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I already did post it zolace many times. Lets put two and two together. ....freedom to choose, social cohesion. Read the article....freedom to choose and social cohesion are listed factors in Norway...as ONE example of the numerous countries I listed. These are factors that make them happy as the surveys indicate.
Other surveys indicate a clear majority of Norwegians have no religion or are atheist. A mere 13% ever go to church. I posted these facts in links as well.
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Now, if you think it still supports your position on Norway - copy and paste the part that does here. If you don't, you are admitting that this link does not support your position, and we can then move to the next claim you used.
I already did copy and paste the part that supports my position (the whole article does). I already demonstrated my point. Because your brainwashed mind doesn't agree is utterly and completely irrelevant. If you have a point to make about atheism, are you considering making it or not? No you did not - certainly not in this thread. Nothing there in that link to support that atheism has anything to do with the happiness found in Norway. But surely, if there is, C&P it here - of all people, you are hardly C&P shy. They have high levels of personal freedom and social capital. There is no negative connotation to having no religion. Whether or not atheism is responsible for their happiness is almost irrelevant. The fact remains that they are atheists and happy. You could attempt to argue why the information I showed you is not related to atheism instead of pretending I showed you nothing. But dishonesty is your forte. Copy and paste from that link you provided that shows support for your position connecting the happiness of Norwegians with atheism, or even lack of religion. Then you can elaborate on it - till then, your first link provided is a failure that you are trying to hide. I showed you that atheists are less likely to be criminals and the places with the most atheists have happy people and less crime. You showed me....nothing. Do you have a point about atheism that you wish to make? We are over 160 posts into this thread. One would think you would have made your point by now. |
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And BTW, there is nothing in any of your arguments that indicate atheism has anything to do with the poor conditions in N Korea or China or anyplace else. I have also demonstrated that is a spurious relationship....which begs the question ... what is your point in this thread?
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Now, if you think it still supports your position on Norway - copy and paste the part that does here. If you don't, you are admitting that this link does not support your position, and we can then move to the next claim you used.
I already did copy and paste the part that supports my position (the whole article does). I already demonstrated my point. Because your brainwashed mind doesn't agree is utterly and completely irrelevant. If you have a point to make about atheism, are you considering making it or not? No you did not - certainly not in this thread. Nothing there in that link to support that atheism has anything to do with the happiness found in Norway. But surely, if there is, C&P it here - of all people, you are hardly C&P shy. They have high levels of personal freedom and social capital. There is no negative connotation to having no religion. Whether or not atheism is responsible for their happiness is almost irrelevant. The fact remains that they are atheists and happy. You could attempt to argue why the information I showed you is not related to atheism instead of pretending I showed you nothing. But dishonesty is your forte. |
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Now, if you think it still supports your position on Norway - copy and paste the part that does here. If you don't, you are admitting that this link does not support your position, and we can then move to the next claim you used.
I already did copy and paste the part that supports my position (the whole article does). I already demonstrated my point. Because your brainwashed mind doesn't agree is utterly and completely irrelevant. If you have a point to make about atheism, are you considering making it or not? |
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The entire topic is drivel meant to imply something about atheism when it says absolutely nothing about it as I have demonstrated repeatedly. Maybe this is why you have gotten no comments whatsoever other than to tell you what a dumb you are. Don't you ever wonder why that is?
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So, as rigon has been unwilling to defend two of his sources (knowing as he does those sources failed to support his position), and given they were a tangent from the OP itself - state directed atheism, promotion of atheism by the state - then the conclusion that state promotion of atheism has never been a good thing stands.
To date, no one has been able to give an example of such a state that is worth embracing.
....because I demonstrated that atheism and an atheist state are two different things and you have is a spurious relationship in the term "atheist state" itself.....it implies the state was established because of atheism, when it is the other way around. Atheism was established because of a ruthless dictator who didn't want competition. The nation isn't a horrible place because of atheism, it is a horrible place because of the ruthless dictator. Spurious relationship. |
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The nations that are perennially happy with themselves and their government are filled with people with the least religion. I've post a variety of reasons for this from every single link I provided. Prosperity and freedoms are usually at the center.
I ask again....if you think you have a point......please make it.
So, your running away from that link you posted means you no longer have confidence that it supports your position. Got it. And your running away from what you C&P in your post - Ditto. No wonder you did not fare well in that liberal thread in the other forum. You really need to read your sources a bit more carefully. Who ran away from it? It supports my position. You and no one else can explain why socialist liberal nations with the least religion are so happy. You are still free to make a point if you have one. ready go. |
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The nations that are perennially happy with themselves and their government are filled with people with the least religion. I've post a variety of reasons for this from every single link I provided. Prosperity and freedoms are usually at the center.
I ask again....if you think you have a point......please make it.
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If you think have a point, make it. You do realize that Norway was not included in the survey above and both Sweden and Denmark finished higher than the US??? I repeat, if you think you have a point, chime in at any time.
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I posted the links and the factors many times . There is one study that says Paraguay is happy and 15 that say Norway and other Scandinavian countries are happiest.....Scandinavian countries ALWAYS rank very high on any scale of happiness, including the one that put Paraguay at the top. I repeat, I posted studies and factors considered many times already. |
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Legatum scores the world’s countries on entrepreneurship, personal freedom, health, economy, social capital, education, safety & security, and governance. http://media.prosperity.com/2013/pdf/publications/PI2013Brochure_WEB.pdfNorway ranks high in economy(#1), personal freedom (#2), and safety(#6) and social capital (#1). They are #1 in social capital. That is to say, community, family cohesiveness. I wonder how they rate so high as family cohevisiveness, community and safety seeing that they are the most likely people to have no religion at all? How could a nation full of people who just dont see religion as important be happy, into community and cohesiveness, safe, and enjoy personal freedom??? All without religion? How could that be? |
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or rent it out and buy another house. I have a few friends who started doing that, and have since quit their jobs and do that as their sole source of income.
how did they do during the recession? they cant hire someone or their relatives to do the property management? doesnt seem like a full time job all the time .seems to be a solid source of income especially when this country is getting more and more crowded . He did okay. I shouldn't have said it's his sole income, but it's definitely his primary income. I think he probably pulls three shifts part time at a gas station. He started by buying one house and fixing it up. While renovating it he realized he could divide it into something for him, and a rental space. Eventually he found the second house he could do the same to, so moved out of his and rented it, moved into the beat-up house, and lived there while he renovated. Now I think he has 10 that he rents out and an 11th that he lives in. 10 rental places keeps him pretty busy but hiring someone to manage it would kill his profit. Are those 10 houses together in one place or one area or scattered? They're relatively close. I've only been to one, a three story house that he rents the first two floors and lives on the third. But they're all probably within a few miles of each other. perhaps i should do a cash out refinance to get cash to buy the next house instead. that way i get to keep all the tax benefits of a primary residence loan? Do you itemize? Are you in a high enough bracket that the savings on your marginal rate offset the differential interest? yup,let's go with the the hypothetical 25% married jointly bracket ... Assuming you are married filing jointly at a 25% federal marginal rate, and you have a $150,000 mortgage at 4.4% interest over 15 years, then your average annual federal tax savings is about $950. For comparison, you are paying about $3,700 in interest per year. So your net is negative $2,750. Over the term of the mortgage, it's negative $41,000. By contrast, the 2014 standard deduction for married filing jointly is $12,400. So, unless you are itemizing deductions in excess of about $15,000 annually, then you are better off with the mortgage paid off from a tax perspective. |
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You may have missed the part in the link that said the most unhappy places were places with religious oppression.LOL zolace cant find a hole deep enough to dig himself into.
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What what did the article YOU posted note were factors in Norway achieving that rating? Granted - you may realize actually posting what the article said will be a problem for you. Of course, not posting it does also now. So, fear not, and go with posting the excerpt from the article above.
I've made my point . The nations with the least religion are the perennial winners in the happiness studies. You cannot explain it.....it is making your brain smoke. If you think you have a point, feel free to make it. |
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LOL I already posted dozens of reasons why they are happy. No hesitation. An eglaitarian society desired after WWII was the secret. Egalitarian - equality and equal rights for all peoples. No religious bigotry apparantly.
again "freedom to choose the direction of their lives" came out of one of many of my links. They apparantly chose (in majority) no religion....and yet they are among the happiest peoples on the planet.
Still cant explain that can you?
Ok this is getting even more pathetic. In the link below that you posted supporting your premise: http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/again "freedom to choose the direction of their lives" came out of one of many of my links. I already posted this . "Legatum scores the world’s countries on entrepreneurship, personal freedom, health, economy, social capital, education, safety & security, and governance." And that was just one of my many links about those countries. They apparantly chose (in majority) no religion....and yet they are among the happiest peoples on the planet. They have personal freedom and equality, no religigious bigotry. Still cant explain that can you. |
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He has supported $5 billion in aid to Israel for years now (since 2011), and with recent votes to increase it, it doesn't seem like he is going to go back to his "no aid for anyone" stance anytime soon.
If he wants to stop aid to Israel, he won't say so in public and he won't vote that way until his second term as president. If he gets that far. Until then, he can believe whatever he wants, but he won't be voicing or voting his conscience. At least not so long as he has national political aspirations, or the tides turn dramatically on popular support for israel. The religious component makes that very unlikely I think. |
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or rent it out and buy another house. I have a few friends who started doing that, and have since quit their jobs and do that as their sole source of income.
how did they do during the recession? they cant hire someone or their relatives to do the property management? doesnt seem like a full time job all the time .seems to be a solid source of income especially when this country is getting more and more crowded . He did okay. I shouldn't have said it's his sole income, but it's definitely his primary income. I think he probably pulls three shifts part time at a gas station. He started by buying one house and fixing it up. While renovating it he realized he could divide it into something for him, and a rental space. Eventually he found the second house he could do the same to, so moved out of his and rented it, moved into the beat-up house, and lived there while he renovated. Now I think he has 10 that he rents out and an 11th that he lives in. 10 rental places keeps him pretty busy but hiring someone to manage it would kill his profit. Are those 10 houses together in one place or one area or scattered? They're relatively close. I've only been to one, a three story house that he rents the first two floors and lives on the third. But they're all probably within a few miles of each other. perhaps i should do a cash out refinance to get cash to buy the next house instead. that way i get to keep all the tax benefits of a primary residence loan? Do you itemize? Are you in a high enough bracket that the savings on your marginal rate offset the differential interest? |
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or rent it out and buy another house. I have a few friends who started doing that, and have since quit their jobs and do that as their sole source of income.
how did they do during the recession? they cant hire someone or their relatives to do the property management? doesnt seem like a full time job all the time .seems to be a solid source of income especially when this country is getting more and more crowded . He did okay. I shouldn't have said it's his sole income, but it's definitely his primary income. I think he probably pulls three shifts part time at a gas station. He started by buying one house and fixing it up. While renovating it he realized he could divide it into something for him, and a rental space. Eventually he found the second house he could do the same to, so moved out of his and rented it, moved into the beat-up house, and lived there while he renovated. Now I think he has 10 that he rents out and an 11th that he lives in. 10 rental places keeps him pretty busy but hiring someone to manage it would kill his profit. Are those 10 houses together in one place or one area or scattered? They're relatively close. I've only been to one, a three story house that he rents the first two floors and lives on the third. But they're all probably within a few miles of each other. |
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or rent it out and buy another house. I have a few friends who started doing that, and have since quit their jobs and do that as their sole source of income.
how did they do during the recession? they cant hire someone or their relatives to do the property management? doesnt seem like a full time job all the time .seems to be a solid source of income especially when this country is getting more and more crowded . He did okay. I shouldn't have said it's his sole income, but it's definitely his primary income. I think he probably pulls three shifts part time at a gas station. He started by buying one house and fixing it up. While renovating it he realized he could divide it into something for him, and a rental space. Eventually he found the second house he could do the same to, so moved out of his and rented it, moved into the beat-up house, and lived there while he renovated. Now I think he has 10 that he rents out and an 11th that he lives in. 10 rental places keeps him pretty busy but hiring someone to manage it would kill his profit. |
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