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2081  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Idea for MtGox competitors on: June 22, 2013, 10:17:19 AM
afaik there are no USD codes any more
2082  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Idea for MtGox competitors on: June 22, 2013, 10:01:13 AM
Post the offer on the forums & also email that long list of MtGox customer emails that was leaked back in 2011. You could grow your revenue 5x overnight.
Starting a business by spamming is NOT a good idea!

 Angry
2083  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice : FREE BTC : Play or Invest on: June 22, 2013, 09:53:34 AM
715 here, anyways the bank seems still quite lucky today (3.9k wagered, house is 89 up instead of 39)
2084  Local / Projektentwicklung / Re: Nebel-Investment für interessierte Anleger on: June 22, 2013, 12:00:38 AM
Ist das überhaupt legal? Ich bin mir sicher, das Wetteramt hat da auch noch so einiges mitzureden...

Bei 'nem Freund eines Freundes sind dann auch eines schönen Morgens 3 Meterologen vor der Tür gestanden und haben gedroht ihn zu verklagen, wenn er nicht aufhört Schnee über Silkroad zu verkaufen!
2085  Local / Biete / Re: Hardware Hosting - besteht Interesse? on: June 21, 2013, 11:57:42 PM
Bitte, zeig mir den Anbieter der in DEUTSCHLAND 4,5-6,5 Cent/kWh verlangt.

Naja, in Österreich bekommt man Strom auch locker unter 10 cent/kWh - ABER... da sind die Netzgebühr + Steuer noch nicht dabei! Brutto kostet das dann in etwa Strompreis * 3, also in etwa 25-30 cent statt 8-10.
2086  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who need bitcoin to launder money when you have... on: June 21, 2013, 01:40:14 PM
It's been around far longer than the Euro and the world did not go down in chaos either...

The only problem with using BTC for laundering money is that you will have a hard time buying and selling lots of them in a short timeframe. Being limited to less than 12 million units atm. doesn't help either...

Once there is depth in the market and moving a few millions of USD in or out is not causing complete crashes or doubling the current price AND if there are actually some places where you can trade and receive these amounts (good luck in getting any serious amount of money from MtGox) then it might be useful for laundering. Currently tax evasion might be slightly useful, but even then I guess the paper trail is still far too large and there would be probably more established and more useful ways to do this using traditional banks and currencies.
2087  Local / Suche / Re: [SUCHE] PayPal Zahlung - [BIETE] Bitcoins on: June 21, 2013, 01:30:12 PM
http://www.fma.gv.at/de/unternehmen/e-geld-institute.html

Naja, ob man da jetzt Zahlungsdienstleister, E-Geld Institut oder gar Bank sein muss um Euros entgegenzunehmen und komisches Internetgeld herzugeben. VirWox ist ja offenbar mit ihrem SLL Handelsplatz auch sowas in der Richtung, gehört aber auch laut http://imfed.org/ratings/virwox-virtual-world-services-gmbh/ einigen Rechtsanwälten in Graz...
2088  Local / Suche / Re: [SUCHE] PayPal Zahlung - [BIETE] Bitcoins on: June 21, 2013, 01:23:06 PM
So kompliziert finde ich das jetzt auch nicht in Österreich, blöd ist nur, dass z.B. BitPay dir nur empfiehlt einen Bitstamp account aufzumachen, da sie SEPA (warum auch immer) nicht nach Österreich überweisen, sondern nur nach Deutschland. Also muss man das Ganze "von Hand" umtauschen, wenn man Euros und kein Wechselkursrisiko will.

Banklizenz braucht man ziemlich sicher keine, man kann aber ja mal die FMA fragen...
2089  Local / Anfänger und Hilfe / Re: Wieviel Watt kann man durch die Steckdose "ballern" on: June 21, 2013, 01:19:27 PM
Ist sinnvoll. Dann ist das Limit nur die Absicherung am Hausübergabepunkt (normalerweise 20KW).

Da hatte ich mal das Problem, dass das auch nur mit 16A abgesichert war (Aluminiumleitung)... Wasserkocher + Waschmaschine + E-Herd = Stromausfall incl. Stromwerk anrufen, da man in den Hausanschlusskasten mit Keramiksicherung ja nicht reinkann (sonst könnte man ja einfach den Zähler überbrücken).

Um die 3000Watt auf Dauer pro Stromkreis würde ich persönlich nicht überschreiten, auch mal die anderen Kabel (billige Verteilersteckdosen!!!) beachten, ob da was warm wird.
2090  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice : FREE BTC : Play or Invest on: June 21, 2013, 01:14:05 PM
Why do you need admin rights to run Firefox Portable? Huh
2091  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Just-Dice.com - Geniale neue Gamblingseite mit Investmentfunktion - on: June 21, 2013, 01:06:21 PM
Hm, mal reingeschaut und ich bin auch ziemlich begeistert (auch wenn ich das Konzept von Glücksspiel irgendwie sinnlos finde) - sehr schön umgesetzt, so hätte Satoshi's Dice funktionieren sollen!

Dooglus kann von mir aus sogar die paar Coins die ich dort mal hochgeladen habe veruntreuen, der hätte es sich eh verdient. Tongue
2092  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice : FREE BTC : Play or Invest on: June 21, 2013, 01:00:15 PM
Try a different (portable) browser maybe... could be an issue with Javascript.
2093  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who need bitcoin to launder money when you have... on: June 21, 2013, 12:54:57 PM
You obviously never heard of the 1000 Swiss Francs bank note, eh? Roll Eyes
2094  Local / Projektentwicklung / Re: Bitcoin Börsenprojekt on: June 20, 2013, 07:26:58 PM
Man kann natürlich auch Kunden gegeneinander wetten lassen. Wenn das aber ohne Limits passieren soll, dann muss die Plattform ab und zu auch echte Aktien kaufen um das Risiko abzufedern oder eben nicht alle Wetten akzeptieren.

Sobald die Plattform nicht rein in BTC rechnet (z.b. man überweist 1 BTC und bekommt 100EUR gutgeschrieben, um die man dann Aktien kaufen kann) muss man entweder akzeptieren, dass sich das Guthaben ändern kann (am nächsten Tag hat man nur mehr 90EUR im Portfolio) oder die Plattform muss Bitcoins shorten.

Was noch möglich wäre, wäre ein Parimutel-Wettportal auf Aktienkurse (damit müsste man nicht hedgen), allerdings hat man da wieder Probleme, dass frühe Wetten meist extra belohnt werden müss(t)en, kurze Wettzeiträume wiederum zu wenige Leute anlocken und damit die möglichen Gewinne selbst bei korrekten Vorhersagen uninteressant werden. Sobald das Haus mitwettet, sollten dessen Vorhersagen wiederum möglichst gut sein...

Naja, schaun wir mal was das werden soll - interessant, einfach und gewinnversprechend genug um eine Hausfrau dazu zu bewegen BTC zu kaufen aber mit sehr wenig Kapital aufziehbar und wirft dabei noch genug Geld ab, um das aufgenommene Kapital mit 100% Gewinn schnell zurückzuzahlen...
2095  Local / Suche / Re: Suche HD 5850 on: June 20, 2013, 01:22:34 PM
http://geizhals.at/eu/sapphire-vapor-x-radeon-hd-5850-11162-03-40r-a506742.html hätte ich anzubieten, die 85€ wären dann aber ohne Versand.
2096  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Encrypt using Bitcoin public key? on: June 20, 2013, 09:38:46 AM
Is it possible to send an encrypted message to an owner of an address using that address's public key?
Potentially possible or possible right now?

Potentially possible, yes of course, check out Bitmessage for an implementation of that.

Possible right now: No. Bitcoin is not designed to even find out where a recipient of a message/transaction is or if an address even has a known private key. Everybody in the network would need to receive your message and check if they have a private key to decrypt it. Also Bitcoin is NOT a messaging system...
2097  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [ANN] Whitepaper for the DEX (Distributed EXchange) is here! on: June 20, 2013, 09:31:42 AM
In the end issuing fiat IOUs is a regulated activity in most countries probably (as this is quite close to operating a bank) and has VERY high fines and risks involved if you try to do this illegally. There are by the way less than 250 countries recognized by the UN...
Bitcoin is not (yet?) illegal; issuing fiat IOUs, no matter if backed by BTC or not, most definitely is - and it has been already for at least decades.

Can you give us some information to back this up?

I'm aware there are some risks.   Isnt this what Ripple is based on?

What about store coupons?  Can I be arrested for using them?

Check out DIRECTIVE 2009/110/EC of the EU for example (which then gets legislated locally into all EU member states):
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2009:267:0007:0017:EN:PDF
http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/payments/emoney/

For store coupons it depends on if they are electronic or not I guess, talk to a lawyer about that. I guess there's a difference between emitting something that can be redeemed as cash (e.g. "give me this coupon and I give you a 100 EUR note") vs. redeeming in goods only (e.g. "give me this coupon and I sell you electronics for up to 100 EUR in my own prices").

How will you ensure (btw: will you even need to insure?) that there is only 1 account per person? As I understand it, this is implicit, because your ratings are so precious.
There is absolutely no need to ensure that ppl only have one account. Let them have hundreds each, nothing lost. Ratings are ALWAYS automatically generated.

The only way to fake high ratings  in DEX is to actually pay the money to do so, which of course makes them legit ratings afterall.
The thing is that I can take a 100 EUR note in my left hand and 1 BTC in my right hand, exchange their contents 100 times and now I did 100 trades with 10k EUR in volume that were executed properly and are rateable...

Instead of left hand and right hand take "newly generated account" instead. Do you see the problem now? Also complex background algorithms are not really useful, IP addresses are not identifiers at all and if someone deals locally a certain locality of IP addresses is also to be expected. Same source also just means to create a new account on one side for each trade. They might raise the bar for simple attacks, but that only means you need to scam for higher amounts in the end.

How much collateral do I issue and who holds it when doing a trade and how does this influence the fact that I say "I am user X, I will buy 100 USD bonds from vendor X" and then do any step necessary to do so successfully, then redeem these bonds again after some time and repeat? The requirement for the vendor account holding ~1 BTC which I get back anyways upon redemption (that I can guarantee as I am both parties)?
You lost me here. Could you explain this part better?
You said
Can users select their dealer (aka. vendor)? If yes, then it is easy to fake ratings by selling to yourself.
False, collateral must be issued.

Who holds this collateral, who is the one putting it up (only vendor, only buyer, both, none) and how does any collateral prevent me from selling to myself to raise my rating, as I can redeem it afterwards anyways? All the system sees is a completely new account popping up, negotiating a trade with my existing vendor account, both do all and any steps necessary to issue bonds and after some time these bonds get redeemed. If there is still some collateral kept after this, why would someone use this system and actually who holds that collateral (as I am both buyer and seller it needs to be someone else on the network?).

Well, try to implement this system or any other rating system similar to it, make it really anonymous and I'll post a detailled guide on how to push ratings, fake accounts and scam people for fiat, BTC or both with ease... no matter which kind of rating, escrow, market tiers or other layer you add.
Some people just want to watch the world burn.

I, as an anarchist, prefer peace and prosperity for all. But if you insist on doing so, then I doubt you'll sleep well at night knowing that you actually helped the powers that be destroy bitcoin.
Who says this destroys Bitcoin? You do, not I! I would rather argue that creating system that is advertised like this:
You on the other hand assume that gateways (IOU issuers, bond creators...) in your scenario are going to be running illegally ("These collateralized fiat IOUs would certainly be regulated if they were regulateable.").
Illegal in which country? This is just like bitcoin.

In times like ours, only the illegal can be honest.
and publishing guidelines from the beginning on on how to avoid police raids because you're doing something illegal knowingly will hurt Bitcoin far more than the occassional bank bust because exchanges did not follow AML and KYC guidelines... Roll Eyes

Also maybe relevant: http://www.cs.uni.edu/~wallingf/blog/archives/monthly/2010-12.html#e2010-12-01T15_45_40.htm, but that's another issue that doesn't lie within your proposal.

Anyways - prove me wrong, actually build that distributed exchange system number 4 (next to Bitcoin-OTC WOT, localbitcoins and (soon?) OpenCoin Ripple) and let's see how it works out!
2098  Local / Suche / Re: [SUCHE] PayPal Zahlung - [BIETE] Bitcoins on: June 20, 2013, 08:49:48 AM
Beim checkout ist keine Rede mehr von Bitcoins, aber ich würde da eher mal ein Mail schicken.

Da du ohnehin öfter mal eine Kreditkarte brauchen wirst, würde ich einfach zur Prepaid Mastercard von Cryptcard raten.
2099  Economy / Goods / Re: (WTB) Lamborghini, used. $90,000 to $150,000 USA or Thailand not Orange! on: June 19, 2013, 07:54:31 PM
http://www.lambounfall.de/lamborghini-murcielago-crash.html, in case it hasn't been posted yet...
2100  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: OpenCL specialist wanted for help for a new project (pool client for a new coin) on: June 19, 2013, 07:50:00 PM
As far as I understand it, CL uses SHA3 instead of the SHA256 of Bitcoin.

This belongs in Alternate Cryptocurrencies though I guess.
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