move that he made in light of the kind of oppob]sition he had where they’re trying to protect her from criminal prosecution," Trump said at a Michigan campaign rally.


I would say some sarcastic, snarky shit, but this is grave.


1295  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do you feel about the death penalty? on: May 09, 2017, 10:08:21 PM
I support the existence of the death penalty. This is not the best option in the fight against crime, but it is a fair punishment for serious crimes. I think that if you have 100% proof of guilt then you need to apply the death penalty, and if the evidence is less it is better to apply a life sentence. If it was a mistake?

Exactly, what if there is indeed a mistake? Given how inefficient our judicial system is, and the known prejudices against poor populations and non white populations, is it OK to use such a final judgement? Also, how liable should the prosecuting party be if the suspect is later found innocent? Since we would have essentially murdered a free, non criminal citizen for no reason, should the prosecution be brought up on murder charges, with the possibility of death?

Also, given that it is pretty much impossible to obtain the proven drug combination historically used in executions, is it OK to use unknown, untested drugs as substitutes? Constitutionally, you can't punish people cruelly or unusually, if we don't actually know how cruel or unusual these drugs are, is it OK to use them?
1296  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How long till the end of the USDollar? on: May 08, 2017, 11:59:01 PM
Get a USDollar out of your pocket. The thing is only a little over 6 inches long even diagonally. No matter where you start, it isn't very long to the end of the USDollar.

 Grin

I see what you did there, and I approve  Grin Grin Grin
1297  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? on: May 08, 2017, 11:56:39 PM
Once again convinced that vaccinations are necessary. I can't understand who benefits from the campaign to discredit vaccination? It's not just talk, it is a well organized company which is distributed all over the world.

You didn't look closely at the article just above your post? "Knit Somali immigrant community" who probably don't have good hygiene, and certainly not benefits of vitamins and other good nutrition.

Get the nutrition and hygiene you need, and you won't need vaccines that threaten your life in other ways.

Cool

BAD, I'm disappointed in you, you're making assumptions Wink

Because they are Somali immigrants, they most likely don't have good hygiene and proper nutrition?

These immigrants were all located in Minnesota, a part of modern day America, and aren't all first generation. Let's examine a different article on the same topic I posted a little earlier:

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/measles-sweeps-an-immigrant-community-targeted-by-anti-vaccine-activists/

Somali children living in Minnesota once had vaccination rates as high as or higher than their peers, said Kris Ehresmann, director of the Minnesota Department of Health's division of infectious disease epidemiology, prevention, and control.

But in 2008, Somali-American parents started to notice that lots of their children were enrolled in the school system's special program for children on the autism spectrum. They were alarmed; many did not recall seeing cases of autism before coming to the United States.


This community seems pretty Americanized, they were even attending community health events where people were selling them on not getting vaccinated. Shit, I've never been to a community health event myself, but, that might just be my failing Wink Moving on:

A perception started to take hold in the community that something had changed. Non-Somalis who oppose the MMR vaccine fed the fear with frequent trips to speak to parents. The discredited British doctor Andrew Wakefield - who first proposed a link between vaccines and autism in a study later found to be fraudulent - has come to speak to this community at least twice, Ehresmann said.

The result: Only 41 percent of Somali children in Minnesota in the 24-to-35-month age range have received MMR vaccine, she said.

"What's very striking is that when you look at before and after that point in time, and you can see the impact that the anti-vaccine groups have had on the community," Ehresmann said.


I gotta figure out that text in box thing you do BAD, it looks so much more fetch than the bold I use.
But anyway, just food for thought, I'm not coming at you.
1298  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump is better than Obama? on: May 08, 2017, 11:42:19 PM
Yes Or No
And Why
I do not like anyone more than anyone , because everyone will have their strengths and weaknesses.

I could agree with that statement. But you should remember that Obama's strength was in playing golf, and not in administration. On the other hand, Trump's strength lies in his independent nature.

Well, it seems Trump is pretty fond of a little golf himself. Not so easy to track because his aides obscure the fact he frequently plays:
http://www.ajc.com/lifestyles/presidential-golf-tracker-obama-333-trump/UTQsQk7WKGDE2ANyDsMklM/

Still has a ways to go, but if he keeps it up, he might eclipse him in just one term Wink

And we won't even talk about the fact that, in his first 100 days, he spent more weekends staying at an actual golf course instead of the White House. And not Camp David or one of the free presidential retreats, but no, his own golf resort, at tax payers expense, which he then profits from because he never divested his assets. also, it's extraordinarily expensive to protect him in something as insecure as a golf resort, New York is struggling to pay for protection for the First Family at Trump Tower. We are hemorrhaging money here, people, yet we are talking about saving money through budget cuts to vital programs/offices.

So when he gets bored of doing bigly things, we all pay for him to go play golf. Which he literally, actually pockets, because he owns the golf course.

But you know, Obama playing golf an average of once every 8.8 days is certainly a cool talking point, no?

BTW, for Trump it's 1 in 5.9 days Wink
1299  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? on: May 08, 2017, 05:45:15 PM
Before the vaccination and modern medicine, we had a lifespan of 16 to 17 years.

I think world history would look a little different if it had been entirely forged by hormonal brats on the verge of carking it. Your figures might be a little off.

I LOLed my ass off Wink

Just read this article today, this is a perfect example of why getting vaccinated is kind of a 'duh' thing at this day and age.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/measles-sweeps-an-immigrant-community-targeted-by-anti-vaccine-activists/

Raises an interesting point. Does autism go down in communities where vaccination isn't as prevalent/is purposefully avoided? I suspect no, but this metric would go a long way in proving/disproving the link between autism and vaccinations.

The risk truly isn't worth it, people. It's a reason why these particular diseases were singled out, they cause great harm to the populace and are subject to rampant spread.  I think the majority of us would chose autism over possible death, ESP when that risk of autism is so miniscule.
1300  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Trump Wall on: May 08, 2017, 02:24:44 PM
As most of us know, Donald Trump has made many points about this wall we wants to build on the mexican border. Although he states the wall could cost between $8-$15 Billion, current research has suggested it could cost around $80 Billion. Thoughts?

On one side there is the actual price to build the wall, and on the other side there is the price the American taxpayers will have pay. This is a capitalist country, right? So you can't expect the builder not to make some profit. The laughable part is that some Trump supporters are expecting Mexico to pay the bill!

In the end, the overall benefits would be many times the cost of the wall. The reduction in crime rate alone could save the American tax payers some $100 billion or more. There will be less number of rapes, murders, robberies, and other violent crime. The government would be able to save tens of billions of USD every year, in the form of reduced welfare payments.

How are illegal immigrants able to get welfare? I get that they may apply for some general benefits, like emergency subsidy, but how, without a legal,  legitimate, and unique identity, can they apply for most government benefits?

And food for thought:

http://thehill.com/latino/324607-reports-find-that-immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-us-born-citizens

Among people aged 18-54, 1.53 percent of natives are incarcerated, as are 0.85 percent of undocumented immigrants and 0.47 percent of documented immigrants, according to the Cato study of comparative incarceration rates.

The Cato study found that there are about 2 million U.S-born citizens, 123,000 undocumented immigrants and 64,000 documented foreign citizens in U.S. jails.

If natural-born citizens were incarcerated at the same rate as undocumented immigrants, "about 893,000 fewer natives would be incarcerated," read the study. Similarly, if native citizens were incarcerated at the same rate as documented immigrants, 1.4 million fewer would be in prison.


Also see here:
http://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/immigration-public-safety/

Foreign-born individuals (“first-generation immigrants”) report lower rates of criminal offending than native-born citizens and they have less contact with the criminal justice system, as measured by arrest records. Indeed, two notable studies, highlighted in a report by the American Immigration Council, find:6)
Foreign-born individuals are less likely than native-born individuals to have engaged in violent or non-violent antisocial behaviors in their lifetimes, including harassment, assault, and acquiring multiple traffic violations, “despite being more likely to have lower levels of income, less education, and reside in urban areas.”7) The study’s authors add that these findings hold for immigrants from major world regions including Africa, Asia, Europe, and Latin America. Their analysis drew on survey data from a nationally representative sample of over 40,000 U.S. residents aged 18 years and older.
Foreign-born youth enrolled in U.S. middle and high schools in the mid-1990s had among the lowest delinquency rates when compared to their peers.Cool These researchers focused on non-violent delinquent acts such as stealing, damaging property, or selling drugs. Their study drew on repeated surveys of over 20,000 adolescents conducted between 1994 through 2002.

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