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You are right ...the first link alone doesn't make the case. I already agreed with that. All my links make my case. You have not commented with any rationale to refute the case in its entirety. You are afraid to even discuss the other facts because your thread has been exposed as pure unadulterated bullshit like everything else that enters your pea-sized brain.
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I'd rather sell my organs after I die so my estate can get a fuckton of money and send my body to space so the sun can cremate me. I don't want to donate my liver to some alcoholic for free.
Sell a kidney while your alive. Just obviously dont reveal your selling it, but you can "donate" it after the person sends you a payment no? |
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Lets be clear about a few things so we can all see what a dishonest liar zolace has been:
1. My position is that your thread premise that atheism is evil is not demonstrated....not that atheism is better than religion or atheists are happier than religious people.
2). A sole link on happiness in Norway has never been the sole argument in my case that atheism is not evil. It is but a very small part of the weight of the evidence that atheists are not evil.
3) I posted links on Norway and many other countries that have low religion and high percentages of atheists.
4) I posted links on low crime and comparative safety in areas with low religious belief.
5) I posted links on disproportionately low prison convictions among atheists in the US
6) and yes, I posted a link that says these countries rate higher on happiness, and not just Norway with lots of resources, but many other nations with low religious belief. The people have social cohesion and are happy.
7) I posted links that say the majority of US scientists and other very smart productive and decent people are atheists.
Taken together, the conclusion that atheists are immoral and atheism is bad doesnot hold any water whatsoever.
Can you get over your obsession with one link and speak to the cumulative breadth of the evidence above?
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You have never offered any comment on any link save this one......since you are obsessed that atheism shouldnt make people happy.... What I am saying is that all the data on the planet says atheists are not immoral evil killing machines as you suppose. The data say they are happy, safe, smart, and socially close-knit.
What say you on all the other links I posted?
Do you disagree that atheists dont commit crime? tell me why...show me data.
Do you disagree that the majority of scientists who do a lot fo society are atheists
Do you disagree that religious belief is low in any of themany countries I listed in my links.
Can you enter a discussion or will you remain a liar?
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This is one of many links I supplied. Along with the other links that showed they aren't very religious...only about a tenth of the people go to church. the majority view religion as unimportant. Yet, there is no crime, they are safe, they have social cohesion, they are happy. How can a nation have a happy people who are safe and have high moral standards yet not care about religion? Why are so few atheists in prison in the US if you believe they have no moral compass?
Why are you so afraid to answer this?
Just that Norwegians are happy - and that if we had this link below alone, one would never assume atheism has anything to do with it (which is why you need the other links). Yes? Just want an honest answer here. I have told you a thousand times the case on atheism is not made from one link.You continue to try to make the entire case about one piece of information from one link. It has never been thus. A few posts ago you said I never showed that the link proves they are happy ( a lie). Now you say it does, but the link doesnt say it is atheism. I never said it did you fucking moron. Was I ever saying that atheists are happier than religious people? No. I was countering the premise of YOUR THREAD that atheism is bad . The data show that atheists are not bad....they are happy,socially cohesive, crime free, safe and smart. Atheists are not in prisons, communities with few believers are safe and full of happy people who don't commit crime. A high percentage of scientists and really smart people who do a lot for society are atheists. I posted many many links that disproved your thread premise that atheism is bad. |
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It is up to you if you ever want to talk like an adult and respond to my position with any reasoned logic or explanation of why you feel the way you do. That is up to you ......not me. I am not going to make the case of an idiot when I cant even see your case or what your mentally deranged mind is thinking. Only the mentally deranged person himself (you) can tell me what you think you see in that link that disproves my entire case.
Ready go!
You spend 13 pages asking me over and over about one link, that alone makes no case other than Norwegians are happy and socially cohesive. Good grief, as noted in the other thread, you have not even shown that from the link below. So, again, playing your game, the link below actually shows that Norwegians happiness is high despite the atheism. I need not reference anything from the thread to support that, per you. http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/Here are the exact words from this one link again that demonstrate, without a shadow of a doubt, that this link and the study therein have concluded Norwegians and happy and socially cohesive.....more so than most all other nations. There are a number of reasons, including social cohesion and a social safety net and personal freedoms to believe what they like. Cut and paste directly from the link you have been obsessing over. "So who’s the happiest? As has been the case the past five years, that distinction goes to countries that enjoy peace, freedom, good healthcare, quality education, a functioning political system and plenty of opportunity: Norway, Sweden, Canada and New Zealand. Legatum scores the world’s countries on entrepreneurship, personal freedom, health, economy, social capital, education, safety & security, and governance. "Norway has ranked first on Legatum’s list in each of the past five years". a country with " a history of social cohesion" interesting that this was ALL you quote from that link on Norway. Kind of telling, I think. But putting that aside for now: So, we agree that, based on what you are posting, that first link you supplied does not support your contention that Norway's happiness is connected with atheism. You are lucky I answer you every time. I have been asking you questions for 9 pages that you wont answer. You are also a remarkable liar. You claim I just posted the wordsfrom that link when I have done so many times. I posted the entire article about Legatum in from another source. I posed links on scientists who are atheists, links on low numbers of atheists in prison, links on countries such as New Zealand, Switzerland, Denmark, the Netherlands, Germany. Links on low crime in nations with low belief. Links on happiness in multiple nations with no belief. |
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Russia seems to violate Ukraine's borders on a regular basis with such vehicles. This time Ukraine shelled them.
What will happen next? What will be the consequences of this? By the way, were the vehicles empty and parked on the side of the road, or were they driving into Ukraine and Ukraine attacked and killed Russian soldiers operating the vehicles? Because those are two totally different scenarios. |
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This is one of many links I supplied. Along with the other links that showed they aren't very religious...only about a tenth of the people go to church. the majority view religion as unimportant. Yet, there is no crime, they are safe, they have social cohesion, they are happy. How can a nation have a happy people who are safe and have high moral standards yet not care about religion? Why are so few atheists in prison in the US if you believe they have no moral compass?
Why are you so afraid to answer this?
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It is up to you if you ever want to talk like an adult and respond to my position with any reasoned logic or explanation of why you feel the way you do. That is up to you ......not me. I am not going to make the case of an idiot when I cant even see your case or what your mentally deranged mind is thinking. Only the mentally deranged person himself (you) can tell me what you think you see in that link that disproves my entire case.
Ready go!
You spend 13 pages asking me over and over about one link, that alone makes no case other than Norwegians are happy and socially cohesive. Good grief, as noted in the other thread, you have not even shown that from the link below. So, again, playing your game, the link below actually shows that Norwegians happiness is high despite the atheism. I need not reference anything from the thread to support that, per you. http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/Here are the exact words from this one link again that demonstrate, without a shadow of a doubt, that this link and the study therein have concluded Norwegians and happy and socially cohesive.....more so than most all other nations. There are a number of reasons, including social cohesion and a social safety net and personal freedoms to believe what they like. Cut and paste directly from the link you have been obsessing over. "So who’s the happiest? As has been the case the past five years, that distinction goes to countries that enjoy peace, freedom, good healthcare, quality education, a functioning political system and plenty of opportunity: Norway, Sweden, Canada and New Zealand. Legatum scores the world’s countries on entrepreneurship, personal freedom, health, economy, social capital, education, safety & security, and governance. "Norway has ranked first on Legatum’s list in each of the past five years". a country with " a history of social cohesion" |
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I just can't imagine waking up one day and forgetting who my wife is or my mother is or what my name is.But is scares the absolute fuck out of me.
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I have a very deep-seated fear of forgetting my memories. The idea of getting Alzheimer's disease scares the shit out of me. I have this fear because it has occurred in my family in the last two generations.
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It is up to you if you ever want to talk like an adult and respond to my position with any reasoned logic or explanation of why you feel the way you do. That is up to you ......not me. I am not going to make the case of an idiot when I cant even see your case or what your mentally deranged mind is thinking. Only the mentally deranged person himself (you) can tell me what you think you see in that link that disproves my entire case.
Ready go!
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what about rhodium? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...ince-2009.htmlsince that last bloomberg clip 2 weeks ago rhodium has surged another $200 an ounce to ¢1450 now beating gold per ounce with the 5 month miner strike and surge in car sales, I expect some days of $50 per ounce leaps and possible peaking at $1600 to $1700 in a week or two before a mid term lull. (s. african rhodium miners on strike, and car sales many with catalytic converters using rhodium) with its volatility I may cash in my hoard and make a quick $10k then wait to buy several 5 oz bars if the prices dip back at $1300 or even $1200, probably won't though the forecast is for growth through to 2017 a kilo of gold should soon be got for under $40k soon, and if it dips much lower, it might be worth a punt, with low spreads of 2% |
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Why cant you just be happy believing what you do? Why must you lie about other people in order to feel better about yourself? It goes without saying that you are a pathetic human being. If god wants lying assholes like you in heaven, all the more reason for me to not want anything to do with that shit.
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08...human-shields/Israel says Hamas manual explains usage of human shields Israel’s military says it has found a Hamas manual explaining how the militant group uses human shields to their advantage amid the ongoing conflict in Gaza. The “Urban Warfare” manual, belonging to Hamas' armed wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades, says that the group knows that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is trying to limit civilian casualties. “The soldiers and commanders (of the IDF) must limit their use of weapons and tactics that lead to the harm and unnecessary loss of people and [destruction of] civilian facilities,” the manual says, according to a blog post on the IDF’s website. “It is difficult for them to get the most use out of their firearms, especially of supporting fire [e.g. artillery].” Israel has repeatedly accused Hamas of launching rockets at Israel out of schools, homes and religious sites. The locations puts Gazans in danger as Israel tries to destroy the rocket launchers. The manual adds that “presence of civilians are pockets of resistance” for Israeli troops, as they will have difficulty opening fire in their vicinity, as well as controlling them during operations and supplying medical care to civilians in need. Hamas also states that homes and Gaza civilian facilities destroyed by Israeli airstrikes are beneficial to the group, according to the IDF. “The destruction of civilian homes: This increases the hatred of the citizens toward the attackers [the IDF] and increases their gathering [support] around the city defenders (resistance forces [i.e. Hamas]).” And of course anything the IDF claims must be true Like I said in another thread, I am actually secular. I am saying it's only logical to conclude this is what the Orthodox belief is according to religious interpretations. It makes no sense to cheapen the miracles in religion by saying everything is spiritual and what G-d promises will not actually happen physically. |
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This one link on happiness and quality of life in one country apparently disproves data on crime and prison and atheism throughout the world. Tomas, in his delusional mind, believes he has read this in the link on Norway's happiness. I cant wait to hear zolace' defense of this position. Oh wait....that's not his style....to actually defend anything he ever says with evidence.....why would he do so now? He will come back and do what he has done from the beginning....say nothing about anything and simply keep repeating what he hopes to be true in the face of zero evidence. Yes, how does it? Well, I would have to post some excerpts from it to try and demonstrate that. The VERY thing I have been trying to get you to do with this link. http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/ Yet you keep making excuses for not doing so. So, now you get upset because I play your game here? Ah the irony. ...why are you so dishonest? Doesn't your god disapprove of dishonesty? You know the link about a single study of Norway's happiness in no way disproves any of the other links. Norwegian people's happiness is not related to the fact almost no atheists are in American prisons. You know Norwegian happiness does not disprove low crime in other nonreligious places. You also know there is nothing in that link or any other link that says Norwegians would be happier if they were more religious. They used to be more religious and they werent happier. If anything to that effect was in that link or anywhere else would have posted it by now. |
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08...human-shields/Israel says Hamas manual explains usage of human shields Israel’s military says it has found a Hamas manual explaining how the militant group uses human shields to their advantage amid the ongoing conflict in Gaza. The “Urban Warfare” manual, belonging to Hamas' armed wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades, says that the group knows that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is trying to limit civilian casualties. “The soldiers and commanders (of the IDF) must limit their use of weapons and tactics that lead to the harm and unnecessary loss of people and [destruction of] civilian facilities,” the manual says, according to a blog post on the IDF’s website. “It is difficult for them to get the most use out of their firearms, especially of supporting fire [e.g. artillery].” Israel has repeatedly accused Hamas of launching rockets at Israel out of schools, homes and religious sites. The locations puts Gazans in danger as Israel tries to destroy the rocket launchers. The manual adds that “presence of civilians are pockets of resistance” for Israeli troops, as they will have difficulty opening fire in their vicinity, as well as controlling them during operations and supplying medical care to civilians in need. Hamas also states that homes and Gaza civilian facilities destroyed by Israeli airstrikes are beneficial to the group, according to the IDF. “The destruction of civilian homes: This increases the hatred of the citizens toward the attackers [the IDF] and increases their gathering [support] around the city defenders (resistance forces [i.e. Hamas]).”
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This one link on happiness and quality of life in one country apparently disproves data on crime and prison and atheism throughout the world. Tomas, in his delusional mind, believes he has read this in the link on Norway's happiness. I cant wait to hear zolace' defense of this position. Oh wait....that's not his style....to actually defend anything he ever says with evidence.....why would he do so now? He will come back and do what he has done from the beginning....say nothing about anything and simply keep repeating what he hopes to be true in the face of zero evidence. |
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He now claims the one link on happiness in Norway says that Norwegians would be happier if they were religious (there is nothing whatsoever in the link that says anything remotely similar to this). He claims this one study on happiness in Norway disproves all my other links......i.e., the link on the happiness of Norway somehow disproves low crime statistics of other non-religious nations, it disproves the fact almost no atheists are in American prisons and are under -represented in prison by two orders of magnitude.
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How does the link on Norways happiness refute the fact there are almost no atheists in American prisons? How does that link refute the fact the nonreligious nations have low crime? You cant refute my claims, which are supported by all my links. Atheists dont commit crime, places where atheists live are safe, and atheists are happy. These are all facts supported by the studies I posted. You made claims you have not supported.... you could do something you have never once attempted to do......support them. |
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