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1481  Economy / Speculation / Re: Latest Developments Thread on: January 18, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/01/17/uk-bows-to-pressure-likely-to-reverse-course-on-taxation-of-bitcoin-will-the-us-be-next/

“… Indications are the HMRC would also make Bitcoin subject to the capital gains tax (CGT) but allow an exemption for those who hold onto them for more than a year (the equivalent of an extremely, extremely favorable long term capital gains rate). Other taxes would likely not apply.”

Love it, just love it!!!

The UK is going to reward HODLERS handsomely!!!  Ha ha ha!   Cheesy
1482  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 18, 2014, 12:13:36 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/01/17/uk-bows-to-pressure-likely-to-reverse-course-on-taxation-of-bitcoin-will-the-us-be-next/

“… Indications are the HMRC would also make Bitcoin subject to the capital gains tax (CGT) but allow an exemption for those who hold onto them for more than a year (the equivalent of an extremely, extremely favorable long term capital gains rate). Other taxes would likely not apply.”

Love it, just love it!!!

The UK is going to reward HODLERS handsomely!!!  Ha ha ha!   Cheesy
1483  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 18, 2014, 12:03:44 PM
Did someone create a troll bot because the number of newbs all claiming low-hundred prices is staggering!  Cheesy
1484  Economy / Speculation / Re: January 31st Impact on Bitcoin on: January 18, 2014, 12:02:01 PM
The opposite will happen, sadly for you and your ridiculous attempt to cause panic, OP.

At the end of this month there will be more excited press around the New York hearing.
1485  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 18, 2014, 11:12:48 AM

Just one small piece of bad news around the 31st and we plunge. I know your chart shows a drop well before that but up until the 31st we are all on shaky ground, we have no chance of 'going to the moon' before that. After the 31st however is a completely different story.

Not that I enjoy quoting myself (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=397534.20) but to make the point:

"Think about it. With less than two weeks until 31 January, don't you think that any sensible Chinese person wishing to throw in the towel and cash in would have already at least sold their Bitcoins? I mean, how long does it take to withdraw money from the exchanges over there? If it is anything like over “here” then usually 5-10 working days in the best cases. And with the apparent rush to withdraw, wouldn't a few prudent Chinese whales have dumped already to get to the front of the queue?"

The 31 January is a smokescreen. People will wake up to that over the next few days.
1486  Economy / Speculation / Re: Worst Case Scenario - Price Predictions? on: January 18, 2014, 11:07:54 AM
Depends on the scenario. If the USA, EU and China ban bitcoin <30$.

Yeah right - if Bitcoin gets banned in the whole world then I reckon around $25 per coin is the right value.  Roll Eyes
1487  Economy / Speculation / Re: the Hodl and why. on: January 18, 2014, 10:58:34 AM
The OP is self-justification and an insight in the uncertanty of TS.

True: If you can't trade HODL. It is a good strategy I do it too and most people should.

If you think you can make "more" money hodling then you're still thinking in terms of fiat.
If you think in terms of being able to buy more with crypto you are truely free of thinking fiat.

Cars will still devaluate if you buy them with bitcoin. The only thing that will change is how much you can buy with an amount of fiat/coin.


I agree wholeheartedly that weaning yourself off thinking always in fiat would be great - but for many people coming into the game and for most in the game (me included) it starts with thinking in fiat terms! So addressing the issues in this way is going to strike a chord with most!  Smiley
1488  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 18, 2014, 10:54:36 AM



edit2: you´re also usin the same info  in your green shot analysis thread

Yeah but last time I did that analysis we moved up almost straight away!

yeah i agree, that´s the whole purpose of this bot action, to trick people into buying or at least give a secure feelin. Last time there was enough motivation around to make it happen.
Let´s see how it works this time. I have no i idea, but i´m kinda distracted by this kind of obvious market manipulation.
Would you personally recommend to anyone of your friends to buy into BTC right now?
Yes. Why? If Bitcoin will not be stopped or destroyed somehow, it won't matter if you bought at 600 or 800. I would say them it is the best gamble bet ever - you win nothing or in few years you will maybe become milionare. And now...you wrote it will be on stamp 400-500...you have balls to back it with 1 BTC bet (i already asked and you ignore it)or are you just another troll waiting to get on ignore lists?


If bitcoin will be on stamp in range 400-500 USD for 1 BITCOIN on monday, i will give you 3 BTC. If not, you will give me 1 BTC. Do you accept? 3:1 ratio..we can use escrow right away

Forget it man. It's a troll account - check his posts.
1489  Economy / Speculation / Re: the Hodl and why. on: January 18, 2014, 10:52:39 AM
Thank you for this sensible message!

A word to new people thinking of trying their hand at trading: with hindsight everything looks easy.

I have lost track of how many short-term predictions from experts and traders have been wrong - I would say certainly the majority I have seen here. Many people have lost a lot of money trying to double their money quickly, rather than simply investing in the fundamentals and waiting for extraordinarily good profits a year or two down the line.

Unless you have money to burn or a sixth sense, do not day-trade with Bitcoin. Investing for the long-term has proven to be far more profitable for most.
1490  Economy / Speculation / Re: Worst Case Scenario - Price Predictions? on: January 18, 2014, 10:07:42 AM
No crash is coming. You're thinking in pre-2014 terms. Market sentiment is transformed now. Any selling in the future will happen slowly and deliberately as you can see from the past few weeks, and using previous crash data to calculate lows will fail.  Smiley
1491  Economy / Speculation / Re: Early 2014... on: January 18, 2014, 10:01:52 AM


Picking up from last week...

Looking at today's prices, we can see that after another week (week 2) of data we have been following the green trend line proposed in the OP closely, with the tendency to sideways movement playing out as predicted. The second yellow cross marks where we are today.

When I resumed our progress last week I made the point of saying that we might break back up into a rally and then fall back again to around the green trend, which we did.

Last week's post also made the following point:

“As we come towards the end of the month, the curve will begin becoming steeper again and this time we will break $1,000 definitively. This will happen just before or at the time of the New York Department of Financial Services Bitcoin hearing on 28 and 29 January.”

Hovering under $1,000

When I made the first post in this series on 3 January, I was asked about the shape of the proposed trend.

The current sideways movement reflects two things:

1. The psychological wall of $1,000.

2. The wait for the Chinese New Year.

$1,000

Although we are now seeing the first indisputable evidence of Bitcoin's move into the mainstream and of the beginning of mass-adoption, the barrier of $1,000 holds a certain power.

The Chinese New Year 31 January doomsday scenario

For several weeks now the forum has been awash with claims that come 31 January, we will see a mega-crash due to various factors including the Chinese dumping their Bitcoins and withdrawing their money from exchanges en masse.

A lot of people have been building up reserves of fiat to cash in on the panic sell they imagine will happen.

But think about it. With less than two weeks until 31 January, don't you think that any sensible Chinese person wishing to throw in the towel and cash in would have already at least sold their Bitcoins? I mean, how long does it take to withdraw money from the exchanges over there? If it is anything like over “here” then usually 5-10 working days in the best cases. And with the apparent rush to withdraw, wouldn't a few prudent Chinese whales have dumped already to get to the front of the queue?

The Chinese scenario is just a smokescreen. Chinese Bitcoiners are enthusiastic. They are also not doing anything illegal. The market for Bitcoin is going to continue in China and despite the FUD you read here, of all the official statements coming from the government in China none have claimed otherwise.

As it becomes clear over the following days that there is going to be no such mega-crash, those waiting for cheap coins will start to get nervous.

End of January

The pressure from China is keeping the price suppressed, and yet the behaviour of the market post China-bubble is incredible, with Bitcoins commanding a supported high premium. The change in market sentiment is palpable; we all know that over the days and weeks and months to come Bitcoin will keep exploding into the mainstream. Within the next few days we are going to see more large businesses adopt Bitcoin, decisions from the world's governments, and conferences taking place including the New York hearing. And importantly, as the Chinese smoke clears the market will lift again.

Holders

Over the past weeks we have not seen any panic selling. Whatever bad news has come out has only resulted in small-scale, measured sell-offs. Hodlers are controlling the market now. They know that waiting for the weeks to pass as 2014 unfolds is going to be very well worth it. It makes sense to sit back and relax now – no need for the stress of trying to trade unreliable intra-day trends.

In short, time has proven that investing in Bitcoin for the long-term rather than trying to ride the waves up and down is by far the most profitable strategy. But today, at this very moment at the outset of 2014, a potential investor has not only the security of past data on which to base their decision to buy and hold, but also diverse evidence of vast growth to come in 2014, adding a hugely significant extra layer of security.

This has caused the biggest change in market sentiment since the beginning of Bitcoin. This is what is being reflected today in the charts, and what I showed with my trend line two weeks ago.

EDIT: Just to point out the dangers of listening to TA experts on here, so far my chart has soundly beaten the predictions of at least 3 independent experts using all kinds of intricate methods.
1492  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 18, 2014, 09:24:56 AM

edit: 400-500$ by Monday btw (Stamp)

edit2: you´re also usin the same info  in your green shot analysis thread

Yeah but last time I did that analysis we moved up almost straight away!
1493  Economy / Speculation / Re: Green shoot analysis - volume increasing on: January 18, 2014, 09:23:19 AM
I keep hearing "Green Shoots" and "microcosmic" trends.  If you want to talk about TA you may want to have a look at babypips, they have a great school for analysis http://www.babypips.com/school.  I'd recommend you have a look. 

Also I'd recommend zooming out on your charts.  1 minute charts are too narrow.  Zoom out, 15m minimum, 1 hour, 4 hour and daily.

Also, volume has decreased fairly significantly over the past couple of weeks.

And the "green shoots" are called "candlesticks".

It is something to look at only in periods of stagnant sideways movement.

It's the volume bars I'm looking at not the candlesticks.

Thanks for the link!
1494  Economy / Speculation / Re: Green shoot analysis - volume increasing on: January 18, 2014, 08:50:29 AM
More green shoots!

As Gox goes sideways, zoom in on the minute scale.



What do you see at the volume level? A nice majority of green shoots!

Why don't they make the price move upwards? Because of the ask wall on Gox.

But what they do suggest is that buying pressure is greater than selling pressure on a microcosmic scale.

Last time I called out this indicator we moved into a significant uptrend around an hour later.
1495  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 18, 2014, 08:40:06 AM
O Market Pundits: is the volume low because the price is stable, or is the price stable because the volume is low?

This. I´m expectin to see serious dumps over the weekends as upwards manipulation hardly works anymore. So i guess we´re seein a harsh downards correction. Just my 5 Satoshi  Wink


Edit: Gox buybot is in full maniac mode. Buyin 15-19 BTC of his own asksevery 4-5 minutes. I assume the real Gox Volume without bots and Mark´s orders would be about 50-100 BTC per day.
Great to have a market leader like this....

Could I ask, did you create your account solely to come and spread FUD or do you have an ulterior motive that has not yet become apparent?  Cheesy
1496  Economy / Speculation / Re: Memespeculation on: January 17, 2014, 11:03:28 PM
1497  Economy / Speculation / Re: ARGHHHHH!!!! Bitcoin going through floor on: January 17, 2014, 11:02:29 PM
MatTheCat you remind me of this guy

1498  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2014, 10:30:25 PM

There's no capitulation this time, China uncertainty is suppressing price but we're 2-3 weeks away of putting that stuff behind.

Earlier. If the Chinese were en masse going to take money out of their exchanges they would have already started doing it. You wouldn't put your withdrawal order in on 30 January would you?
I think a lot of people have money on the sidelines specifically for this situation. As it becomes clear that nothing is happening and without any other doomsday-scenario to point to, many will become concerned (and I think rightly so) that the price is going to float higher.
1499  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2014, 10:21:03 PM
This "capitulation" has got absolutely no conviction.
We are nowhere near capitulation.

Give us a rough time then
This perspective is not largely based on time. No estimate within reasonable accuracy.

Accurate answer is - there is no capitulation. Flash crash due to some Chinese shit is definitely possible but capitulation with news we have on daily basis - no way.

To be fair MAbtc did add this possibility as an EDIT.
Over the past few weeks this has become very clear: this "bubble" tail-end will play out proportionally higher than previous tail ends. Market sentiment is obviously underpinned now by the idea of the move into mainstream acceptance. This is being reflected in the charts and price movements: the smaller, less-hurried selling periods in comparison with quicker, slightly steeper buying periods. Hodlers are running the show now: after all, what's so difficult about waiting at least few weeks or months when it looks like there is so much in store for 2014.
1500  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2014, 09:45:11 PM
Feels good to sit 100% fiat until the sleeping dragon awakes. I'm guessing selling should resume in about 3 hours.

What if they buy?

+1 I really don't think people have been thinking enough about the pressure on the Chinese to BUY. Imagine if suddenly you realised you might have more difficulty in getting money to your exchange in the near future, and that this might only become more and more difficult? What would you do?

Whatever your masters tell you to do! Wink

They are telling you that Bitcoin is not currency and should not be used to buy goods!

Well... they obviously know best!

Yeah, but while they are telling you this you are thinking that it's as if you were both speaking a totally different language!
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