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I fully considered context........ and rejected it. Killing a child because their parents happen to believe in another god is murder in every context imaginable.
Recall that I addressed content directly...I said THERE IS NO FUCKING CONTEXT WHATSOEVER that EVER...as in ....EVER...make the killing of a person for their belief acceptable. It is murder. It will always be murder. Not everything is absolute...but this is. You can bend over backwards looking for context that makes it ok....but it doesnt exist.
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A person cannot get any more illogical than that.
If this is indeed an act of the Creator, and since the Creator is the source of all Goodness - it cannot be evil.
We cannot be more righteous than our Creator. So, if anything, the problem is with us.
Nothing more arrogant than us judging our Creator. But, we all do it. Part of our fallen nature.
Thats all fine and well but tell that to the guy who commanded Moses to tell others to kill men, women and children who happened to be born in a place where they worship other gods. Your brainwashing tells you god is good, so you rationalize the shit out of the old testament. I am not brainwashed and can see the OT as the fire and brimstone murdering angry god that is clearly written. it is one thing if you were simply disagreeing - but, your thinking is twisted, given how illogical your answer was. If the Bible is true, the problem is us. Had you said that therefore because you cannot accept the implications of the Bible being true, it is then false, you at least would not have been illogical, right or wrong as you then may be. But, you are a typical example of Romans chapter 1. Note that you refused to consider context, and you also refused to have your position looked at closely also. My logic is fully intact. When you abandon logic to put your faith in the "truth" of a fairy tale, then logic is cast out the door. If the bible is true....god ordered innocent women and children to be put to death. If the bible is not true.christians just think he ordered women and children be put to death.....both bad options. |
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A person cannot get any more illogical than that.
If this is indeed an act of the Creator, and since the Creator is the source of all Goodness - it cannot be evil.
We cannot be more righteous than our Creator. So, if anything, the problem is with us.
Nothing more arrogant than us judging our Creator. But, we all do it. Part of our fallen nature.
Thats all fine and well but tell that to the guy who commanded Moses to tell others to kill men, women and children who happened to be born in a place where they worship other gods. Your brainwashing tells you god is good, so you rationalize the shit out of the old testament. I am not brainwashed and can see the OT as the fire and brimstone murdering angry god that is clearly written. |
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All in all, I find most situations there to be too complex to easily discuss like this. There are so many conditions that have to be made with any statement to make it consistent.
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Much of said "support" has nothing to do with theological beliefs, but practical concerns of sectarian violence and concerns of political marginalization.
I agree it has always been about political manoeuvring and rivalries. they all see IS as a threat because IS wants to destroy all national borders between them. if the IS caliphate existed the way they want it.. there would be no Syria, No Iraq, No Iraqi kurdistan, no Jordan, no Lebanon, no Palestine and no Isreal. that is why it was called the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) originally. the Levant + Iraq is the fertile crescent which takes in all of those countries. It's true. Shias and Sunnis have been fighting in Iraq for over a decade and Sunnis feel marginalized.But at the same time, it's like making a deal with the devil.I wish Iraq's Sunnis had a better way to help their people rather than rely on those ISIS monsters. That's where a more inclusive government other than Maliki's administration comes into play, and why mover said that Maliki was part of the problem. So Saddam gets overthrown, and the continuation is oppression to some extent of the Sunnis and Kurds. That was the Bush unintended legacy, and I don't know whether Obama wasn't able, or wasn't particularly interested in waking Maliki up. I find the situation to be very similar in Israel/Gaza. People don't think of the consequences. I dislike Hamas, and there are elements that are idiotic. But they exist because of a need...a vacuum that existed. If Israel were successful in eliminating Hamas, people seem to think things would be great and unicorns would shit rainbows. The truth is that something more similar to ISIS would likely emerge. The political side of Hamas is pretty similar to Likud. The various militant groups are the bigger problem. The former can be negotiated with if a way could be found to make it look like they got at least a bit of a win. |
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My brother just informed me about all the charity work Robin provided for the military. He said that Robin once visited his battalion in Bagram, Afghanistan...and how he spent so much of his time one on one with many of the troops...pictures and stories and well wishes. Wow...quite a guy.
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So sorry to hear this, he has brought so many fond memories. I cannot accept he committed suicide, it could be drug overdose but I doubt he would ever give up even in this life. Hard to say what my favorite Robin Williams role was. Probably Mrs. Doubtfire. What a huge loss.....
I'd say those early days of Mork and Mindy. But that was a good movie. Patch Adams was good too.My favorite bit by Robin is when he explains how the game of Golf was conceived/developed. It's absolutely "wet your pants funny." |
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If you vote Libertarian then you're throwing away your vote. In other words, if you vote Libertarian then you don't care about the election results.
Voting isn't about choosing the perfect candidate. Its about doing everything you can to help your country. In this country the GOP is the only decent option.
Republican Californian lecturing people about throwing away vote for President. That's rich. Asked whether he would prefer to run a candidate against Cruz or Texas Gov. Rick Perry, Pfeiffer laughed, “That’s like, would you rather have ice cream or cake.” pretty sad but true. CA, IL, NY, MASS, etc. When you have the brainwashed or those dependent on government handouts in big cities like LA, Chicago, NYC, etc I feel sorry for the people in the rest of the state. Their votes mean nothing. |
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It really doesnt matter if they are true or not....the only thing I am commenting on is that either a) if god exists and the bible is correct, then he is a murderer, or b) if god doesnt exist and the stories in the bible are manmade.....then the fictional God character is a murderer in the OT.
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Item A: It has always been murder in any context to put someone to death for a belief. People may have thought they were correct to do it at the time but their stupidity is irrelevant to the fact it was still murder. I need not demonstrate this fact to any other human alive. I think we all agree that killing someone for a harmless fairy tale belief they were likely born into is murder....but you. Its like this...your beliefs are all wrong , but that is no good reason for me to justify killing you, right? That would be murder, correct? Its the same thing.
Item B: Noah is a fairy tale, but if God did something like it such as breaking the Bosporus peninsula 8000 years ago and flooding the Med valley (which happened and could be the folk lure responsible for this fairy tale), then he murdered people ....and surely not all of them were bad.
Noah is a fairy tale you say - are you saying that what Israel did when it destroyed the nations after crossing the Jordon is not a fairy tale? It has always been murder in any context to put someone to death for a belief.
You are saying it has always been murder, even when folks thought they were correct to do so. You are then saying that there is a moral principle that transcends the human race, that the human race is subject to? I am saying that putting someone to death for a harmless belief should certainly always be considered murder. And your objection to discussing Noah and the flood is that he is a fairy tale you say - are you saying that what Israel did when it destroyed the nations after crossing the Jordon is not a fairy tale, since you did not object to discussing that? How hard is it for you to understand that I feel the bible is a book of folk lure..with perhaps some vague truths and other long forgotten lure and some just plain fairy tales. I really dont give a shit about parsing which is which in the entire book. It is most likely that none of it is pure historical truth. We cant even agree on how things happened last year when we have it on video, so the odds of a 2000 year old book translated in dozens of languages being "truth" is pretty much zero. So, not answering the question regarding what God did during the flood in Noah's time because it is a 'fable' is just a dodge. Thought so. I am saying that if that shit in the bible actually were true...then your god is a murderer. Can you fit that simple sentence into your brain? Noahs flood, the Israelites, anything you can come up with......the stories in the bible are not reality. But that aside....if the bible stories were true...then the christian god was clearly a big-time murderer in the OT days. |
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Well let's be fair though: against the background of the current GOP, having any message other than 'fuck Obama' will make a person pop.
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Item A: It has always been murder in any context to put someone to death for a belief. People may have thought they were correct to do it at the time but their stupidity is irrelevant to the fact it was still murder. I need not demonstrate this fact to any other human alive. I think we all agree that killing someone for a harmless fairy tale belief they were likely born into is murder....but you. Its like this...your beliefs are all wrong , but that is no good reason for me to justify killing you, right? That would be murder, correct? Its the same thing.
Item B: Noah is a fairy tale, but if God did something like it such as breaking the Bosporus peninsula 8000 years ago and flooding the Med valley (which happened and could be the folk lure responsible for this fairy tale), then he murdered people ....and surely not all of them were bad.
Noah is a fairy tale you say - are you saying that what Israel did when it destroyed the nations after crossing the Jordon is not a fairy tale? It has always been murder in any context to put someone to death for a belief.
You are saying it has always been murder, even when folks thought they were correct to do so. You are then saying that there is a moral principle that transcends the human race, that the human race is subject to? I am saying that putting someone to death for a harmless belief should certainly always be considered murder. And your objection to discussing Noah and the flood is that he is a fairy tale you say - are you saying that what Israel did when it destroyed the nations after crossing the Jordon is not a fairy tale, since you did not object to discussing that? How hard is it for you to understand that I feel the bible is a book of folk lure..with perhaps some vague truths and other long forgotten lure and some just plain fairy tales. I really dont give a shit about parsing which is which in the entire book. It is most likely that none of it is pure historical truth. We cant even agree on how things happened last year when we have it on video, so the odds of a 2000 year old book translated in dozens of languages being "truth" is pretty much zero. |
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I was thinking of making a coin and back it by land own and what is gown on it, I mean like valuable items the value of the coin will get better as the more product is backing it.
You're talking about asset/profit sharing, which is a legal minefield. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but this would be difficult for a single person to implement. yeah something like that I have lots of land and was thinking growing some valuable product, dont wanna say what it is cause is my idea, but I will invest my money into these crops then I was going to release the coin and have it backed by it, worth will start small because of the value will go by years and how popular the coin gets of course. I will keep growing more crops and more since I have acres of land. It could work if you have a company or registered market, pictures and website for it as well. Also list of the product you are growing and nothing illegal of course |
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Now the proof is complete. Atheists commit less crime...fact. Countries with the most atheists have the highest quality of life indices....fact. Dictatorships are almost always bad and have absolutely nothing to do with atheism....fact.
Now zolace run along and go start another thread about something equally as retarded as this one.
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Look ....with your indoctrinated mush of a brain, you are ALWAYS going to believe atheism is bad. That's fine. But when you dishonestly try to associate it with anything else bad you will be made a fool.......as always. Atheism in and of itself does not result in bad behavior. The evidence is clear. The lowest crime rate of any nation on earth happens in a country with the most atheists. Only 18% of people in Sweden believe there is a god. This must clearly be a hellhole of a lawless nation ....no??? They have the lowest incarceration rate in the world and have the lowest assault rate in the world, five times lower than the US, a nation of good Christian believers.
Which, by the way - your disgreement is with the article itself - and your means of doing so is by disagreeing with their definition. Nevertheless, every state that they list that has promoted atheism - none of them are anything to write home to Ma about. Atheism is a confounding variable. The dependent variable is the dictatorship. Atheism flowed from that, not the other way around. The dictator merely wanted himself to the center of worship; hence, it is the dictator that is evil...not atheism. This is called a spurious relationship. Since you have never googled the word despite my many requests, it is a correlation that is not supported by causation. In other words, atheist nations are correlated with bad behavior. Is it the atheism that caused it? Since the only nations that have ever been atheist are dictatorships, and ALL dictatorships are bad......we CANNOT conclude that atheism had ANYTHING to do with it....especially since other nations full of atheists have no such human rights issues. Spurious relationship. Apparently that article in the OP makes you uncomfortable. You keep mixing up states that promote atheism with states that are secular. So, lets ask this: 1.Do you think all dictators are evil? 2.Would you consider kings/queens types of dictators in any way? 3.Does atheism offer hope to people in any way? The op doesn't make me uncomfortable at all. You are just wrong. There IS A solid argument that people who are atheists are better people. Im not making that argument but the data from nations with majority atheists suggests its true. Im not uncomfortable with anything you say. Im just telling you that you are wrong. I'm not debating with you. Im telling you. You on the other hand are also not debating...you are demonstrating your stupidity. It does not make you uncomfortable? Yet, the below questions were not answered. Lets try again: 1.Do you think all dictators are evil? 2.Would you consider kings/queens types of dictators in any way? 3.Does atheism offer hope to people in any way? 1. Most 2. Some 3. Yes you though you had a point. I have already proven beyond any doubt that atheism in an of itself does not lead to bad behavior. Go to a prison .....interview the violent offenders. Take a guess at how many are Christian and how many are atheist. http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/why-atheists-make-85-percent-americas-scientists-and-07-percent-its-prisonAtheists make up 0.07 percent of the prison population....yet they make up 10% of the general population. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism#North_AmericaThat is statistically significant and any researcher would conclude that atheists are statistically less likely to be arrested for a crime and imprisoned. |
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Robin Williams, RIP. There are few things in life more important than a good laugh every once and a while and Williams provided many.
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Item A: It has always been murder in any context to put someone to death for a belief. People may have thought they were correct to do it at the time but their stupidity is irrelevant to the fact it was still murder. I need not demonstrate this fact to any other human alive. I think we all agree that killing someone for a harmless fairy tale belief they were likely born into is murder....but you. Its like this...your beliefs are all wrong , but that is no good reason for me to justify killing you, right? That would be murder, correct? Its the same thing.
Item B: Noah is a fairy tale, but if God did something like it such as breaking the Bosporus peninsula 8000 years ago and flooding the Med valley (which happened and could be the folk lure responsible for this fairy tale), then he murdered people ....and surely not all of them were bad.
Noah is a fairy tale you say - are you saying that what Israel did when it destroyed the nations after crossing the Jordon is not a fairy tale? It has always been murder in any context to put someone to death for a belief.
You are saying it has always been murder, even when folks thought they were correct to do so. You are then saying that there is a moral principle that transcends the human race, that the human race is subject to? I am saying that putting someone to death for a harmless belief should certainly always be considered murder. |
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Item A: It has always been murder in any context to put someone to death for a belief. People may have thought they were correct to do it at the time but their stupidity is irrelevant to the fact it was still murder. I need not demonstrate this fact to any other human alive. I think we all agree that killing someone for a harmless fairy tale belief they were likely born into is murder....but you. Its like this...your beliefs are all wrong , but that is no good reason for me to justify killing you, right? That would be murder, correct? Its the same thing.
Item B: Noah is a fairy tale, but if God did something like it such as breaking the Bosporus peninsula 8000 years ago and flooding the Med valley (which happened and could be the folk lure responsible for this fairy tale), then he murdered people ....and surely not all of them were bad.
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Look ....with your indoctrinated mush of a brain, you are ALWAYS going to believe atheism is bad. That's fine. But when you dishonestly try to associate it with anything else bad you will be made a fool.......as always. Atheism in and of itself does not result in bad behavior. The evidence is clear. The lowest crime rate of any nation on earth happens in a country with the most atheists. Only 18% of people in Sweden believe there is a god. This must clearly be a hellhole of a lawless nation ....no??? They have the lowest incarceration rate in the world and have the lowest assault rate in the world, five times lower than the US, a nation of good Christian believers.
Which, by the way - your disgreement is with the article itself - and your means of doing so is by disagreeing with their definition. Nevertheless, every state that they list that has promoted atheism - none of them are anything to write home to Ma about. Atheism is a confounding variable. The dependent variable is the dictatorship. Atheism flowed from that, not the other way around. The dictator merely wanted himself to the center of worship; hence, it is the dictator that is evil...not atheism. This is called a spurious relationship. Since you have never googled the word despite my many requests, it is a correlation that is not supported by causation. In other words, atheist nations are correlated with bad behavior. Is it the atheism that caused it? Since the only nations that have ever been atheist are dictatorships, and ALL dictatorships are bad......we CANNOT conclude that atheism had ANYTHING to do with it....especially since other nations full of atheists have no such human rights issues. Spurious relationship. Apparently that article in the OP makes you uncomfortable. You keep mixing up states that promote atheism with states that are secular. So, lets ask this: 1.Do you think all dictators are evil? 2.Would you consider kings/queens types of dictators in any way? 3.Does atheism offer hope to people in any way? The op doesn't make me uncomfortable at all. You are just wrong. There IS A solid argument that people who are atheists are better people. Im not making that argument but the data from nations with majority atheists suggests its true. Im not uncomfortable with anything you say. Im just telling you that you are wrong. I'm not debating with you. Im telling you. You on the other hand are also not debating...you are demonstrating your stupidity. |
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Look ....with your indoctrinated mush of a brain, you are ALWAYS going to believe atheism is bad. That's fine. But when you dishonestly try to associate it with anything else bad you will be made a fool.......as always. Atheism in and of itself does not result in bad behavior. The evidence is clear. The lowest crime rate of any nation on earth happens in a country with the most atheists. Only 18% of people in Sweden believe there is a god. This must clearly be a hellhole of a lawless nation ....no??? They have the lowest incarceration rate in the world and have the lowest assault rate in the world, five times lower than the US, a nation of good Christian believers.
Which, by the way - your disgreement is with the article itself - and your means of doing so is by disagreeing with their definition. Nevertheless, every state that they list that has promoted atheism - none of them are anything to write home to Ma about. Atheism is a confounding variable. The dependent variable is the dictatorship. Atheism flowed from that, not the other way around. The dictator merely wanted himself to the center of worship; hence, it is the dictator that is evil...not atheism. This is called a spurious relationship. Since you have never googled the word despite my many requests, it is a correlation that is not supported by causation. In other words, atheist nations are correlated with bad behavior. Is it the atheism that caused it? Since the only nations that have ever been atheist are dictatorships, and ALL dictatorships are bad......we CANNOT conclude that atheism had ANYTHING to do with it....especially since other nations full of atheists have no such human rights issues. Spurious relationship. |
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