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2021  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamble Responsibly on: December 03, 2023, 02:21:33 PM
~snip~
Exactly, your goal will determine what results you will get and along with the impact you will experience and feel, if in your mind you feel that your goal does not make sense then don't do it, do some more consideration and see from various sides about gambling before you decide and regret it, use your common sense to think and use your eyes to see realistically. There is no better and safer destination than you come just looking for something that doesn't really matter, or the intention is not to earn but just to find fun, it's the best choice that is more recommended for your security and safety.

The right mindset will result in the right goal, because you consider everything with common sense and realistically, some other factors of course the best will be easy for you to do if you come with no exaggeration and just looking for fun, because then there is no hope that you put in to earn but only come to look for sensations to make you happy.
Actually, that is what we should think about, but unfortunately, most gamblers will not think any longer because they see that the goal is still realistic and try to achieve it while they still have the money. They will not see gambling as entertainment but rather as a place to make money, so they will keep gambling until they can make money. But even though they are already making money, they will still want to make more money. These goals will change according to the conditions they find themselves in so that gambling is no longer a place to have fun using money but a place to make money.

The right mindset will give us clarity about the goals we want to get from gambling. And we won't want to use more money just because we expect to win more. We know it is a temptation that we must overcome before it makes us completely forget to stop gambling. That is why we must always be responsible when we gamble so as not to be tempted by anything in the casino.

Yes, that's right, most of them when they still have a balance so they don't think long, of course they will try to get what they want, if like this, don't they follow their greed or ego? Also I think they must have occasionally won a sufficient amount, but because of their curiosity maybe that makes them continue to gamble to get an unreasonable amount of winnings hahaha.
And indeed, if gambling is better not to expect more, in other words that by gambling we can get a lot of money easily. After all the more we spend a lot of money, the deeper we go and will be trapped inside with the difficulty of getting out. also the point of error is not in gambling but in ourselves who misinterpret gambling, if we can interpret gambling correctly and well maybe there won't be a lot of money spent on gambling. Prevention is better than cure, right? So we should not expect more from gambling.
2022  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What I learnt from a crackhead about gambling on: December 03, 2023, 02:01:08 PM
I don't think it's a generalized subject about gambling as more harmful than drug addiction, some feel it the other way around others feel that drug is more harmful and dangerous because they destroy the mind and the body, in fact so many dies of drug overdose because the body cannot keep up, and some drug addicts commit crimes because their minds are clouded by the drugs they take.
Both addiction are bad for health and finances we cannot make one better than the other, some can survive the drugs, and some can survive gambling if we have a friend who are in any of the two we need to do everything to help them and not make a comparison.
In my opinion, these two things can both ruin a person's life from the start before they introduce these two things, some people who are addicted to gambling can commit crimes when they don't have the funds to do the gambling they want and those who are addicted to drugs of course so too.
Helping those who have experienced addiction to this is not an easy thing to do if they themselves do not have the desire to leave what they are doing.

Yes I also agree with what you said, these two things can ruin someone's life because each of these two things has an equally dangerous impact that can also harm them. There is nothing better than these two things, both of them will harm them in many ways, drugs can harm their health which will damage their mentality, mindset and others also they will experience depression which might make them die because of drug addiction.

Not much different from drug addiction, gambling addiction is also the same, it will harm many things, time, money, relationships, mindset, and maybe also with their health. So it is better to keep than to cure, because if you are addicted to these two things or one of them, it will be difficult to cure it.
When it comes to addiction then there's no such thing about being good or much better because both things could really be destructive in someones life and this is why it would really be that always wise that you should really know on when to stop and control out yourself on the time that you are experiencing such thing but we know that gambling addiction is really that much more destructive onto someone who had been affected to it
not because it doesnt only destroy you financially but also it could destroy your body on which this is something that you should really be avoiding in the first place. Better not to make yourself getting involved specially with drugs because once this thing do kicks in then it would really be that too hard to get out since your body would really be basically searching for it.

Im not saying that gambling addiction is much better but we know that this is something that it is bad too and its always been best that you should really be doing things in moderation if you dont
like for yourself to get that in huge problems in life specially on finances. So its up into your own decision since its your life though but with common sense
then you could be able to determine on whats good or bad.

I also think that addiction to these two things will destroy them financially, because these two things are also related to their finances. In my opinion these two things are not much different in terms of their impact, harming yourself yes, in terms of health yes, financially obviously, harming others can be. There is not much difference between these two things, it is unfortunate that if they are addicted to these two things it feels better that they do not have a sane or crazy mind. Gambling addiction will harm them in many ways, and I think everyone who already knows about gambling also knows the harmful effects of gambling addiction.

Also drug addiction, just like addiction is also all bound to be clear about the harmful effects that will befall someone if they are already addicted to these two things. I can't imagine if any of my family members are directly addicted to these two things, even if they have a lot of money I don't think it's necessary to become addicted to these two things if they want pleasure because there are also many other ways or things that can come to themselves, not by being addicted to gambling or drugs.
2023  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: December 03, 2023, 01:41:38 PM
first of all just an opinion but Blakcjak I think is the most predicted game especially live Blackjack but gambling is gambling  Cry

sorry for you lost the best thing you could do now is repay the debt and stay away from the gambling site till the debt is finished

Yesterday I also lost completely so was a total bust in a game crash

I always tell to a friend, not to be greedy but here I am after winning big I greed made it all in and the money now is gone

Isn't it too difficult that he has to pay the loan which he never used for himself, did not buy anything from it but only wasted it in gambling? He has to pay back and it is an extra burden on him.
Also, he can't gamble for all this time because he has no money and all the money which he would be saving would be spent to gather money for the loan payment. How awkward is this situation, only he knows about it.

Do people mistakes in life but some mistakes are such that it is difficult to recover from them.
Unless he does not have any proper source of income, where he can get reasonable money, he can't get out of it.

It seems difficult if it's like that, borrowing money but not getting anything and then we have to pay it back feels wearing. Besides, it's better to gamble with your own budget, not by borrowing. And I think if borrowing is better used for other things that are more positive, such as starting a business that of course has the opportunity to become profitable, to fulfill daily needs is still okay but if for gambling it is not recommended. And also if there is someone who is addicted to gambling and also has debts because of gambling, I think when they have money that is not enough to pay off their debts, maybe they will return to gambling. The reason is to multiply the money so that they can pay off the debt, but in the end they end up losing.
All people have responsibilities as well as desires, and they have to work to get what they want. By working they will have a steady and decent income. But if they are stubborn with a bad mindset it is also difficult.
2024  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 03, 2023, 11:00:53 AM
There is also a point, rich people tend to have more capital to gamble so they don't hesitate to bet without thinking about the defeat that will be obtained, because they have a lot of capital so they are more free to bet on gambling, the defeat they get may not be a big problem for them because they are confident in the capital they have that much.
And for the poor they tend to gamble to multiply money hoping to get a win in order to help their daily basic needs, but they tend to be more careful, do not want to lose the money they bet on gambling because the anxiety with the money allows them to borrow money to gamble again because they are still "curious". and this is his fault, they can make their own lives because of their stupid actions.
The only difference between a poor man gambling and a rich person gambling is totally difference from each other, their is something I want you to understand concerning gambling, because it's clear that the rich play gambles with confident why the poor play gamble without confidence, I believe that you have understand that the rich take more of risky than the poor and they gamble to catch fun why the poor gamble to get rich and be comfortable at home, you don't need to gamble and have in mind that in one way to other you depends in gambling to the end.

For poor people who gamble, in my opinion, they should not force themselves to gamble, because it clearly will not help their poor or mediocre situation, because gambling tends to only result in defeat even though there is a chance to win but I think it's best not to get excited because gambling also has a strong attraction for people who play it regardless of who is playing.
Also if they depend on gambling in my opinion it will only make it difficult for them in the future, gambling cannot solve all their economic problems even this will make it more difficult for them because they may be addicted to gambling.

There is also a point, rich people tend to have more capital to gamble so they don't hesitate to bet without thinking about the defeat that will be obtained, because they have a lot of capital so they are more free to bet on gambling, the defeat they get may not be a big problem for them because they are confident in the capital they have that much.
And for the poor they tend to gamble to multiply money hoping to get a win in order to help their daily basic needs, but they tend to be more careful, do not want to lose the money they bet on gambling because the anxiety with the money allows them to borrow money to gamble again because they are still "curious". and this is his fault, they can make their own lives because of their stupid actions.
For rich people, gambling is just a fun activity that shows how well off they are financially. For poor people, though, its a last-ditch effort to hold on to a fleeting dream that often leads to a sad trap. What makes them bet when the odds are so bad? There is more to it than just "curiosity." There is hope, despair, and societal forces at play. We have to ask: Does the system take advantage of their weakness? They arent just "stupid"; they are caught in a bigger, sneakier loop. How do we get out of this? Get educated? Regulation? Thats a tough problem that needs both empathy and real answers.

You are right, rich people who gamble are only for the purpose of seeking pleasure no more than that, also rich people do not seem to hesitate by stepping, they do not hesitate with the money they put in gambling. It is likely that they already know the meaning of gambling where it is only a place to seek pleasure not a place to make money. Unlike the poor who may be nervous if their money has started to run low, they doubt and maybe they are not fully confident in what they are doing, maybe they are also worried about the money they have in gambling. It may be true that the system takes advantage of them,  because gambling also has a strong attraction to attract all people who gamble to become addicted, whether the answer is difficult or not, they must be able to realize that the money they have is not entirely for betting in gambling.
2025  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling should be play with care on: December 03, 2023, 01:19:49 AM
People don't have statistics to play gamble and that is why some of the gambling enthusiasm do experience (shege in gambling... meaning much loses in a gambling) so it's good for gamblers to know a specific amount that should go out in their wallet weekly or monthly.

When you check the statistics of who is on constant gambling of different kind of gambling either casino, poker game and other gambling games, should check the funds that goes out of them monthly because of gambling and they funds they received in a month and annually in gambling if they are of the same amount.

If we planned our gambling bet we should not be going crazy after when we have not meet up our target in gambling, what i expected every gambler is to make table of how much should be spend in gambling and how much should go investment, because money we loses in gambling continuously if we gather it together it will sum up to start a little business. I'm say play gamble with experience, don't use all you have for casino gambling

Many cases have been seen where people who only chase winnings in gambling will end up with big losses in the end, gambling is not an easy thing to pursue, especially if you intend to return your capital in one night, honestly that will never happen it's easy if you have poor emotional control and are always greedy in every gambling activity you do. People who always win at gambling must have good emotional control and also always gamble responsibly, just pay attention to that.

One thing that makes them worse is because gambling is not a place to put hope, especially in victory, all luck will run randomly and anyone including you will never know when luck will come to you. That is why people who chase victory will instead suffer many defeats, it's the same as you chasing luck which basically you will never know how to chase luck, we must understand that luck is not to be chased but it will come by itself at any time.

So I think it's really a stupid and ridiculous mindset if you gamble to chase a win that depends on how lucky you are. As the OP wrote "gamble with caution" it's because the negative impacts  outweigh the positive opportunities that you think are enough, and if you don't care and don't pay attention to this understanding then obviously I doubt you will be able to come to your senses quickly. Therefore, since this activity is only about luck, it is better to emphasize or apply a lot of restrictions to save, after all, if you are lucky then you will also be able to win even if you don't gamble too often.
2026  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is this a good advice? on: December 03, 2023, 12:14:25 AM
One of em told me that this is why I don't win, that I only gamble when I feel like, he said constantly gambling is a must if you want to win, but I disagree, because I have seen too many people not knowing when to quit until it was too late.

To me, gambling is a theater, a form of entertainment that I pay for, not a way to get rich quick, for them it's a must to win by force, one question seem to change his mood though.

Some may give free advice but not all advice is good advice. I disagree with those who expect jackpots or big wins just by consistently gambling. Here continuous gambling is not guaranteed to win but taking a break from gambling can give a gambler time to make the right decision. He may get an opportunity to consider the pros and cons. Those who continue to gamble are more likely to become addicted. And we cannot imagine addicted gamblers as successful gamblers. Moreover, if someone tries to gamble thinking of getting something specific from gambling, such as a jackpot, then that dream is more likely to go in vain.

Although all suggestions are shown or lead to something better but on the other hand it always depends on everyone's point of view, if for you it is good then not necessarily for others it will be good, some conditions and circumstances may be the difference. Of course, if you put your hopes on gambling then usually the opposite will happen, instead of getting the jackpot that they are always chasing but what happens is that they keep losing and they don't realize it, why? because their hopes are greater and always put faith in something that has absolutely no certainty and guarantee whether you will be able to get a jackpot like that or not.

I'm sure I think the number of your losses if calculated will be greater than the winnings you get and you should be aware of that. The more you try the closer you get to the addiction zone, so any limits are important here, and you can get better if you can come to the realization that gambling is not a place to put your hopes.
2027  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Most gamblers do not believe they can consistently make money, that's why... on: December 02, 2023, 11:08:49 PM
As you've read the thread title, I'll continue the explanation here, as it cannot accommodate additional text. I've come across numerous topics and posts where gamblers express disbelief in the idea of consistently making profit through gambling. It makes me question whether these individuals are truly involved in gambling or if they're posting without the real experiences and knowledge. Personally, I firmly believe that there are people who have achieved real success in gambling. What perplexes me is why many discourage gambling as a means of making money. Instead of outright saying no, they could guide gamblers with the right strategies on how to stay disciplined, enhance skills, minimize the risk of bankruptcy, and increase the chances of winning.

If you're someone who doesn't believe anyone can be profitable in gambling, you might as well consider yourself not welcome in this thread. I'm looking for people who maintain optimism about their chances in gambling so they can share valuable insights.

Now, let's hear your opinion. In 3...2...1... go!

We don’t know the exact number of people who posting without playing and with playing gambling.But if the gambler post with the technical data,we can understand he will post by the experience in gambling.The gambler need not worry about the other’s criticism once they join the gambling.Because the gambler should himself understand the rules of gambling before starting of the game and ready to accept the loss incase he get loss due to bad luck in the game.The gambler should play the discipline game for the benefit of the good game output.If the gambler follow the rules,his money in the gambling wallet will be safe.If he follow rules,his account won’t be banned by the gambling site.

It seems that there are some of those on the forum, especially those who are into gambling but they are not gamblerss, meaning that they do not have direct experience and are not involved in gambling, but it doesn't matter at least with them intervening in the discussion there will be some positive knowledge that they can digest to be used as lessons so that they do not have the fate of those who are down in terms of the negative effects of gambling. To be honest, I wouldn't care too much about that, but we'll still be talking about things that should be done and things that should be avoided, at least for advice and warnings.

Understanding gambling is reallly recommended especially for those who are new and involved who usually often make mistakes whether it's technically or in terms of self-management and plans, on  the other hand I think it seems like casinos will give them warnings or even block  their accounts if they do some pretty suspicious actions..
2028  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cash out or keep playing? on: December 02, 2023, 10:24:00 PM
Usually when you hit a big profit , you should insta cash out and buy yourself something or you will end up making another deposit with the money you just withdrew a few hours or days ago. However ,if you have hot streak day , you should give it a try and keep playing a bit more but as soon as you realize you are just losing money , just leave and cash out for good.  Cool

Yes it should be like that but the problem is that it won't be that easy buddy, there are many factors that will be a barrier to why they are difficult / difficult to do so, if indeed you are getting a pretty good luck phase by winning a certain amount then that's where your patience will be tested, will you be able to resist all the temptations not to overdo it or not? I think only a few can do that, and that's why there are now more people  who are down than those who stay fine.

The casino has given you  some winnings that were driven by your luck at a certain time but unfortunately you couldn't take advantage of the situation and circumstances, instead of withdrawing and enjoying the results of your winnings with a glass of beer but you chose to continue in the hope of getting something bigger, when on the other hand different times mean different luck too, which means that not necessarily the next time luck will still hold for you. So it's better to do what you should do, meaning make the best choice from the results of common sense considerations.
2029  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 02, 2023, 02:22:53 PM
I like to see how Girona goes this season, but regardless of what is happening now Madrid can still win trophies. Returning to Girona, the match they are playing now against Valencia has just shown vulnerability, Girona conceded in the 56th minute. But maybe there is still a chance to equalize. If the final result is that Valencia wins Girona will suffer a loss because the next match will be Barcelona. I actually bet on Girona winning because referring to their track record so far makes me more confident. However, in this match after conceding 1 goal, maybe it doesn't matter if my bet ultimately fails.
2030  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 02, 2023, 01:45:48 PM
Manchester United will look to capitalize on their historic dominance over Newcastle to secure a much-needed win in the Premier League today. Manchester United have the attacking quality that will cause problems for Newcastle's defense. With both teams hungry for points, the stage is set for an exciting and hotly contested match at St James' Park. Newcastle can continue their excellent home form, having won eight of their 10 home games this season, Manchester United have already won just one of their last four visits to St James' Park. Fans can expect an intense battle for both teams to assert their dominance and climb the Premier League table. This match promises to be a thrilling encounter that fans will not want to miss. I think Newcastle United can beat Manchester United 2-1.
Newcastle United vs Manchester United is going to be an interesting match to watch, both clubs are looking to secure a spot in the Premier League top-four race. I see Newcastle United winning over Manchester United because of Newcastle United's recent form and Newcastle United has won over clubs like Chelsea, and Arsenal in the Premier League this season.
Newcastle really want to win at home because I am sure that the effectiveness of the attack will be dominated by Eddie Howe troops. The last meeting between the two in the Premier League gave the impression of trauma for Man United especially since the fresh wind was blowing towards Newcastle. Looking at the temporary statistics of 47% for Newcastle is certainly not wrong and I am optimistic to continue betting on the home team which can get 3 points.

Newcastle has Bruno Guimaraes who  needs to be wary of Man United defense because he could provide a surprise in this match. The battle for the  top 5 positions in the standings for both  teams is very important and it is possible that Ten Hag is concocting a strategy,  well at least Andre Onana will not make the same mistake.  For me that's the only problem with Man United, when all the players are solid there is only one person who is most worried about destroying his friend's hopes of winning.
2031  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Risking 1% in Gambling on: December 02, 2023, 01:20:49 PM
As long as we know the limits of gambling and obey them, we will definitely be fine. But in reality, many people don't remember this, and instead, they violate it by depositing more money to be able to chase their winnings. Whatever amount of money you use to gamble, it is an amount you can afford, so you don't need to take the risk of experiencing a big loss. If more people could do this, the number of problem gamblers could decrease because many gamblers would try to gamble responsibly so they could avoid the greater risk of losing. They will also be able to manage their money well while gambling and know when to stop gambling.

Knowing about what we are doing is very important, we shouldn't attempts gambling just the way we do to other things in life because each has its different ways of approach, gambling is not a source of making a profitable income from the bet we made, we should know the level of risk already involved when we say we are about to gamble, which also means we can loose or win and when either of the two occurs, we should accept it with all comfort because we realized that gambling is not a winning always attempts in playing bet.


It's not easy, because trying to stay sober in a drifting state is not easy, which is why there's usually regret at the end of the session. On top of that, your logic and emotions will be battling it out between staying safe or trying to continue chasing something that is basically uncertain due to curiosity and not accepting defeat, and it's usually very difficult to think logically and reasonably due to the heat of the moment which makes it difficult to do so because of the emotion that is difficult to subdue.

Basically your statement is true, it's good advice to encourage someone not to make a mistake in approaching their gambling involvement, because even a little mistake will be very difficult for them to return to a healthy mindset because they have lost money that they cannot give up. Understanding from the beginning is the most important thing in this matter in my opinion, a realistic point of view and way of thinking will make you not misunderstand what gambling really is, I think you will avoid something that looks tempting when it is just a temptation and trap. You will be fine if you know and understand what gambling is along with the concept of real luck, that's all. Wink

2032  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: December 02, 2023, 01:00:32 PM

The other person in question is a beginner because beginners are usually careless and get carried away by uncontrollable emotional currents when gambling so that in order to satisfy the desire to take revenge for defeats and also want to recover losses, they are finally determined to take out loans from banks or loan sharks in order to return everything. loss but in fact it doesn't work, that method is very dangerous and wrong to do, a good suggestion is to gamble wisely using unused money is the right way.

It is true that I have seen lately that more victims very quickly are the new beginners who have just come, unconsciously they are carried away by the sensation of gambling, with this alone I am enough to conclude that most beginners come with reckless goals, or that means they come with the intention of looking for something that is very difficult to achieve or even quite impossible especially if they want good results consistently.

They come because of the curiosity of winning that they always see that other people are able to get, beginners never ask the people who motivate them through several wins about how much money has been sacrificed just to get one / several wins in tens / hundreds of tries. Chasing losses is an indication that they are not responsible gamblers because they are not prepared for disappointing situations, such a cycle will never end until they are traumatized by bitter events due to their excessive actions, and besides, running out of money is not the end of the world, because they will look for other alternatives that can be utilized such as borrowing money from friends, relatives or even the nearest bank agent. That's where a lot of new problems will arise, getting into debt, depression/stress and ending up crazy, do you want the same fate?
2033  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamble Responsibly on: December 02, 2023, 12:39:15 PM
~snip~
It doesn't cost a thing to become an addicted gambler, once you set your goals in your mind, you will start pursuing that goal, you ain't going to stop until you achieve it and if luck isn't on your side you will be in a free fall into gambling addiction.

The first thing to do is not to have a goal, have the mind of trying out and see, accept gambling for what it is, nothing but a game of good and bad luck, gambling isn't your job or a good source of income, it should be handled like having fun going to the circus with your family when you have the free time, and whatever money you spend that day if gone, all go into fun.

If you can compose yourself in such manner then you will have less expectations in gambling, this will also make you risk less money gambling, you will be able to handle your bankroll and know what you are capable of losing.
The first thing that must be prepared before we gamble is that we must know that our goal of gambling is to gain pleasure with self-control and discipline as well as restrictions to prevent losses that we will experience so that we can reduce the number of losses. By having a goal like that, we can make gambling entertainment and not gamble excessively so that we can limit our losses.

As long as we can use gambling as entertainment, we will be fine and can enjoy it for what it is. By gambling responsibly, we can also prevent problems that are often faced by many gamblers, which make many gamblers addicted to gambling and it is difficult to cure it. But with everything we have, we will not experience any problems because we only use gambling as entertainment.

Exactly, your goal will determine what results you will get and along with the impact you will experience and feel, if in your mind you feel that your goal does not make sense then don't do it, do some more consideration and see from various sides about gambling before you decide and regret it, use your common sense to think and use your eyes to see realistically. There is no better and safer destination than you come just looking for something that doesn't really matter, or the intention is not to earn but just to find fun, it's the best choice that is more recommended for your security and safety.

The right mindset will result in the right goal, because you consider everything with common sense and realistically, some other factors of course the best will be easy for you to do if you come with no exaggeration and just looking for fun, because then there is no hope that you put in to earn but only come to look for sensations to make you happy.
2034  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What I learnt from a crackhead about gambling on: December 02, 2023, 11:38:24 AM
I don't think it's a generalized subject about gambling as more harmful than drug addiction, some feel it the other way around others feel that drug is more harmful and dangerous because they destroy the mind and the body, in fact so many dies of drug overdose because the body cannot keep up, and some drug addicts commit crimes because their minds are clouded by the drugs they take.
Both addiction are bad for health and finances we cannot make one better than the other, some can survive the drugs, and some can survive gambling if we have a friend who are in any of the two we need to do everything to help them and not make a comparison.
In my opinion, these two things can both ruin a person's life from the start before they introduce these two things, some people who are addicted to gambling can commit crimes when they don't have the funds to do the gambling they want and those who are addicted to drugs of course so too.
Helping those who have experienced addiction to this is not an easy thing to do if they themselves do not have the desire to leave what they are doing.

Yes I also agree with what you said, these two things can ruin someone's life because each of these two things has an equally dangerous impact that can also harm them. There is nothing better than these two things, both of them will harm them in many ways, drugs can harm their health which will damage their mentality, mindset and others also they will experience depression which might make them die because of drug addiction.

Not much different from drug addiction, gambling addiction is also the same, it will harm many things, time, money, relationships, mindset, and maybe also with their health. So it is better to keep than to cure, because if you are addicted to these two things or one of them, it will be difficult to cure it.
2035  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: December 02, 2023, 08:22:16 AM
At least you admit it that you've got the wrong action and I think that's more than enough to learn your lesson. Hope this is an eye opener to everyone out there that has a likelihood to be in the same situation as the OP. The only winner here was the casino and the bank but that's the risk of taking risks, you'll end up either to retire early or worst pays the price of losing.
If he was able to beat the casino using loan, we will see a completely opposite thread than this one because he's successful and he think taking a loan to gamble works. Cheesy

I wonder if $2K is a big money for the @OP, but of course this will be a good lesson for him to learn never gamble using loan money. If investing using loan is already a bad decision, gambling using loan is actually a worst decision.

In my opinion, what he did was wrong, especially if by borrowing money to gamble it was not wrong anymore but stupid, if they still hope in gambling it doesn't matter, but if they take the action of borrowing money to do gambling, in my opinion they don't have a brain, maybe they still have a brain but it's not working properly hahaha.

After all, the personal money that has clearly been used up for gambling in my opinion is enough to realize that gambling is not a place to make money, but their brains that are not working properly will not think about that, they will continue to do everything possible to be able to gamble, even if it is borrowing from other people or banks.
2036  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 02, 2023, 08:00:50 AM
I have observed that the rich, I mean those who are financially comfortable, win more in gambling than the poor. By poor, I mean those who do not have enough to meet all their needs. I don't know the reason for this. Could it be that the rich understand financial management more? Or could it be that the rich are less desperate to win which make them make better gambling decision? I really want to know the reason for this pattern I have observed.
Simply put, wealthy individuals have strong and stable financial resources, leading to a much more comfortable mindset. With the same amount of gambling, if the wealthy lose, it doesn't significantly impact their lives.

However, for the poor, it could become a burden for them and their families in the future. Gambling is a game of psychology, and if your mindset is not solid, the chances of winning are quite low. How can we make rational decisions when, if we lose, our families might go hungry or incur debt the next day? I experienced this when I invested in crypto with borrowed money.

My mind was always anxious about potentially losing that money. So, when I faced about a 20% loss, I hastily cut my losses, thinking it would continue to decline the next day. A few days later, that amount would have doubled if I hadn't sold early. I truly regretted it, and it became clear to me how much my mindset influenced my decisions at that time.

There is also a point, rich people tend to have more capital to gamble so they don't hesitate to bet without thinking about the defeat that will be obtained, because they have a lot of capital so they are more free to bet on gambling, the defeat they get may not be a big problem for them because they are confident in the capital they have that much.
And for the poor they tend to gamble to multiply money hoping to get a win in order to help their daily basic needs, but they tend to be more careful, do not want to lose the money they bet on gambling because the anxiety with the money allows them to borrow money to gamble again because they are still "curious". and this is his fault, they can make their own lives because of their stupid actions.
2037  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tips on staying responsible. on: December 02, 2023, 07:36:14 AM
By making it a habit, they can definitely turn it into something good, and perhaps they only need a short time to become even better. The results that each person will get will vary depending on their efforts, but what is clear is that if someone is willing to try slowly, no matter how long it takes, he can definitely change his habits. By doing it continuously, we program our body and mind to do something different from what we usually do so that we will divert our attention to that new thing. What we want from gambling is pleasure and entertainment, so if we stick to our goal, we will not deviate from that goal and will still be able to enjoy gambling as it should.

If they are confident maybe it won't take long, with the confidence they have I think they can establish it quickly, because as the saying goes "the sooner the better", but it also depends on what is being done. Also, they will be able to do it if they get used to it because like another saying "It's possible because it's common", something that is difficult to do at first if done regularly will become easy. Gambling should only be for fun not for profit, because after all the big profits will only be felt by the casino itself which has all the gambling rules. They just have to play responsibly by having everything they can do to avoid the losses that will come. Also do not forget many things just because of gambling alone. So I think they win if they can gamble responsibly well.
The house always wins. That's statistically true. Every casino game favors them. So, we must be careful when discussing pleasure gambling. How frequently does simply for pleasure become trying to win back what was lost? Entertainment can lead to obsession. Is the momentary thrill worth the long-term mental and financial risks?

In many situations, repeated practice makes tough activities easier, but does it apply to gambling? One may become more familiar with the games, but does it mean victory versus a player-loss system? Responsible gambling is more about self-control than skill. Limits, stopping, and addiction signals are key. Gambling is entertainment, not a source of income. Health is more than avoiding financial ruin. Gambling tension and anxiety can hurt mental health. We support safe gambling, but it's a hobby, not a talent to be mastered.

Does everyone who experiences entertainment become obsessed? Does everyone who seeks entertainment become obsessed?
Whether it's frequent or not depends on the person, bro, can you guess how often someone does things that are invisible?
The sensation felt by gamblers who consider it just for entertainment does not last long, also the mentality that exists depends on the person, do they consider gambling as entertainment where they don't care about losing because they consider it as entertainment, what are they looking for? fun and sensation in the game not winning, although they also want victory but that is not the goal of those who play just for entertainment.
Will they continue to gamble forever? Will they never realize the gambling that makes them lose a lot?. Gambling is about winning and losing isn't it? Is there anything else like draw? Gambling generally prioritizes self-control, especially with slot gambling where skills do not apply to this gambling, skills can apply to poker gambling because poker is a math game at its core.

I think their health will not be disturbed if they can gamble responsibly and have good self-control, including their mentality will also be safe if they gamble by not following their greed and ego which can plunge them into addiction. They destroy their mentality also because of their own actions that cannot control themselves when gambling so that they gamble with frustration and lust which obviously will make them experience losses. If they make gambling a hobby, it means that it is something they have to do often, right? because a hobby as far as I know is an activity that someone can do when free time or leisure arrives and tends to be something that he does that makes him happy and also makes it a habit, if their hobby is gambling, is this a good thing? in my opinion gambling is also about entertainment, not a source of income, because the city that organizes gambling is also intended to generate income, not provide income.

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If they are confident maybe it won't take long, with the confidence they have I think they can establish it quickly, because as the saying goes "the sooner the better", but it also depends on what is being done. Also, they will be able to do it if they get used to it because like another saying "It's possible because it's common", something that is difficult to do at first if done regularly will become easy. Gambling should only be for fun not for profit, because after all the big profits will only be felt by the casino itself which has all the gambling rules. They just have to play responsibly by having everything they can do to avoid the losses that will come. Also do not forget many things just because of gambling alone. So I think they win if they can gamble responsibly well.
If they are confident that they can do it, everything will feel easy because there is a desire within them to do what they should do. Something is difficult, but there is a desire to continue to persevere while looking for ways to calm himself down, which will give him greater enthusiasm so he can go through each session. And before that happens, gamblers who frequently gamble must be careful and always try to be responsible with themselves while gambling and not exceed their limits. Becoming a responsible gambler is difficult, but if we don't try, we will never know how to become a responsible gambler. Only with a strong desire to always limit our gambling can we become responsible gamblers.

You are right, gambling responsibly will also benefit themselves, even if they don't get a win at least they can reffrain from continuing to gamble and that in my opinion is also an advantage for them.  Because then they will not lose more money and also minimize the losses that will occur to them. As much as possible they should gamble responsibly because that's what they have to do, not like what has happened out there a lot of people who gamble irresponsibly with a lot of other responsibilities that are more important and obviously it harms them themselves such as time and especially money because if they gamble with lust they probably won't think about the money used for gambling and ignore the defeat that makes them miserable because a lot of money has been downstream of gambling.  With the confidence that is in them maybe they will do it happily even though it is difficult for them I dont think it will be a problem for them, So I hope they can do well because this is all for themselves not for others Even if they win it is only the beginning of poverty not the beginning of wealth.
2038  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling are mainly for rich and lucky mind. on: December 02, 2023, 05:00:47 AM
There is no such luck that one person has over another it's mere coincidence on random based games.  Some people win more than other people but that is just the way it goes, it's not all the time.  Gambling isn't just for the lucky and rich its for anyone who uses it as a form of entertainment which I do.

Yes that's right, because people's luck is different, someone who is lucky in gambling may get a big win that he can have and enjoy but he is not necessarily lucky in other things such as work, and vice versa someone who is unlucky in gambling may be lucky in work. Therefore, the portion of people's luck is different and it is impossible for all of them to have the same luck.  All people can and may do gambling but they must be prepared for the risks that you are so therefore they must address gambling only for entertainment not for making money, because gambling is entertainment in the form of games, not games to make money. Although there are those who make money by gambling, I don't think it is to be imitated but only to see if he is lucky in gambling.
2039  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: December 02, 2023, 04:22:56 AM
But most people today gamble irresponsibly by forgetting a lot of things even their own health they can forget, really not playing the side effects of gambling that can make someone forget themselves. I always anticipate this, I gamble but not by forgetting things, especially with health because I think everyone knows health is expensive. They should also realize that they won't be able to succeed if they only gamble, there is very little chance of winning let alone being successful. But it cannot be hidden that people who are addicted to gambling are not few, many of them still want a big win to become successful with gambling or in other words rich with gambling, this kind of mindset must be changed but it is also difficult to change or realize those who are already addicted to gambling.
It would be a shame if they forget many things, including their health, just because they want to gamble, which they can even do on the sidelines of their routine activities. They don't care about their health even though their health is the most valuable thing for them. If they are healthy, they can do whatever they want and can also gamble. But if they still want to make a career out of gambling, that's up to them and it's best if they already know what the consequences will be for them. Yes, many people are already addicted to gambling and this number will probably increase in the future, especially if people cannot take good care of themselves. Indeed, this mindset influences them to continue gambling, so they have to improve their mindset first if they want to change their habits.

yes that's right, they are not aware of other more important things. like you said they can do it in between times if they are healthy, but if they get sick because of gambling it is very unfortunate to prioritize things that are not clear with a positive end. They should be prepared with all the risks if they always prioritize gambling in their days. Yes gambling easily attracts the people around it to become addicted too at this time people do a lot of gambling and some are even willing to leave their regular jobs to gamble, they hope to be successful with gambling even though it is very unlikely to happen, with gambling of course this is to make money not to give money, maybe there are some people who are successful with gambling, but that doesn't happen with everyone because only people who have strong luck to succeed, if they are not too addicted they must know about this so that nothing happens that is not wanted and also will not harm themselves in the future.
2040  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can you make gambling a profession - a full time job on: December 01, 2023, 10:00:49 PM
I mean technically you can make anything a "full time profession".  If you are single it's less risky but if you have a family, I would ride or die on gambling to support your family.  What happens if ypu go bust?  Now other people have to suffer from you choice of not getting a continual paying job.  Leave gambling for fun.  If you make a ton of money doing it, count it as a bonus.

Yes anything can be made into a profession but if we make gambling an object of profession I think this idea is too dangerous and even if you can I'm sure it's very difficult, I mean I'm not sure you will be able to get through all the pressure that is in gambling as a result. Although you have the freedom of choice but try to choose something more reasonable and use your common sense in thinking to consider whatever place is suitable or not to make a profession.

Especially if you have a family which of course your responsibilities are quite large in the real world, you need money for sure and must always be there when the need calls you, while the results of gambling are always unpredictable, what if you are always difficult to get lucky? I can't imagine what your condition will be full of various pressures whether it's from the pressure of need or pressure from the impact of gambling which will greatly interfere with your mental and psychological. So the point is that this profession is really not recommended, it's better to find a sure thing that can give you a fixed salary without the risk of gambling for your safety as well.
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