I actually go to a lot of parties, and I'm usually one of the ones who has a crowd around while we're telling stories....none of which involve a pretend magic man.

I love this line of reasoning..."you won't pretend to believe in something there's no proof for so you can't be fun to have around"

I think Zolace has made some good points and has expressed them without anger. I don't think I will be running to join the Tea party anytime soon but his views along with bones deserve thinking about.

We already know that it goes between lerner and the doj, we learned that from a previous email that the select committee found. Now suddenly after that email all emails are lost? And if the doj is involved then holder is and IMO if holder is obama is. Or should I say jarret is but there isn't much difference between jarret and obama anyway.

No matter what anyone says it won't make a difference, will it? If some one speaks from experience someone else will say that he's deluded, that what he experienced isn't real. To which I say that everything we experience isn't real, then. Beyond experience is belief, which again will be derided. I mean, really, what is the point? No one here is really interested in having any dialogues. You all want to be parts of a click, being part of the mob. And you guys wonder why this place is dead. Someone comes along and says, "I have read," or "I have heard," and you all jump in quick as a flash and attack the idea. If everyone doesn't think, act, and do as the rest of the pack he is summarily denounced. For a forum that is supposed to espouse communication and understanding the inmates in charge make it anything but. It's just a little place where they all salute each other with "Heil Hitler!" There are so many Little Men here...

Zolace, the better question would have been, "What about homosexuals?" "How does re-incarnation answer the question of homosexuality?" How does Nature? In re-incarnation one's very last thought is supposedly paramount to one's next incarnation.

When Death occurs is not up to one's choosing, so neither is one's last thought. Such an idea may be founded in the Scriptures, in the writings of the Masters, in esoteric mystery schools (yes, even the Greek Mystery Schools; try reading Plotinus) but that will hardly matter to the Militant Atheists here, who co-opted Science and bend it to their fancy and who must crush any philosophy that may mean that they have any sort of responsibility for their thoughts and actions. Everyone has a Philosophy and the Militant Atheist feels that his voice must drown out all others. AynRandism running amok... She was such a narcissistic git...

Sana, you're wasting your time, here. No one is interested in hearing what you have to say, much less exchange any ideas. It'll end like it always has - in a trap. Read all the books you want on Re-incarnation, Karma, etc. Just don't try to discuss any ideas here. It's a waste of time.

which follows the experiments done with double slits and Wheeler's delayed choice version.

time/space act one way when not observed/measured by humans, but a different way when not. Wheeler's version lends credence to the idea that space/time are not linear.

http://highexistence.com/docs/experiment.pdf

What if planets are nothing more than collections of separate groups of consciousnesses. When you "die" you simply go back to the collective until you are reborn in your next life on another planet in the universe. Earth is just one of an infinite number of waystops.

Maybe you need to ask yourself why in societies when women gain control, societies collapse, when the next society starts with women having no rights?
Runs a lot deeper than you think.
Actually sex in history is a pretty good book about the whole thing, and it has nothing to do with the sexual act, just behaviors throughout history and the behaviors have not changed.
Now I'm sure you will jump all over me about being sexist, but when I am in a a position of authority, I hire women, they actually do a better job… But then again they also bring a lot of stupid drama also. But it's always fun to see how the men react to it.

lots of scientists understand quantum mechanics. nowadays, lots of grad students do too.

Functionally or mechanically? Functionally, most people are already robotic. Mechanically, we have been working on that for a very long time, and each year we get closer.

And then when you will realize that the IRS did not tell the investigation that due to an error they would have to go the extra mile to get the emails and therefore would be delayed in handing them over. And for those of us who live in our big kid clothes as rational and sane adults, we didn't need to run thru your scenario to realize the statement from the IRS didn't say they would merely be delayed in handing them over but that the emails were lost, gone, nonexistent and that line is nothing but bull. And that's because adults don't need to run the scenario thru their brain grasping for reasons to defend team obama.

Not surprised, since the organization profits more from the World Cup than does the country hosting it. Heck, the profit they receive is tax exempt as well. They even spent $27M on a fictional movie about the history of FIFA and it's original execs. Arrogant much?

Religious belief hasn't arisen in anyone for a few million years....its bred into them from the teachings of their elders or their society.  It arose in people as a whole a few million years ago when we first began to contemplate our existence.  It was a gradual progression.  A few million years ago we were about as intelligent as an elephant is now.  Elephants are beginning to contemplate their existence.  They mourn their dead and they revisit grave sites many years later.  They are currently very likely confused about death, but they understand what it is and they ponder it because they visit grave sites.   When their language becomes more sophisticated they will start to tell themselves similar stories we told ourselves to calm our fears and uncertainty.

A tribal priest passing on stories to the warriors that if they fought well, they would sit on a throne in Valhalla for all eternity sure sounds a bit more inspiring than "if you get killed it's over".  It makes perfect sense. Why wouldn't we want to motive our kids or our subjects with stories that have a greater influence?  Rule by fear.

Religion has no dibs on love or any other emotion.  People of every religion and people of no religion love just as deeply.
Why is religion always trying to take credit for the good things?   Love...yeah, that one's ours.  We got love.  We are all about love.  (Implying that those without religion aren't quite as in tune to love).  We got compassion....oh yeah....we are the most compassionate (implying that the non-religious are therefore less compassionate).  WE have a more fulfilled existence, less bleak  (that's pretty straightforward alleging those without religion are bleak).

 It is the greatest load of horseshit ever shoveled onto mankind and of all the religions of the world only the Buddha saw it.  He realized every human, no matter what they believe have felt the same emotions in the same ways and have the capacity to love and feel just as deeply as people of other faiths or of no faith.

Obama wants Maliki to bring the two factions together, so they can work out a solution through compromise. Come together and work out a solution that will work for everyone. Make nicey-nice!

You know, like Obama and the Democrats did when they shoved socialized medicine down our unwilling throats and told Republicans to go fuck themselves. Most Americans still hate and oppose it, but Obama and the Democrats don't give a rat's ass what We, the People want.

But they think Iraqis should 'compromise'.

OK so you want to change the subject, which was "I felt safe in Indonesia".  It was peaceful.  You would like the subject to now be "rights of women in Indonesia"? Lets first put the subject that I was discussing to bed. I felt safe in Indonesia, because as I showed you in the data, the violent crime rate is 8X lower than the US.  That's eight.  As in 8X lower.   I felt safe because I was in fact safer than I am at home.  Have I said that yet?  So now that you were wrong, you would like to change the subject.  OK fine. Are women second class citizens in Indonesia?.....sort of but not completely.  They've had the right to vote since 1945. They can do whatever a man does for the most part (except a man doesn't have to wear a head scarf).  You can see they are protesting in the article you cited kc.  Pictures of them with hands in the air marching in Bali.  It is hard for them to press cases of workplace abuse.  The courts haven't had a favorable ear.  Domestic abuse as well.  These things also happen here.There are even national laws against discrimination of women and minorities they can rely on to demand their government enforce them in local areas that attempt to enact discriminatory or restrictive (head scarf) code.

Indonesia has one of the lowest murder rates in the world, substantially lower than the US kc. In fact, it has one of the ten lowest murder rates in the world, way ahead of the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

And since those articles appeared I can provide you ten articles of violent public and/or school shootings in the United States that have killed more people than in any of those presented in your links.   Should I be saying....what a violent and horrible place the US is?.

Tell us what Christian nations?  Maybe you mean nations with a majority Christians.

what is that exactly in the history of humanity?   Nothing or very close to nothing?  No one religion can claim supremacy.  That is kind of the problem in the first place.   Islamic fundamentalists are "thriving" more in today's world.  We should be looking for reasons.   Clearly, believing in Islam alone is not what makes people terrorists.