Personally, I encourage all hardware developers to be as awesome as BFL. OP's complaint basically boils down to "those guys are too good, and the community should prevent them from being successful."
I welcome BFL's announcement and can't wait to buy some of the new hardware.
Any monopoly earned through virtue and brilliant achievement is legitimate. If nobody can compete with BFL, then so be it.
The monopoly is good, the business practices are not. BFL could truly be evil and keep all of their technology for themselves and not sell it to the general public. Instead, they are "nice" and sell their technology to anyone who wishes to mine. They could easily, easily, take over the network and hold 99% of the remaining bitcoins in existence. Yet, they have decided to sell their equipment to everyone. I meant the things like broken promises about performance and shipping times. But yes, selling to the public instead of keeping it to themselves is only logical, since it ought to make more in the long run. |
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Well, because FPGAs are simply destroyed.
ASIC goes in here too. Should rename to FPGA/ASIC |
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Sounds reasonable to me, as long as you keep in mind that the Mt. Gox -> Dwolla step can take anywhere from a few hours to a few weeks, depending on whatever random problems they are having or not having at the time.
And they require scanned IDs and utiliy bills etc. |
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Total time logged in: 45 days, 13 hours and 35 minutes.
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Personally, I encourage all hardware developers to be as awesome as BFL. OP's complaint basically boils down to "those guys are too good, and the community should prevent them from being successful."
I welcome BFL's announcement and can't wait to buy some of the new hardware.
Any monopoly earned through virtue and brilliant achievement is legitimate. If nobody can compete with BFL, then so be it.
The monopoly is good, the business practices are not. |
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Well, I've had good luck with Citrix XenServer, and Intel has a hypervisor that I've been wanting to try. I've only needed to reboot the hosts that I run for upgrades, which really have been optional and not needed ("But we have to run the latest stuff for security! blah blah blah....") So I guess I'll find out how well I can pull it off. If all else fails, I'll have some hardware that someone would probably want to buy. Parts list: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=19183865Box wasn't intended to run ISE, but I might install it and compile a few designs just for fun. |
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@rjk : I tried chaining pci-extenders and surprisingly it worked, but with a reduced hashrate
I lost ~6% on the card I connected in a 1x -> 1x -> 16x configuration with cablesaurus' extenders.
I checked several times that I didn't make a mistake (only inserting or removing the 1x -> 1x cable). Did you see anything like it (it was with a Saphire 5850 extreme) ?
I don't recall any issues like that, but that was a while ago. Have you tried other cards and other boards? Wonder if it is related to a PCIe timing issue. |
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My absolute best guess is that if someone did pre-order they have allready done a chargeback(hopefully they paid with some form of chargeback capable method)
Pre-ordering didn't involve transfer of funds. Yeah it's a shame how people think that pre-ordering always requires payment up front. It's a byproduct of how BFL is treating the community. |
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I have old laptop with 4GB and 32 bit XP (It sees only 3.75GB) And I never saw a "swapping storm" as you called.
What's the point of your post? Install the ISE and implement one of the open source LX150 designs. For the people who actually like to read with understanding I have one more recommendation: have a dedicated ISE machine. The full implementation runs for LX150 take in the order of one to two days. It is worthwhile to not use your normal workstation for such lenghty jobs in case you'll discover you need to run some maintenance tasks that may require reboot or other systemwide changes. My next planned build is going to have 64GB of RAM to start with, to be upgraded in the future, and will have a virtualization platform of some kind so that I can avoid having multiple machines. The plan is to run the high-cpu and high-memory stuff in a VM with 40GB of RAM and several processor cores, and use the remainder for my daily desktop needs. |
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Try adding more RAM. The 12th might not be detected because of being out of memory.
I've got 8GB and the board doesn't support any more.  |
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Hello rjk,
Your rig is looking really nice!
Quick question on your setup. Which driver(s) are you using? Is the driver causing the 11 GPU limitation? I believe I read somewhere that the AMD drivers could only handle 8 GPUs but your rig has proven otherwise, kudos!
I don't think it's a driver limit because I don't have any drivers loaded. I am just listing the PCI devices, which as far as I know does not require a driver. That's why I'm pretty sure it's a BIOS limit. There will of course be a driver limit, likely still of 8 devices, which is why I was planning on using VT-d and PCIe passthough with some virtual machines, but I didn't get very far on that. |
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Wouldn't it be possible to say that LargeCoin's tech is just not near as advanced?
Yeah this. If they would have sold them when they made the announcement, they would be free and clear. Since they waited, they've probably blown the NRE and produced a bunch of outdated chips. |
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They (BFL) suddenly appeared with a website and a promise of extraordinary performance, including a finished design.
You don't know that they had a finished design. This is an assumption on your part. It's entirely possible that a student could approach the R&D engineers at a local university's EE department for help in laying out the PCB after he knows what plausible components to specify. He would only have to tell them it was for a school project. If I were investigating this I would begin by calling all the universities in the KC, MO area. I would ask them to look at the picture of "ninja lady" and if she was on their payroll. This same student could not however approach the department and ask them to design a board and specify components that would achieve a certain number of SHA-256 hashes per second. Additionally, this student wouldn't have the experience necessary to implement the SHA-256 algorithm and spend the months necessary to unroll and route and debug the implementation. Every manufacturer of FPGA devices, except BFL, followed the same formula: They announce exact specifications with pricing. And then they deliver in a reasonable timeframe. BFL is not following this formula. Use your imagination as to why. (PRE-)BUYER BEWARE. By "finished design" I meant "a design that the forum has had no input into" but I didn't expect you to catch that. They also had a design that never shipped, but that was mining at reduced speed due to poor design choices. |
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Link or it didn't happen.
I'm not your personal slave. |
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TL;DR, as always, NEVER INVEST MORE THAN YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE.
Why do I have to keep repeating that every so often.
Yes you shouldn't invest money you need for food. Full stop. Your habit of bumping old topics without adding much to the discussion is really annoying; please stop. Did you happen to notice the dates on the thread? |
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Posted in another thread. Timeline will be available as soon as we start taking preorders. And I must say that it will come out at least 3 months earlier
than what most people have estimated. Hope that helps.
Regards,
BF Labs Inc.
Which thread? A quote with no real attribution means nothing. They started trolling the Enterpoint thread.   |
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A "hot wallet" doesn't have to be one address, it can contain several.
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What kind of mail daemon doesn't retry after a 4xx error?  |
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How about clarifying the questions surrounding the BFL SC and providing a timeline instead of trolling other manufacturer's threads?
+1 beat me to it. |
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