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1621  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 16, 2014, 09:37:29 AM
I'm willing to bet a million dollars that zolace does not in fact come back and address the point and will remain fixated on a line of questioning about one statement from one link in a desperate attempt to avoid looking at anything other than the  dark corners of his closed mind.
1622  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 16, 2014, 09:27:24 AM
For the sake of discussion....Lets say that one link doesn't exist.  This will send your pathetic mind into convulsions since you have been using that one link as an excuse to avoid addressing the actual issue.  Forget that link.  Drop it.  It never existed.  Lets talk about all the others.
1623  Other / Politics & Society / Re: greatest speech i heard in a long time on: August 16, 2014, 09:11:23 AM
Anarchism wont and will never work. Somebody is always going to rise to power after time. It would just end up with something like what we had years ago. Powerful people controlling areas of land. Then they'll build their own private army's and it will all start again
1624  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 15, 2014, 07:20:03 PM
I presented multiple pieces of information on Norways happiness.  How they rate high in numerous surveys and every year...not just one study.  Also other pieces of information on similar countries with similar happiness like Sweden, Denmakr, Astralia, new Zealand.

I presented other pieces of evidence regarding no atheists in prison.

I presented evidence of low crime in nations with low religious belief.

I presented the evidence of lack of religious belief.

Conclusion....I presented multiple lines of evidence that suggests atheists are happy, safe, peaceful,  don't commit crime, etc.  This is counter to your position of atheism being bad and immoral.

Have you no answer?
1625  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 15, 2014, 07:14:40 PM
This is the part where you provide evidence to the counter and attempt to state your case which you have not yet done.  This is your thread no?   Do you have a point?
Ok, this was quite dishonest, so it blows off the rest of what you said.  I have clearly not said that.

I am pointing out that the link below, based so far on what you c&p from it, does not contribute to your case IN ANY WAY.  Now, once you agree, we can discard it and move on to the other links.

Or, if you disagree, c&p what does contribute to your case.    But, good luck with that - we both know the link below does not contribute to connecting Norwegians happiness with atheism (perhaps even the opposite) IN ANY WAY.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/



Do you think anyone reading this  thinks you are actually "hanging in there"?  Perhaps "hanging yourself", "hanging in the wind", "hanging out to dry"......but not remotely "hanging in there". 

Address all the points in my case, make your case, or shut the fuck up and go home.  

I tell you what, lets pretend that single survey from Norway doesn't exist. I no longer have it in my arsenal to make my case.   There are plenty of other studies on well being and happiness in Norway and other similar nations...dozens of them.  The data on prisons stands alone.  The data on crime stands alone. 


The above post stands - but maybe the below can make it simpler for you (I truly think you are also battling anger and ego issues here):


For the case of connecting Norwegian happiness with atheism (or even lack of religion):

In seeking to make you case, you have provided several links, including the one below - if we were to gather together the links that actually do contribute to your case, we can agree, that the one below should not be included, yes?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

You cant get your single brain cell away from one single post and one single link?Huh?   My case is not made from pieces of information from that one link in that one post.  My case is made up of far more data that I posted in many other places....with more links and citations.

Go back and read any of the seven times I summarized all 4 or 5 parts of the case and associated citations.

You are a surreal human being .  The lengths you will go to avoid answering questions or recognizing what is right in front of your face is astounding.  It's idiocy of biblical proportions.....probably the closest you'll ever get to your god.
1626  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 15, 2014, 07:08:34 PM
This is the part where you provide evidence to the counter and attempt to state your case which you have not yet done.  This is your thread no?   Do you have a point?
Ok, this was quite dishonest, so it blows off the rest of what you said.  I have clearly not said that.

I am pointing out that the link below, based so far on what you c&p from it, does not contribute to your case IN ANY WAY.  Now, once you agree, we can discard it and move on to the other links.

Or, if you disagree, c&p what does contribute to your case.    But, good luck with that - we both know the link below does not contribute to connecting Norwegians happiness with atheism (perhaps even the opposite) IN ANY WAY.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/



Do you think anyone reading this  thinks you are actually "hanging in there"?  Perhaps "hanging yourself", "hanging in the wind", "hanging out to dry"......but not remotely "hanging in there". 

Address all the points in my case, make your case, or shut the fuck up and go home.  

I tell you what, lets pretend that single survey from Norway doesn't exist. I no longer have it in my arsenal to make my case.   There are plenty of other studies on well being and happiness in Norway and other similar nations...dozens of them.  The data on prisons stands alone.  The data on crime stands alone. 
1627  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 15, 2014, 07:03:14 PM
Actually, it is very believable.     he must continue to pretend I have made no case and that it is all about one link about Norway and none of the other points because.......he has no response, he has no case.  He cant answer my questions. 

He can never enter the realm of making a case for his position as long as he has none.  He must continue to make it about  my case, and he must ignore 80% of the points I've made and pretend they don't exist if he has any hope of hanging in there in this one-sided discussion with nothing other than "no it isn't" from him.  He cant even state his point in the thread other than "atheism is bad" which can only be inferred.
1628  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 15, 2014, 06:59:19 PM
This is the part where you provide evidence to the counter and attempt to state your case which you have not yet done.  This is your thread no?   Do you have a point?
1629  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 15, 2014, 06:55:43 PM
That is my case.

This is the part where you say how and why I am wrong.  You could start by finally telling us the point of this thread if not "atheism is bad and makes life bad for people".   I have shown atheists are not bad and atheism does not make life bad for people...and we all already know dictators, whether atheist or religious, are bad.

That is the brief summary of my case. What is yours? Got one?
Ok, so that is your case, but you agree that the link I have been asking  you about does not support that case.  If it did you would quote from it.

Fine, we can move onto your next claim.


Btw - several of the points you note above are addressed in that thread below, througout the thread.  I do find how the debate on 'bleakness' going rather interesting.

http://forum2.aimoo.com/FSA/Political-Discussion/Thoughts-on-religion-for-a-Sunday-morning-Part-two-11-1257364.html
No one piece of information is an island unto itself.  You are playing the creationist game.  You would like to discuss one single bone with an unusual result when dated radiometrically instead of considering the mountains of the data surrounding it in every other field of science.

I don't care if that one link all by itself only makes part of my case.Its all the information I presented that makes my case you kinda idiot.

Will you ever have the balls to state your case and acknowledge my questions?

The answer to that is most certainly no.

If you aren't going to ever make a point as to what you are saying here or otherwise continue to refuse to address my position and the questions it raises.....please go
That is true - I have pointed that out before (though not in those words) when we have discussed the issue of origins.  I really wish you practiced what you preach.


I am not asking for conclusive evidence from the link below for your case - I am asking what pieces of information from that link leads to or contributes to your case.

And you have shown NOTHING really.  The link shows is that Norway is the happiest - but that is one piece of info.  From that same link, you conveniently ignore what else it says about Norway.  The other pieces of information - the other 'islands'.  And apparently intentionally, which is probably why you will not copy and paste such.
No.  I presented multiple pieces of information on Norways happiness.  How they rate high in numerous surveys and every year...not just one study.  Also other pieces of information on similar countries with similar happiness like Sweden, Denmakr, Astralia, new Zealand.

I presented other pieces of evidence regarding no atheists in prison.

I presented other pieces of evidence of low crime in nations with low religious belief.

I presented the evidence of their lower religious belief.

I presented multiple lines of evidence.,

You are quite simply a liar.   You are trying to have an argument around a single link if that was the entirely of my case.

You have responded with....well........nothing but denial and continued requests for me to make a different case from one link about Norway apparently.  I don't have a different case Tomas.  You are wrong, I have showed you evidence.  Evidence that refutes your position.
1630  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 15, 2014, 06:52:14 PM
This is really quite unbelievable.  I think you are absolutely in an alternate reality.   He can sit there and claim I have only shown one little link with a few words to make my case.  It is all he has been able to discuss for 6 pages.  What about that one link ...how does it make your case....THAT ONE LINK...HERE IT IS AGAIN....WHAT ABOUT THE ONE LINK?  I proceed to show him multiple sources of surveys indicating the well being of people in MANY more nations than just Norway.  I provided data regarding the religious views of Norway and other nations included in my case.  I provided data on their lower crime rates and the crime rates of other nations with less importance placed on religion.  I provided data on atheists in prison and their very very low rate of incarceration compared to religious people. I provided way more than a single data source about happiness in one country to make the case that atheism doesn't make people bad.  Atheism is not the reason for poor behavior.
1631  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 15, 2014, 06:48:50 PM
That is my case.

This is the part where you say how and why I am wrong.  You could start by finally telling us the point of this thread if not "atheism is bad and makes life bad for people".   I have shown atheists are not bad and atheism does not make life bad for people...and we all already know dictators, whether atheist or religious, are bad.

That is the brief summary of my case. What is yours? Got one?
Ok, so that is your case, but you agree that the link I have been asking  you about does not support that case.  If it did you would quote from it.

Fine, we can move onto your next claim.


Btw - several of the points you note above are addressed in that thread below, througout the thread.  I do find how the debate on 'bleakness' going rather interesting.

http://forum2.aimoo.com/FSA/Political-Discussion/Thoughts-on-religion-for-a-Sunday-morning-Part-two-11-1257364.html
No one piece of information is an island unto itself.  You are playing the creationist game.  You would like to discuss one single bone with an unusual result when dated radiometrically instead of considering the mountains of the data surrounding it in every other field of science.

I don't care if that one link all by itself only makes part of my case.Its all the information I presented that makes my case you kinda idiot.

Will you ever have the balls to state your case and acknowledge my questions?

The answer to that is most certainly no.

If you aren't going to ever make a point as to what you are saying here or otherwise continue to refuse to address my position and the questions it raises.....please go
That is true - I have pointed that out before (though not in those words) when we have discussed the issue of origins.  I really wish you practiced what you preach.


I am not asking for conclusive evidence from the link below for your case - I am asking what pieces of information from that link leads to or contributes to your case.

And you have shown NOTHING really.  The link shows is that Norway is the happiest - but that is one piece of info.  From that same link, you conveniently ignore what else it says about Norway.  The other pieces of information - the other 'islands'.  And apparently intentionally, which is probably why you will not copy and paste such.
No.  I presented multiple pieces of information on Norways happiness.  How they rate high in numerous surveys and every year...not just one study.  Also other pieces of information on similar countries with similar happiness like Sweden, Denmakr, Astralia, new Zealand.

I presented other pieces of evidence regarding no atheists in prison.

I presented other pieces of evidence of low crime in nations with low religious belief.

I presented the evidence of their lower religious belief.

I presented multiple lines of evidence.,

You are quite simply a liar.   You are trying to have an argument around a single link if that was the entirely of my case.
1632  Economy / Economics / Re: What have you invested since the recession and how are they doing? on: August 15, 2014, 06:05:12 PM
real estate, stocks, anything?

the recession dealt quite a bit of damage to me. so i chickened out and mostly missed the boat.

i guess i will catch up with ya on the next downswing
I buy and hold index funds, so my performance has been almost exactly the same as the market. But I started a new, higher paying job in September 2008, so I had a lot of free cash flow and put every red cent I had into stocks (through index funds) when they were cheap. I timed the market in that respect.

I don't own any real estate, bonds or bond funds, individual stocks, precious metals, or anything else. The simple reason is that they are either more expensive, more work or have weaker performance than stocks, or all three (for example, in the case of real estate).
But of you bought a house you could live in it while waiting for it to turn profit. A house holds value a lot better than stocks. And even if the value goes down to a worthless level, you can still make use (and profit) of it unlike stocks .The key question is, when did you start investing
A residence is a nonperforming asset. It does not generate any profit. And the rate of return on residential real estate is vastly inferior to stocks--about half in real numbers, even lower in real return. That's not to mention the lack of liquidity in residential real estate and all of the taxes, upkeep, insurance, etc. It is also, as many learned in the past 6 years, among the least diversified and most risky ways to hold capital. 1992, but in a more serious way in 1996.
i meant when did you try to catch the bottom of this recession. i thought about doing it in middle of 2009, but didnt do anything until early-mid 2010
1633  Economy / Economics / Re: What have you invested since the recession and how are they doing? on: August 15, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
real estate, stocks, anything?

the recession dealt quite a bit of damage to me. so i chickened out and mostly missed the boat.

i guess i will catch up with ya on the next downswing
I buy and hold index funds, so my performance has been almost exactly the same as the market. But I started a new, higher paying job in September 2008, so I had a lot of free cash flow and put every red cent I had into stocks (through index funds) when they were cheap. I timed the market in that respect.

I don't own any real estate, bonds or bond funds, individual stocks, precious metals, or anything else. The simple reason is that they are either more expensive, more work or have weaker performance than stocks, or all three (for example, in the case of real estate).
But of you bought a house you could live in it while waiting for it to turn profit. A house holds value a lot better than stocks. And even if the value goes down to a worthless level, you can still make use (and profit) of it unlike stocks .The key question is, when did you start investing
1634  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 15, 2014, 05:38:04 PM
That is my case.

This is the part where you say how and why I am wrong.  You could start by finally telling us the point of this thread if not "atheism is bad and makes life bad for people".   I have shown atheists are not bad and atheism does not make life bad for people...and we all already know dictators, whether atheist or religious, are bad.

That is the brief summary of my case. What is yours? Got one?
Ok, so that is your case, but you agree that the link I have been asking  you about does not support that case.  If it did you would quote from it.

Fine, we can move onto your next claim.


Btw - several of the points you note above are addressed in that thread below, througout the thread.  I do find how the debate on 'bleakness' going rather interesting.

http://forum2.aimoo.com/FSA/Political-Discussion/Thoughts-on-religion-for-a-Sunday-morning-Part-two-11-1257364.html
No one piece of information is an island unto itself.  You are playing the creationist game.  You would like to discuss one single bone with an unusual result when dated radiometrically instead of considering the mountains of the data surrounding it in every other field of science.

I don't care if that one link all by itself only makes part of my case.Its all the information I presented that makes my case you kinda idiot.

Will you ever have the balls to state your case and acknowledge my questions?

The answer to that is most certainly no.

If you aren't going to ever make a point as to what you are saying here or otherwise continue to refuse to address my position and the questions it raises.....please go
1635  Economy / Economics / What have you invested since the recession and how are they doing? on: August 15, 2014, 05:03:42 PM
real estate, stocks, anything?

the recession dealt quite a bit of damage to me. so i chickened out and mostly missed the boat.

i guess i will catch up with ya on the next downswing
1636  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 15, 2014, 04:41:08 PM
That is my case.

This is the part where you say how and why I am wrong.  You could start by finally telling us the point of this thread if not "atheism is bad and makes life bad for people".   I have shown atheists are not bad and atheism does not make life bad for people...and we all already know dictators, whether atheist or religious, are bad.

That is the brief summary of my case. What is yours? Got one?
1637  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 15, 2014, 04:18:04 PM
From the link you are obsessed with, among all the other link and citation I provided, I have demonstrated the following that is counter to your position that atheism makes people bad:

1) Atheists are under-represented in the prison population by a factor of more than 10 relative to their numbers in society.  Apparently, being atheist doesn't make you commit crime at any greater rate than anyone else.

2)  Many nations place far less importance on religion than the US.  Germany actually ranked highest with 80% responding religion is unimportant.  Many societies with far greater percentages of atheists (statistically significant) including Norway with 3 times more atheists per capita than the US, has low crime and a far safer society.  Having more atheists has not made them worse as your point in this thread would have people believe, in fact, they are better off by many measures. So again, there is no evidence that being atheist makes people commit crime at a higher rate.   
         
3) Many societies with far greater percentages of atheists have perrenially been found to be happy, satisfied, and socially cohesive communities compared with other more religious places in the world.   Only 13% of people attend church once a month or more in Norway.   Having fewer religious people and more atheists has not made them worse in any way as your point in this thread would seem to indicate.  No evidence atheism makes people gloomy or hopeless.

4) Atheist people are not the factor that makes the nations you list "bad" places.  They are bad places run by dictators who don't want their people to worship anyone but themselves.  Dictators, whether religious or atheist, are bad. Atheism is a side show to the real cause, crazy power hungry dictators.
1638  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 15, 2014, 04:09:32 PM
In other words, you want to argue over how best to put up the roof, when you refuse to see that you have mislaid the foundation, and refuse to even consider that you have mislaid it. 
My claim is substantiated by the preponderance of the evidence I presented .  Atheists are not bad.  They don't need religion to be happy healthy prosperous and decent people.  Atheism doesn't make people bad.    I presented plenty of data.  Atheists are underrepresented in prisons.  Places where there are many of them have low crime and happiness and lots of social cohesion.

I have substantiated my claims.  You haven't even made a claim.  One of my questions is:  What is your claim?  Is it that atheism is bad?   Your only answer in over 200 posts was "it doesn't have a good track record".    Well, according to my data I presented in the CLAIM I substantiated, it does.  These are the questions you wont answer.

Look at the mental gymnastics you go through to avoid them?

No, you have not made your case.  Not at all.  And clearly, you do not wish to be questioned on it.

You can't even admit that the link below does provide any backing for you - you have posted nothing from it that even mentions Norway.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/

How much sillier can that get?

Look, you are embracing emotion over logic on this - and frankly, we are in an impasse as long as you continue that.
I made my case.

You didn't like my case.

This is the part where you say why my case is wrong, not continue to ask me to make my case again simply because you didn't like it.  Any fool reading this can see I made my case whether they agree with it or not.  Any fool reading this can see you are dodging the logical questions that arise as PART OF MY CASE THAT I ALREADY MADE.

You are claiming that state atheism is bad...we assume.  We can also only assume you feel atheism is what makes the people bad since you will not actually state your point, although asked repeatedly for 8 pages now.  This is your thread and you wont even state your point.  LOL

In any event, assuming that you think atheism makes people bad, my case was quite thorough.
1639  Other / Politics & Society / Ukraine Forces Attack Armed Convoy From Russia, Convoy Is ‘Partly Destroyed’ on: August 15, 2014, 03:52:22 PM
Ukrainian Military Spokesman Lysenko: #Ukraine Forces Attack Armed Convoy From Russia, Convoy Is ‘Partly Destroyed’
https://twitter.com/livesquawk/status/500291118001848320
The world is burning
1640  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 15, 2014, 02:36:40 PM
In other words, you want to argue over how best to put up the roof, when you refuse to see that you have mislaid the foundation, and refuse to even consider that you have mislaid it. 
My claim is substantiated by the preponderance of the evidence I presented .  Atheists are not bad.  They don't need religion to be happy healthy prosperous and decent people.  Atheism doesn't make people bad.    I presented plenty of data.  Atheists are underrepresented in prisons.  Places where there are many of them have low crime and happiness and lots of social cohesion.

I have substantiated my claims.  You haven't even made a claim.  One of my questions is:  What is your claim?  Is it that atheism is bad?   Your only answer in over 200 posts was "it doesn't have a good track record".    Well, according to my data I presented in the CLAIM I substantiated, it does.  These are the questions you wont answer.

Look at the mental gymnastics you go through to avoid them?
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