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1981  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: January 05, 2014, 01:42:43 PM
 Cheesy
I still see the rising wedge on gox, so I wouldn't get excited yet. Or as the Swedish expression goes; "you shouldn't shout hey until you've crossed the stream" Wink

Or as we say in Amsterdam: "Don't sell the pelt before you shoot the bear"

A very relevant one haha.

 Cheesy
1982  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 05, 2014, 01:41:59 PM
I will buy a lambo when I can get one for < 5 btc.

edit: forget that, I'd actually like something that doesn't run on fossil fuels. Are there any green super cars?



McLaren P1 plug-in hybrid. http://cars.mclaren.com/p1.html

Sorry to be a killjoy but for the time being fuck the Lambos!  Smiley

Please everyone prepare a small amount of your stash (doesn't have to be anything more than one twentieth perhaps?) in a wallet that is as easy for you to use and as portable as possible.

Then buy small stuff! A hamburger, a Zynga APP, a sex toy... doesn't matter what just do it!

If you want the growth to continue then merchants have got to report sales or it won't work in the long term.

Boring I know, but for most the Lambos will come a bit later!  Wink
* macsga just bought this:


 Cheesy *thumbs up!*
1983  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: January 05, 2014, 01:41:15 PM
I still see the rising wedge on gox, so I wouldn't get excited yet. Or as the Swedish expression goes; "you shouldn't shout hey until you've crossed the stream" Wink

Besides, from a purely historical point of view it is highly unlikely we've seen a trend reversal and far more probable this is just a major bulltrap, as has happened in the majority of bubble pops previously. Not saying I'm bound to be correct (this is bitcoin we're talking about after all Grin) but wouldn't it make more sense to stick with historically established logic rather than jump to the highly optimistic assumption that "it's different this time"?

My speculative analysis - in two days you will be certain that the bulltrap is in fact a big bull market!  Smiley
1984  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 05, 2014, 01:35:42 PM
I will buy a lambo when I can get one for < 5 btc.

edit: forget that, I'd actually like something that doesn't run on fossil fuels. Are there any green super cars?



McLaren P1 plug-in hybrid. http://cars.mclaren.com/p1.html

Sorry to be a killjoy but for the time being fuck the Lambos!  Smiley

Please everyone prepare a small amount of your stash (doesn't have to be anything more than one twentieth perhaps?) in a wallet that is as easy for you to use and as portable as possible.

Then buy small stuff! A hamburger, a Zynga APP, a sex toy... doesn't matter what just do it!

If you want the growth to continue then merchants have got to report sales or it won't work in the long term.

Boring I know, but for most the Lambos will come a bit later!  Wink
1985  Economy / Speculation / Re: Start of a new rally? on: January 05, 2014, 01:28:55 PM
Panic buy has started.

Train is leaving the station.

Bitcoin gains +100 USD in 3 days.

People are screaming "to the moon!" (aka "+10,000 in Q1")

But where is the non-speculative part of this economy?

Needs to keep up quick, but I really don't think it's impossible to do!

Whenever the opportunity arises, spend a bit of your bitcoin people, if possible with merchants who will keep it in Bitcoin! Prepare a live wallet on your 'phone with a small amount of your stash in it for just this purpose. You will be supporting a fledgling market in ways so significant you cannot even imagine!  Smiley
1986  Economy / Speculation / Re: What a weekend! on: January 05, 2014, 01:17:00 PM
Yes very nice post indeed, my only question, why in you graph the upward trend starts at $1000 and not at ~$1250?

Sorry, excuse me but could you please be a bit more clear? All I see is uptrends on my graphs!  Wink

Sorry maybe it wasn't clear! Smiley
I expected the green line to change at around previous ATH / price of an ounce of gold.


My green line represents my view of a more or less a sensible angle for the beginning of 2014 and beyond*. I think you will see strong support along a line of this angle if people panic in 2014. But I also think that panic should die down as new confidence, based more firmly on the "real world" now and not just on speculation, is seeping into the market.

I cannot tell exactly where there will be sudden purchases of thousands of BTC hence spikes upward, but I am taking my short-term cue for the red line from the analyst I quote, but betting the odds are actually on right now that it will happen next week.

It is logical to suppose that at the previous ATH there could be another explosion. But I am getting the suspicion that despite everyone's love of round numbers and previous figures, it is difficult to call exactly when boosts will happen. This is compounded by the fact that exchanges are relatively inefficient at the moment, building up the steam of demand on one side, and we cannot tell in what bursts this steam will be released.

*Edit: Although of course an utter catastrophe could still in theory happen in which case obviously the green line would not be relevant, but on the other hand, and I think more intriguingly, the S-curve shape that people have been mentioning could come into play, meaning much steeper climb. Obviously this would require viral adoption and an explosion in the real Bitcoin economy, IMO.


1987  Economy / Speculation / Re: What a weekend! on: January 05, 2014, 01:01:18 PM
Yes very nice post indeed, my only question, why in you graph the upward trend starts at $1000 and not at ~$1250?

Sorry, excuse me but could you please be a bit more clear? All I see is uptrends on my graphs!  Wink
1988  Economy / Speculation / Re: What a weekend! on: January 05, 2014, 01:00:00 PM
China

Last and certainly not least (perhaps “most” in fact) when we move past the price of gold we also move past the top of the previous bubble, the “China bubble”, which was strongly linked to Chinese influence. For the Bitcoin community this is probably the most important early 2014 milestone. We are leading China now and don't forget it. If at some stage China goes out of the game then it makes sense to think there will be a certain effect on the market. But in an ideal world if this effect was truly to mirror the problem China dropping out would cause Bitcoin, then the charts should really show nothing stronger than a blip. Remember this: Bitcoin has vast territory to grow into outside of China. Vast territory and myriad business and financial dimensions that are so far almost utterly untapped.

While this is true, I don't think the West is leading the market right now. China is still leading with Huobi. While the rest of the world has prevented a worse crash and we probably inspired renewed confidence in China, it does look like Huobi/China has taken over the lead again. If something happens to Huobi the market will probably drop hard again, maybe not as hard as before but it will easily drop 30% when that happens. Eventually bitcoin will cut itself loose from China like it cut itself loose from MtGox dominance but we aren't there yet imo, it takes some more time. I'm not a doomsday preacher at all, but I don't think we should paint our glasses too rosy here. Wink

Besides that nice report from one of the most bullish posters on this forum. Smiley

Thanks! I do believe we may be close in viewpoint over China. In my post I am making the case that in real terms (technology, business growth, etc.) China dropping out would not be a problem for Bitcoin at such an early stage as each and every country in which Bitcoin can exist is still like a vast, unexplored playground. But psychologically yes - we are still fragile over China.

But if we keep talking realistically and try to keep human nature - fear, hope, etc. - in check (very difficult I know!) and instead trust in the nature of virality (which any Internet enthusiast has already seen for themselves through numerous real-world examples) and in our own common sense, we will get over China sooner or later like you say.
1989  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 05, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
The award for steadfastness at Bitcoin exchanges so far this year goes to STAMP!  Cheesy
1990  Economy / Speculation / Re: China: Worst case scenario. on: January 05, 2014, 12:34:32 PM

Chinese exchanges are FOLLOWING the leads of the Western exchanges. Their volume is quite low too compared to MtGox, BitStamp, BTC-E. So, I really don't think they are in any shape or form to have to ability to pump and dump. The rise in bitcoin price is an organic nature: market is anticipating the Wallstreet entry, the Christmas Syndrome (where bitcoiners tell their aunts, uncles, nephews/nieces/whatnots and they all to buy in), etc... China syndrome is over, they may have led the world to where bitcoin is now but their time is past, it's back to the US and the Europeans to lead.

Agree 100%

That said, the biggest problem facing the Bitcoin community outside China is psychological. As a Chinese contributor said the other day, if the Chinese get excited again and the price rises too quickly, the government might get twitchy. But as far as I can tell everyone is getting excited! This could mean further steps to dampen Bitcoin in China.

The key thing to remember and to explain to others is that at this stage the effect outside China is purely psychological, not realistic. But I am optimistic. I think we will soon break the previous ATH, strongly associated with China, and at this point it will become more and more clear that Bitcoin does not need China for plenty of growth in the foreseeable future.
1991  Economy / Speculation / Re: What a weekend! on: January 05, 2014, 11:13:24 AM
Enjoyable commentary - thanks!

Thank you very much!  Smiley
1992  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 05, 2014, 10:51:40 AM
This is the weekend crash. 

Awful isn't it? + $30... shameful!  Cheesy
1993  Economy / Speculation / What a weekend! on: January 05, 2014, 10:24:23 AM
What a weekend!

But it's “just” a weekend and all Hodlers out there need to prepare themselves for what is to come.

I think it is important to look at the two next key prices we are fast approaching:

$1,000

“$1,000 isn't cool...”

Please excuse my Justin Timberlake paraphrase but it does seem pertinent considering what a bullish weekend we have been seeing.

We have been there before and we have been well above there before also, for a significant period of time.

I don't think you would be able to find too many people on this forum – bulls and bears alike – who think that Bitcoin should be underneath $1,000 for much longer.

In fact, once we get above $1,000, we don't really ever want to go back underneath again.

Just remember this as you watch $1,000 go by while riding the train. It is a 2013 milestone – nothing to do with 2014 at all. Forget it.

+/- $1,240 (price of an ounce of gold)

At the end of 2013 we just scraped the price of an ounce of gold, a very significant event and not a coincidence. This price is hugely important.

Gold has been an integral part of human culture thousands of years. It is more established than fiat currency. It holds huge psychological sway. This cannot be underestimated.

The history of gold is incredible. Few cultures have not held gold as something precious. Some of the most recognisable artefacts of ancient history are made of gold (Tutankhamen’s mask). Empires have been invaded for the sake of gold (the Incas).

Technically speaking we can of course easily get past the price of an ounce of gold. But as we go past make no mistake, it is a hugely significant event in the eyes of the world and will cause many more waves of media coverage.

Once past the price of gold we also don't ever want to see that price again. It's going to drop away.

China

Last and certainly not least (perhaps “most” in fact) when we move past the price of gold we also move past the top of the previous bubble, the “China bubble”, which was strongly linked to Chinese influence. For the Bitcoin community this is probably the most important early 2014 milestone. We are leading China now and don't forget it. If at some stage China goes out of the game then it makes sense to think there will be a certain effect on the market. But in an ideal world if this effect was truly to mirror the problem China dropping out would cause Bitcoin, then the charts should really show nothing stronger than a blip. Remember this: Bitcoin has vast territory to grow into outside of China. Vast territory and myriad business and financial dimensions that are so far almost utterly untapped.

Speed

At regular intervals this weekend we have been picking up dizzying speed. There are also signs that volume is starting to turn.

A couple of days ago I posted two charts and made some comments:

Here is the thread but I will post the charts again below https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=397534.0





It looks very much like we are preparing to break sharply upwards (towards f on top chart and red line on bottom chart) as the technical analyst Hellork proposed with a tiny 1:100 chance of happening.

A note: for all the terminology “stochastic volume”, “fib”, “wedges” and “new moons”, as soon as I read Hellork's chart and analysis I felt confident taking on the pro's stance even at his odds of 1:100. Read the other thread for my reasons but I will summarise three of them with bullet points here:

- viral growth and media coverage
- bottlenecks at exchanges building up pressure
- increasing confidence as we move out of the earliest stages of early adoption

The long and short of it is this: traditional TA has been useful in the past and in some circumstances but right now it is often not working correctly due to the difficulty of factoring in the above bullet points and more. More than ever before it is possible for the average non-specialist to get ahead simply through their own efforts. Some time reading up, a cool head and common sense will get you as far as you need to go.

Next week is going to be interesting but one small word of warning. If we do explode upwards then it becomes more likely that at some point this may become unsustainable. In real terms this will be strongly linked to the effects of bottlenecks at the exchanges. In other words don't panic! Look for some kind of retracement to the green line* on the second chart above.

Hodling

I have proposed in previous posts that Hodling is having a profound effect on the market. I also said that as it becomes possible to spend Bitcoins it would be helpful to the economy to spend some (this is in fact still Hodling – Hodling Bitcoins in the Bitcoin economy and not cashing them out).

But for the next days and weeks a straightforward cold storage option may be required. No over-excitement about reaching $1,000 again, and absolutely no wavering when sailing past the price of gold.

*Although some may find it too steep and some may find it too slow, my projected green line would take Bitcoin to a ballpark figure of around $5,000 at the end of 2014, a figure considered conservative by quite a few people. If an S-curve becomes more apparent this green line could get steeper. If there is some bad news then it could get shallower. But 99% of us (minus a few trolls Cheesy) agree it is going significantly up this year. As it keeps going volatility on the log scale is likely to keep decreasing. Don't forget this!
1994  Economy / Speculation / Re: Thoughts on FBI dumping Silkroad BTC on: January 05, 2014, 02:22:33 AM
The FBI will not care what "Bit coins" are.  They will follow protocol.  They will find out what they are worth when then sell them at public auction.  That is what they do. 

Can you answer the currency question?
1995  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: January 05, 2014, 01:50:55 AM
The thing is I don't think the TA so far has accommodated virality, the effect of bottlenecks at the exchanges, etc.
I've been making posts to this effect for a few days now.
It's getting to the point where I would be really very surprised if this bubble plays out anything like last summer. It's more like a pimple on the bubble to come!
1996  Economy / Speculation / Re: Thoughts on FBI dumping Silkroad BTC on: January 05, 2014, 01:15:56 AM

These are different agencies that barely talk to each other.  The US government isn't as corrupt as most of you think.  They are required to auction seized assets by law.

This is not about corruption. This is about a potentially huge game-changing financial technology arriving much faster than anyone is anticipating.

Do you honestly think they will just auction them like any old junk confiscated from criminals?

Until they feel like they understand Bitcoin properly (which could take a while) those coins will not go anywhere.

1. US agencies generally don't conspire with each other in grand plots.  They might ask for help on a single given issue (one arrest), but they don't scheme to invent new rules.  "Hey, Senator, this is so-and-so from the FBI.  I have these coins here and we don't want to auction them.  I want you to hold a hearing with Treasury, DHS and SS and, oh yeah, make sure the SS guy is against it to make it look good.  And let's have some guy tie it to child porn for an hour just in case we need to kill it later."  <-  That didn't happen.

Yes.  I am 100% certain that they will follow the law and auction them once the trial is over.

Until the trial is over and DPR is found guilty, these coins will not go anywhere.  As soon as he is found guilty, they will be split up into lots and auctioned publicly.  I can assure you that this will happen.

But what are Bitcoins? What is the value of a Bitcoin? Is Bitcoin a currency? Tell me, do the FBI auction currency when they confiscate it? What do they do with US dollars?

What if the government decides to classify Bitcoin as a currency? What if the US government classifies Bitcoin as an asset but the Swiss government a currency? I really don't think that the solution to the FBI's coins is going to be as straightforward as you think.
1997  Economy / Speculation / Re: Thoughts on FBI dumping Silkroad BTC on: January 05, 2014, 01:02:30 AM

These are different agencies that barely talk to each other.  The US government isn't as corrupt as most of you think.  They are required to auction seized assets by law.

This is not about corruption. This is about a potentially huge game-changing financial technology arriving much faster than anyone is anticipating.

Do you honestly think they will just auction them like any old junk confiscated from criminals?

Until they feel like they understand Bitcoin properly (which could take a while) those coins will not go anywhere.
1998  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 05, 2014, 12:31:01 AM
We have a situation now with one or more powerful buyers repeatedly hammering the MtGox asks. People see the solidly rising trend and panic buys from time to time, but we hardly correct, it is sideways for a few hours then upwards again like a marathon runner.

tl;dr extremely bullish situation. New ATH in 24h?


Give it a few more days but next week looking a distinct possibility.
1999  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 05, 2014, 12:12:07 AM

fuck, the key part of that work is four letters. not something i would were to pick up my 6 year old kid from school here in the usa. it is not illegal but unpolite.

A picture of a jet-powered train on your T-shirt should go down well with his friends!  Smiley
2000  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 04, 2014, 11:25:13 PM
Does anyone do "choo choo motherfuckers" t-shirts?

Ha. Would love one but maybe mf is better. Cant really have that in public.

Why not? With mf I would never wear it. Lame.

But I know Americans are a bit sensitive wrt swearings. Doesn't the word shit get bleeped? Cheesy

motherfuckers was not a 4-letter-word last time I counted.


Mofo is.   Smiley

I second "Mofo" for the T-shirt!
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