http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5547635.htmlReported ISIS Member Says They Will Destroy The Kaaba In Mecca, 'Kill Those Who Worship Stones' [UPDATE] UPDATE 4:14 PM-- The Twitter account https://twitter.com/nm8smyh, which sent the original message, has been suspended. The authenticity of the account as belonging to an ISIS member has not been verified. A reported member of the militant group Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), which recently dubbed itself simply as The Islamic State, has declared that they will destroy the Kaaba in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, which is Islam's most holy site. APA quoted alleged ISIS member Abu Turab Al Mugaddasi based on reports from Turkish media, who said on Twitter: If Allah wills, we will kill those who worship stones in Mecca and destroy the Kaaba. People go to Mecca to touch the stones, not for Allah. ISIS reportedly is planning to take over the city of Arar in Saudi Arabia, which is very close to the Iraq border. It is a fifteen-hour drive away from Mecca, the site of the Hajj pilgrimage which all observant Muslims are expected to do at least once. If indeed the statement is from an ISIS member, it's a shocking one even for them, considering that ISIS has been attempting to increase recruitment from Muslims worldwide by declaring the restoration of an Islamic Caliphate. According to John L. Esposito, Professor of Religion and International Affairs and of Islamic Studies at Georgetown University, "In terms of legitimacy- unless you're someone who's ready to join a terrorist group at this point, for the vast majority of Muslims there is no legitimacy with this group." This most recent threat reinforces Esposito's point, particularly as it comes during the holy month of Ramadan. This piece has been updated to reflect the lack of authentication behind the reported tweet. Wow if that is accurate this could get really ugly. We definitely do not want to get dragged into fights between Muslim sects. I have been waiting for something like this to happen. A group of Savages to really take their savagery too far and want to destroy Mecca or even the Dome of the Rock. Either way the other Savages will find a way to blame America or "Tha Jews" for it. And I've been waiting for moderate Muslims to stand up for themselves rather than join then or turn and run. Moderate Muslims have to stand up to ISIS or ISIS may even destroy the Kaaba. Does Maliki use Twitter? Maybe The Regime can start a new hashtag and that will get him to step down .I bet that will work. You could get a job in the admin for that one. |
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No culture or society would ever condone wholesale genocide, much less ever admit to participating in it.
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Here's whats true......your God told Moses that people who worship other gods should be put to death...aka murdered. Awesome God.
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Killing people for believing other things has always been murder. It will always be murder no matter what people used to think. It is also genocide. We are not talking about capital punishment, we are not talking abortion...all interesting topics that you might want to start another thread about. We are talking about a biblical command to put adult human beings to death for no other reason than they worship differently. This is murder.
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More accurately it's called, genocide.In the case of the Israelites murdering non-Israelites, some may prefer the term, "Ethnic Cleansing".
Actually, if you read the account, it was not for having a 'different faith'. But, lets go with your error and again ask - what determines that something is murder? Some folks think aborting babies is murder - not all. Some folk think the government executing murderers or rapists is murder - other folkd do not. What makes your interpretation of murder the correct one? Believing in a different god is having a different faith. Believing anything differently means having a different faith. It is not an error. Deuteronomy says (God to Moses) kill people who worship other gods. Worshiping other gods means your faith is different. How many ways do I have to explain something so simple to you? |
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What was this air strike conducted with? I thought they didn't have anything but Cessna's with bottle rockets.
They have gathered a few MiG's over the last several years (some bought, others found in Serbia where Hussein sent them in the 80s for repairs and could never bring them back after sanctions were imposed), and more recently bought some Su-25s specifically for combating the ISIS forces. Basically they have a bunch of 30-40 year old jets. |
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The thing is that in the case of sarin gas in Syria, it wasn't the government using it but the "rebels".
One thing about sarin is that it is relatively easy to work out its origins and the stuff in Ghouta was from Turkey who would never supply Assad.
there's not a shred of evidence that the sarin came from Turkey. That both sides have used it is undoubted, but to try and make the exact instance to which Obama responded the fault of the rebels is just more of his anti-American fantasizing. No matter what America does. |
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More accurately it's called, genocide.In the case of the Israelites murdering non-Israelites, some may prefer the term, "Ethnic Cleansing".
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Believing in the Buddha has really led those monks down the path of evil hasnt it? Seriously that may have been the dumbest thing you have ever said. And in the long litany of that has come off your keyboard there is some stiff competition for the award. I suppose you will be the first person to volunteer to put those evil bastards to death.
I suppose if one lived in your world, where reading comprehesion and integrity is optional. By the way, still waiting for you answer here: Are you saying that there is no criteria where one human can put another to death and it is not murder? If there is criteria for when a person can take the life of another and it not be murder - then what is that criteria based on? I dont really care about your irrelevent question about other instances where killing may or may not be murder. We are talking about one specific situation.... The one specific situation we are discussigin is where a person has a different faith and is put to death, killed, murdered, terminated, etc. for simply having that different faith. You can call it what you like but that is murder. that is not what this topic is about, rigon. Emotional responses have their place, but, should not be running the show. The specific situation we are discussigin is where a person has a different faith and is put to death, killed, murdered, terminated, etc. for simply having that different faith (as god commanded Moses apparantly). You can call it what you like but that is murder. |
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Believing in the Buddha has really led those monks down the path of evil hasnt it? Seriously that may have been the dumbest thing you have ever said. And in the long litany of that has come off your keyboard there is some stiff competition for the award. I suppose you will be the first person to volunteer to put those evil bastards to death.
I suppose if one lived in your world, where reading comprehesion and integrity is optional. By the way, still waiting for you answer here: Are you saying that there is no criteria where one human can put another to death and it is not murder? If there is criteria for when a person can take the life of another and it not be murder - then what is that criteria based on? I dont really care about your irrelevent question about other instances where killing may or may not be murder. We are talking about one specific situation.... The one specific situation we are discussigin is where a person has a different faith and is put to death, killed, murdered, terminated, etc. for simply having that different faith. You can call it what you like but that is murder. |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5547635.htmlReported ISIS Member Says They Will Destroy The Kaaba In Mecca, 'Kill Those Who Worship Stones' [UPDATE] UPDATE 4:14 PM-- The Twitter account https://twitter.com/nm8smyh, which sent the original message, has been suspended. The authenticity of the account as belonging to an ISIS member has not been verified. A reported member of the militant group Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), which recently dubbed itself simply as The Islamic State, has declared that they will destroy the Kaaba in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, which is Islam's most holy site. APA quoted alleged ISIS member Abu Turab Al Mugaddasi based on reports from Turkish media, who said on Twitter: If Allah wills, we will kill those who worship stones in Mecca and destroy the Kaaba. People go to Mecca to touch the stones, not for Allah. ISIS reportedly is planning to take over the city of Arar in Saudi Arabia, which is very close to the Iraq border. It is a fifteen-hour drive away from Mecca, the site of the Hajj pilgrimage which all observant Muslims are expected to do at least once. If indeed the statement is from an ISIS member, it's a shocking one even for them, considering that ISIS has been attempting to increase recruitment from Muslims worldwide by declaring the restoration of an Islamic Caliphate. According to John L. Esposito, Professor of Religion and International Affairs and of Islamic Studies at Georgetown University, "In terms of legitimacy- unless you're someone who's ready to join a terrorist group at this point, for the vast majority of Muslims there is no legitimacy with this group." This most recent threat reinforces Esposito's point, particularly as it comes during the holy month of Ramadan. This piece has been updated to reflect the lack of authentication behind the reported tweet. Wow if that is accurate this could get really ugly. We definitely do not want to get dragged into fights between Muslim sects. I have been waiting for something like this to happen. A group of Savages to really take their savagery too far and want to destroy Mecca or even the Dome of the Rock. Either way the other Savages will find a way to blame America or "Tha Jews" for it. |
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Will have to see where it goes. Mission creep is always a big possibility, but for now President Obama seems to want to keep any engagement very limited and doesn't want to be seen as taking the offensive for the Iraqi government or Kurds.
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Believing in the Buddha has really led those monks down the path of evil hasnt it? Seriously that may have been the dumbest thing you have ever said. And in the long litany of that has come off your keyboard there is some stiff competition for the award. I suppose you will be the first person to volunteer to put those evil bastards to death.
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How is it murder you ask?
Deuteronomy 13:
The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
Let me ask you , if you stoned someone to death for worshing someone other than your god tomorrow.....would anyone consider that murder you think???
Still does not answer how it is murder, destroying the nations, nor then giving a different example of when to apply the death penalty within the nation of Israel. So, what makes either example murder? You still have not answered that. Its the "putting people to death" part that makes it murder. Killing someone because they worship another god is murder no matter how much an idiot like yourself tries to rationalize it. Call it murder, a "death penalty", punishment...whatever you want to call it. Your god commands you to put people to death who simply worship another god. great guy isn’t he??? Still not anwering the question - unless you are saying that there is no criteria where one human can put another to death and it is not murder? If there is criteria for when a person can take the life of another and it not be murder - then what is that criteria based on? Putting anyone to death for worshiping in a different way is always murder . But recall i said i could give a shit what you call it. God was telling Moses that people who worship other gods should be killed. There is no way to interpret that in a good light . Great god huh? As Sana points out - to worship something other than one's own Creator is wrong. In fact, dangerous and leads to evil. Well there you have it. If you are a brainwashed and believe that shit then I guess you can convince yourself its OK to murder someone who happens to think differently than you. This would make you essentially no different than a brainwashed islamic terrorist. |
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How is it murder you ask?
Deuteronomy 13:
The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
Let me ask you , if you stoned someone to death for worshing someone other than your god tomorrow.....would anyone consider that murder you think???
Still does not answer how it is murder, destroying the nations, nor then giving a different example of when to apply the death penalty within the nation of Israel. So, what makes either example murder? You still have not answered that. Its the "putting people to death" part that makes it murder. Killing someone because they worship another god is murder no matter how much an idiot like yourself tries to rationalize it. Call it murder, a "death penalty", punishment...whatever you want to call it. Your god commands you to put people to death who simply worship another god. great guy isn’t he??? Still not anwering the question - unless you are saying that there is no criteria where one human can put another to death and it is not murder? If there is criteria for when a person can take the life of another and it not be murder - then what is that criteria based on? Putting anyone to death for worshiping in a different way is always murder . But recall i said i could give a shit what you call it. God was telling Moses that people who worship other gods should be killed. There is no way to interpret that in a good light . Great god huh? |
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Hmmm...let's recall.
When Bashir Assad started using chemical weapons on his own people, Obama wanted to stop him and went so far, against the better judgment of Congress and leftists, and the racist judgment of rightwingers, to threaten to bomb him without either Congressional OR UN authorization.
We can all remember, of course, the splenetic outrage at the mere threat, not the execution the mere threat of bombing Assad. It was a waste! Who cares if he uses WMD! Obama should never have drawn a red line!
Now, fast forward to ISIS. Obama doesn't draw a red line, and expresses reluctance to bomb. Now the rightwing says, "But, it's a humanitarian crisis! It's genocide! Why didn't he stop it before! We have to go to war war war.
People deny my statement that much of the division of this nation arises from the outright hatred for and racism towards the black guy in the White House, such that no matter WHAT he does he is deemed wrong.
Isn't this the perfect example of that?
We need to deal with the rightwing in this nation. They need to be silenced, one way or the other.
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How is it murder you ask?
Deuteronomy 13:
The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
Let me ask you , if you stoned someone to death for worshing someone other than your god tomorrow.....would anyone consider that murder you think???
Still does not answer how it is murder, destroying the nations, nor then giving a different example of when to apply the death penalty within the nation of Israel. So, what makes either example murder? You still have not answered that. Its the "putting people to death" part that makes it murder. Killing someone because they worship another god is murder no matter how much an idiot like yourself tries to rationalize it. Call it murder, a "death penalty", punishment...whatever you want to call it. Your god commands you to put people to death who simply worship another god. great guy isn’t he??? |
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God (man who pretended to be god) was writing that all who believe in other gods should be put to death...and he was speaking to (writing for) anyone who believed the bible......which we now call christians.
If you believe God actually wrote or inspired this , then you believe your god wants us to kill anyone who doesnt believe in him. Great and loving/forgiving god that he is.
I agree that God gave instructions to destroy some nations. Who did he give them to? Simple question. By the way, while it is evil to worship anyone other than our Creator, that is not why he gave the instructions to destroy those select nations - else other nations would have been on the list. But if you are given orders to destroy and kill surely that's in Vengeance? Making all gods Vengeful gods, let alone contradicting a load of the 613 commandments... And now the counterpoint to theism, "If the big bang came from nowhere, where did god come from to create the universe if no universe existed before him?" But, lets see how far we go - taking the position (for arguement sake) that it is indeed the Creator giving the instructions to eliminate these nations (nations, mind you, involved in great evil according to the text), how is it murder? Deuteronomy was attributed to Moses according to the bible. Jesus himself says Moses wrote it and that people should believe the words. "For if ye believed Moses, ye would believe me; for he wrote of me (See Deut. 18:15-18). But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:46-47). So jesus is saying that Moses is right in Deuteronomy...and jesus is lord....no??? Yes, Jesus is right about Moses. And yes, Moses words are from God. And therefore.....? ......therefore god instructs us to put to death anyone who worships another. Are you fucking dense or something? Have you been paying any attention at all? (Rhetorical questions) |
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How is it murder you ask?
Deuteronomy 13:
The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
Let me ask you , if you stoned someone to death for worshing someone other than your god tomorrow.....would anyone consider that murder you think???
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God (man who pretended to be god) was writing that all who believe in other gods should be put to death...and he was speaking to (writing for) anyone who believed the bible......which we now call christians.
If you believe God actually wrote or inspired this , then you believe your god wants us to kill anyone who doesnt believe in him. Great and loving/forgiving god that he is.
I agree that God gave instructions to destroy some nations. Who did he give them to? Simple question. By the way, while it is evil to worship anyone other than our Creator, that is not why he gave the instructions to destroy those select nations - else other nations would have been on the list. But if you are given orders to destroy and kill surely that's in Vengeance? Making all gods Vengeful gods, let alone contradicting a load of the 613 commandments... And now the counterpoint to theism, "If the big bang came from nowhere, where did god come from to create the universe if no universe existed before him?" But, lets see how far we go - taking the position (for arguement sake) that it is indeed the Creator giving the instructions to eliminate these nations (nations, mind you, involved in great evil according to the text), how is it murder? Deuteronomy was attributed to Moses according to the bible. Jesus himself says Moses wrote it and that people should believe the words. "For if ye believed Moses, ye would believe me; for he wrote of me (See Deut. 18:15-18). But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:46-47). So jesus is saying that Moses is right in Deuteronomy...and jesus is lord....no??? |
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