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1701  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is it a bad decision to payoff mortgage early on: August 13, 2014, 05:51:11 PM
or rent it out and buy another house. I have a few friends who started doing that, and have since quit their jobs and do that as their sole source of income.
1702  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is it a bad decision to payoff mortgage early on: August 13, 2014, 05:41:46 PM
just checked interest rate. 15y 0-point fixed mortgage rate is still at 3.4%, i thought it's risen to pretty close to where my rate was. now i feel better.
buy a more expensive house now. lol
but in general, if you're not investing your money and earning more than your mortgage rate, and factoring tax deduction savings.....then pay it off.
1703  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does God judge the nations? on: August 13, 2014, 05:31:02 PM
rigon, we all already know that alot of what drives you in your arguements on many subjects is your hostility to the God of the Bible.  sana also.  When it leads to distortions, however, it is a serious problem.
Is it murder, when a human being destroys a family of chimps?
What makes someone innocent?  Declaring babies innocent (true or not) does not answer the question.
Does this mean that the allies, bombing Germany, were murderers? When the state uses the DP, is that always murder?
Just because you dont like my answer does not mean I didnt answer to your questions.   killing people who are innocent of any wrongdoing is murder.   god has killed innocent people.
1704  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 05:20:11 PM
LOL  I already posted dozens of reasons why they are happy.  No hesitation.  An eglaitarian society desired after WWII was the secret.  Egalitarian - equality and equal rights for all peoples.   No religious bigotry apparantly.

again "freedom to choose the direction of their lives" came out of one of many of my links.   They apparantly chose (in majority) no religion....and yet they are among the happiest peoples on the planet.

Still cant explain that can you?
1705  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Top Obama Aide: Rand Paul Is ‘Most Intriguing’ Republican on: August 13, 2014, 05:16:16 PM
You can't do what he did, in proposing to cut all aid, then say you never proposed cutting aid. You also can't say that you want to end all aid, then vote "aye" to funding the Iron Dome. Yeah nuance is great, but he really can't claim to have always held the position he holds.
1706  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Top Obama Aide: Rand Paul Is ‘Most Intriguing’ Republican on: August 13, 2014, 04:53:54 PM
Views change and people kind of understand that, but his problem is and will be, his goals have changed and so has his target audience, and I don't think that Rand has been all that graceful in making his overtures look like anything more than posturing.

I'm not having luck pasting links on my phone for some reason, but this is an easy Google. He's being skewered for this from all sides.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ng-aid-israel/
1707  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Top Obama Aide: Rand Paul Is ‘Most Intriguing’ Republican on: August 13, 2014, 04:45:49 PM
They say he's the only candidate who has articulated a message that is potentially appealing to young Americans. Well, yeah. Articulate enough wildly - conflicting messages and you'll eventually get pretty much everyone covered.

I think we should stop providing aid to Israel.
I never said we should stop providing aid to Israel.

Bam. Everyone = happy.
Actually, from the little I've noticed, the comments were:

"I think we should stop aid everywhere because we can't afford it"

"Does that include Israel?"

"Sure"


Next interview:

"So do you want to target Israel for cutting aid?"


"No, I want to cut aid everywhere."

"AHA...you flip flopped"


Such is the nature of reporting in the US.
I promise, he isn't nearly as consistent as your hypothetical quotes would suggest. He kind of can't be, since his no-aid-to-anyone position isn't what a a big piece of his base at the national level wants to hear.

He's not his dad.

And as we have seen and I'm sure will continue to see, he'll try to make a path for himself between his aid - ending proposals and his more recent support for supporting Israel, but to do it he will have to lean pretty hard on what amounts to a cowardly, unconvincing semantics bid.
1708  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Top Obama Aide: Rand Paul Is ‘Most Intriguing’ Republican on: August 13, 2014, 04:37:01 PM
It pisses me off that people think that young Americans are libertarians waiting to be discovered, as if being in favor of pot legalization equates directly with being anti-regulation. Young people are statistically fairly convinced that climate change is a problem worth fixing and they tend to approve of government solutions to poverty and income inequality.

Like paying lip service to a couple no-brainer social issues and non-interventionism will get an entire generation on board.

No, the white male "don't touch my stuff" toddler mentality voting bloc already has a party.
I think if you look at the platforms of actual libertarian candidates instead of seemingly going by your experience with libertarian and Randian idealists, you'll be hard pressed to find a candidate in favor of getting rid of all taxes, privatizing all roads, getting rid of the standing army, scrapping welfare programs (incl. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc.), completely and 100% deregulating food and drugs (incl. antibiotics), removing all environmental regulations, etc.


To use a couple of otters as an example, there are a lot more Publiuses than there are rothbards out there.
First, I would argue that his following was in love with his personality as much as his politics. But you can be an honest, humble, hard-working little grandpa and probably attract voters no matter what your positions are.

Second, I would submit that "Ron Paul Republicanism" was a thought experiment for a lot of young people - and some older I'm sure - which ultimately just failed, like Ron's bid (well, bids) for the presidency. Which is to say, he didn't lose in the primary and fail to win by write-in because the establishment wouldn't let him play, he lost and failed because at the end of the day his ideas are just less attractive than those of just about any moderate left-leaning candidate, for a solid chunk of young voters.

And so that leaves libertarianism right where it belongs: on the fringe, to be embraced for whatever reason by the occasional intellectual, and to otherwise scoop up the trash (disenfranchised voters) the GOP leaves behind.
1709  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Top Obama Aide: Rand Paul Is ‘Most Intriguing’ Republican on: August 13, 2014, 04:23:45 PM
They say he's the only candidate who has articulated a message that is potentially appealing to young Americans. Well, yeah. Articulate enough wildly - conflicting messages and you'll eventually get pretty much everyone covered.

I think we should stop providing aid to Israel.
I never said we should stop providing aid to Israel.

Bam. Everyone = happy.
Well, I think you're forgetting, for example, that a good chunk of Ron Paul's 2008 supporters went on to vote for Obama. So yes, libertarianism among young people is largely about non-interventionism and no-brainer social issues. That's what young people care about.


But even with that aside, I still don't think this is a fair characterization of libertarianism in America. Most libertarians do in fact support government solutions. Just not to the extent that they become leftarded.
Well, see, I would look at the Paul-votes-going-to-Obama phenomenon and ask, why didn't those people actually go on to support Bob Barr? Well, my suspicion is that while the libertarian package includes attractive features for young people, ultimately they'll mostly end up voting center left when they can (nationally speaking) - the complete platform just makes more sense. Like, alright, Ron's foreign policy probably seemed worth voting for. But ending the Fed or the Department of Education, maybe not.

But I also think that there are two other really major elements to the Ron Paul phenomenon.
1710  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Top Obama Aide: Rand Paul Is ‘Most Intriguing’ Republican on: August 13, 2014, 04:19:25 PM
It pisses me off that people think that young Americans are libertarians waiting to be discovered, as if being in favor of pot legalization equates directly with being anti-regulation. Young people are statistically fairly convinced that climate change is a problem worth fixing and they tend to approve of government solutions to poverty and income inequality.

Like paying lip service to a couple no-brainer social issues and non-interventionism will get an entire generation on board.

No, the white male "don't touch my stuff" toddler mentality voting bloc already has a party.
1711  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Top Obama Aide: Rand Paul Is ‘Most Intriguing’ Republican on: August 13, 2014, 04:10:56 PM
They say he's the only candidate who has articulated a message that is potentially appealing to young Americans. Well, yeah. Articulate enough wildly - conflicting messages and you'll eventually get pretty much everyone covered.

I think we should stop providing aid to Israel.
I never said we should stop providing aid to Israel.

Bam. Everyone = happy.
1712  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does God judge the nations? on: August 13, 2014, 03:46:12 PM
So, that is your excuse for refusing to define what you see as the parameters regarding murder?  Yet, no one is to question you when you proclaim an act is murder?  LOL.

You are not interested in discussion, but just expressing your anger.  I mention about God knowing our hearts - and it is true.  But, really, takes no revelation to see through yours.
We have discussed this seriously. It is you who keeps dragging this on & on & on & on because you have been proved wrong and you can't handle it.
An innocent person - well, that of course begets the question of what makes someone innocent?

What does?  And does this mean that the allies, bombing Germany, were murderers?   When the state uses the DP, is that always murder?

On another note, you still did not answer the post about the chimps.
God is also a chimp killer.

Face it , your god is a vindictive murdering son of bitch who will send you to a burning eternal torch of suffering if you skip one sunday of kneeling before him.
1713  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does God judge the nations? on: August 13, 2014, 03:28:44 PM
So, that is your excuse for refusing to define what you see as the parameters regarding murder?  Yet, no one is to question you when you proclaim an act is murder?  LOL.

You are not interested in discussion, but just expressing your anger.  I mention about God knowing our hearts - and it is true.  But, really, takes no revelation to see through yours.
No one has refused to define murder.  Its very easy.  Putting to death an innocent person is murder.  God murdered many times.  Perhaps it would be easier if we simply used the term "killer" since it is not a legal definition.  God killed many times.  He killed babies simply for being born at the wrong time.  I guess he continues to kill every day since he pulls all the strings right?
1714  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 03:21:25 PM
Do please answer the above - I think I know why you may be hesitating to do so.


But, while on the subject, happen to come across another article where a different nation is ranked #1 - and the ones that follow are also in South America. Happiness is probably hard to quantify.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/worlds-happiest-country-would-you-believe-paraguay-n110981

Paraguay is the happiest country in the world, with 87 percent of residents scoring high on an index of positive emotions, according to the latest Gallup poll on well-being.

Not surprisingly, Syria, suffering through a civil war, is the unhappiest and people there are so badly off they’ve hit a new low, the survey finds.

The ten happiest countries in the world and why were not one of them

http://www.planetizen.com/node/65088
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110125110022AAUPy6Q

Norway tops the list
What's the most prosperous country in the world? Norway. What's it got that the rest of the world doesn't? The biggest bump comes from having the world's highest per capita GDP of $53,000 a year. Norwegians have the second-highest level of satisfaction with their standards of living: 95 percent say they are satisfied with the freedom to choose the direction of their lives; an unparalleled 74 percent say other people can be trusted.

Cynics (particularly those leaving comments on Legatum's excellent website) say Norway's ranking is a fluke, that it's a boring, godless (just 13 percent go to church) homogeneous place to live with a massive welfare state bankrolled by high taxes. Without massive offshore reserves of oil and gas that it exports to the world through state-controlled Statoil, Norway's GDP would be far smaller.

And yet joining Norway in the top 10 prosperous countries are its Scandinavian sisters Denmark, Finland and Sweden, with equally small and civilized Switzerland and the Netherlands also in the club. None of these countries are blessed with great hoards of oil and gas.


Ok this is getting rather pathetic.

In the  link below that you posted supporting your premise:

 http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/


Again, what what did the article YOU posted note were factors in Norway achieving that rating?

Just paste it below, please.  BTW - you also might want to re-read the article you just posted also - but, if you need help there also, we can get to that as soon as we finish with your link above.

You are quite pathetic.  Apparantly you are unable to cut and paste anything yourself.  Must have lost all his fingers but the one that type stupid shit.  I just C&P a whole bunch of reasons in the previous post.  How pathetic are you?  Read it.  C&P whatever you like if you think you have a point .
1715  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 03:18:33 PM
What else? They are all borderline socialist states, with generous welfare benefits and lots of redistribution of wealth. Yet they don't let that socialism cross the line into autocracy. Civil liberties are abundant (consider decriminalized drugs and prostitution in the Netherlands). There are few restrictions on the flow of capital or of labor. Legatum's scholars point out that Denmark, for example, has little job protection, but generous unemployment benefits. So business owners can keep the right number of workers, while workers can have a safety net while they muck around looking for that fulfilling job.
1716  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 03:08:04 PM
So what gives? What do these prosperous European nations have in common that can somehow explain their prosperity? Being an electoral democracy is almost a given — of the top 25 most prosperous countries, only Singapore and Hong Kong aren't.

Being small helps too. Big countries have so many disparate groups (ethnic, geographic, civic) vying against each other that it's hard for true social cohesion and trust to emerge, and harder to maintain high levels of safety. Among countries with populations of more than 150 million, the United States ranks highest, at No. 10.
1717  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 03:02:56 PM
Do please answer the above - I think I know why you may be hesitating to do so.


But, while on the subject, happen to come across another article where a different nation is ranked #1 - and the ones that follow are also in South America. Happiness is probably hard to quantify.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/worlds-happiest-country-would-you-believe-paraguay-n110981

Paraguay is the happiest country in the world, with 87 percent of residents scoring high on an index of positive emotions, according to the latest Gallup poll on well-being.

Not surprisingly, Syria, suffering through a civil war, is the unhappiest and people there are so badly off they’ve hit a new low, the survey finds.

The ten happiest countries in the world and why were not one of them

http://www.planetizen.com/node/65088
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110125110022AAUPy6Q

Norway tops the list
What's the most prosperous country in the world? Norway. What's it got that the rest of the world doesn't? The biggest bump comes from having the world's highest per capita GDP of $53,000 a year. Norwegians have the second-highest level of satisfaction with their standards of living: 95 percent say they are satisfied with the freedom to choose the direction of their lives; an unparalleled 74 percent say other people can be trusted.

Cynics (particularly those leaving comments on Legatum's excellent website) say Norway's ranking is a fluke, that it's a boring, godless (just 13 percent go to church) homogeneous place to live with a massive welfare state bankrolled by high taxes. Without massive offshore reserves of oil and gas that it exports to the world through state-controlled Statoil, Norway's GDP would be far smaller.

And yet joining Norway in the top 10 prosperous countries are its Scandinavian sisters Denmark, Finland and Sweden, with equally small and civilized Switzerland and the Netherlands also in the club. None of these countries are blessed with great hoards of oil and gas.
1718  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does God judge the nations? on: August 13, 2014, 02:59:14 PM
You can answer this question (any of you) also, in seeking to define what murder is:If someone puts to death a family of chimpanzees - is it murder, or not?  Why?

You don't get to ask questions when you refuse to answer any put to you.  You are such a  waste of human flesh... you can't think for yourself. You can't even post your personal opinion of murder.
It is silly to accuse the Creator of murder - but even sillier when one does not even nail done a definition of murder, so we can then apply it.
the creator didnt murder noviapriani...he commanded to murder.  Killing someone who believes something else has always been murder.
1719  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does God judge the nations? on: August 13, 2014, 02:32:39 PM
Are you kidding? Give me two interns and a month and I can create a whole new religion with more pages than the bible.Except God in the Bible never gives instructions to murder anyone.  Again, what makes something murder?
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.


..............is trying to say is that putting your friend or wife to death for having a different belief was not murder in that time.  It was just God's orders.
1720  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 02:20:51 PM
Anyway, seeing no response, let me rephrase what got ignored:


1.Nothing in the link about atheists, let alone happy atheists.  I see no disagreement on that.

2.Norway is listed at the top of the list in the link as far as rated happiness.  No disagreement has been noted on that.

3.Having no religion is not the same as being an atheist - is that the claim?

4.rigon notes that Norway has a higher than average percentage of atheists.  Not sure if he is including non religious with atheists. 

5.Norway does not, as a State, promote atheism.  The OP makes claims about state promoted atheism.   


The unanswered question - what did the article note were factors in Norway achieving that rating?
norway has the highest percenage of atheists ANDS people with no religion and are extremelyt happy.  You have no argument with that.  Therefore,......what the fuck point do you think you ar emaking about atheism promoted by North Korea.  Just state is succintly and clearly.  WQhat is your point about N Korea and their abolishment of the people's religion???

Can you EVER fucking answer a question?
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