At Berkeley, Karasek said she remained worried that such ambiguity could be used to further hurt survivors and that requiring verbal consent would make it easier to “avoid the ‘he said, she said’ that college administrators try to make rape cases out to be.”
An estimated one in five women is sexually assaulted during college. Emma Sulkowicz says she was raped in her own bed. Photograph: Kristina Budelis for Guardian US Opinion We’ve come a long way in the last four decades on sexual assault, but this necessary shift to “yes means yes” will not be an easy one. (Let’s also not forget that it was just four years ago when male students from Yale University were caught on tape chanting “No means yes, yes means anal.”)
The feminist movement of the 70s shined a light on “date rape” – the most common kind of sexual assault that once went ignored is now widely-understood to be a pervasive problem. Twenty-one years ago, marital rape was still legal in some states, but now legislation decries the idea that marriage equals constant consent. Today, politicians and activists alike increasingly recognize that everything we did before is simply not enough: despite these shifts in policy and public perception, rape is still far too common – approximately one out of every five women is sexually assaulted in college.
And that’s just what’s reported, according to the White House. That’s just in America. That’s just in college.
When I spoke to Sulkowicz about her unofficial senior project – she calls it Mattress Performance: Carry That Weight – the brave 21-year-old said something I think most people who care about the issue of violence against women can relate to. “It’s going to be an endurance piece,” she said. In some ways, battling rape always has been.

so they are making a science out of saying yes or no to sex.

Au contraire. There is no fun in forced sex. All that crying, screaming and physical restraints. I just pay cash to get laid. Female escorts bring no emotional baggage to the table, or bed as the case may be; I don't have to listen to their problems, they listen to mine; and best of all, they can give most porn stars a run for their money in the sack. And all I have to do is give up a few hundred bucks. Not a bad investment, right?

Honestly, just about all of them understand what it's like to fear violation. I think this is really why so many go to such great lengths to excuse this sort of thing when it happens.

Rigon,You have three people in this thread alone who agree that the Lake of Fire exists.  Who agree that there are folks who will find there way there.

Who are discussing what exactly happens then at that point when they get there.

You disagreeing with us is fine - we are not in agreement about what happens at that point.  This thread was open to any views on the subect, not just what the bible say.

There is the view that regardless of how wicked one is in this life, they do not always reap what they sow.  That when Hitler dies, the end result is no different than when Mother Teresa dies.

All that shit and still you're just blaming the victim because it's easier than admitting you view pussy as an object that just happens to be attached to another human being.

You are, as an idiot, blaming the victim for not avoiding the aggressor. Rape isn't ok if the woman wears something other than a burka and is unescorted.

Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.

Ok, for someone reason I was under the impression that your position was that the punishment was instantaneous.

That they were instantly consumed when cast into the lake of fire.  How long they are there is dependent on their judgment?

But, often folks think of Protestant as one that is not RC.  That is common.  Of course, not technically true.  One can belong to the Orthodox churches, not Protestant or RC or Baptist, etc.

Sana8410,Actually, being raised a Roman Catholic, I am familiar enough with purgatory.

Unfortunately, I was not taught about the grace of Jesus, God's Son.  About Jesus, but, that he died to set me free, that never clicked.  I was moved by his death on the cross, but, was quite sometime before I came to realize He did that on behalf of me, to see me free.

But, if you want to use your own context, you will need to lay out what your context is.    Why is killing anyone, for example, evil?

So, till you wish to stop acting like some lawyer who is more interested in winning a case than in truth and integrity....

I'm not suggesting that should be enough to land a conviction. It shouldn't. The deck is already stacked against defendants as it is. I don't think making it easier to convict people would be a step in the right direction. I think first acknowledging that we live in a rape culture and then addressing that problem by creating an environment in which girls can talk about being victimized without everyone immediately assuming they're lying would be a better direction.

Without hard evidence, there won't be a conviction. There almost always needs to be documented signs of forced penetration. Girls need to go to a hospital immediately after being raped to get their injuries documented. Most don't do this because they're scared, embarrassed, blaming themselves, etc. The overwhelming majority of rape victims are raped by guys who are close to them, which is why rape victims tend to blame themselves, assuming they must have given their friend a mixed signal or some such. By the time they realize it wasn't just some innocent mistake or anything like that, that they were assaulted and raped, it's too late to get the ball rolling. They'll have to deal with responding to why they waited so long to report it, why they didn't go to a hospital, why they may have called or seen their rapist the next day, etc. Ultimately, they're not going to satisfy the "beyond reasonable doubt" standard of proof.

Every time this topic comes up I find myself wondering how these things end up in university "justice" systems instead of in courts of law, which is where we would normally deal with things like accusations of rape, murder, physical assault, etc.