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1721  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does God judge the nations? on: August 13, 2014, 02:15:14 PM
Our conscience convinces us there is something wrong with suffering, starvation, rape, pain, and evil, and it makes us aware that love, generosity, compassion, and peace are positive things for which we should strive. This is universally true in all cultures in all times.
1722  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does God judge the nations? on: August 13, 2014, 02:09:46 PM
In fact, as an example, it is impossible for God to lie.  Nor can he be tempted by evil.  

Hebrews Chapter 6
18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

From James 1

12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation; for when he hath been approved, he shall receive the crown of life, which [the Lord] promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempteth no man:
14 but each man is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then the lust, when it hath conceived, beareth sin: and the sin, when it is fullgrown, bringeth forth death.

Neither of which imply he cannot DO evil.  The bigger question..... perhaps for zolace....if God is all powerful....why would he need to do evil in order to work towards good?  He is allegedly all powerful.

In any event...it is clear the bible was written by men, fabricated to conform the masses and control them, to answer the unanswered questions of our fears.  Google "the evolution of religion" if you interested in the how religion comes naturally to every tribe around the globe as men became sentient in their own evolution.  This isnt for an guy like you who also denies the reality of evolution, but zolace might be interested.
1723  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does God judge the nations? on: August 13, 2014, 01:56:50 PM
I agree that Paul says that, for those that love God, all things work together for good (and that would include evil).

But, its another thing to say that God Himself would do something morally evil.  Apart from it not making sense (it would mean there is a Being higher than God Himself - CS Lewis' Mere Christianity actually touches upon this)....

Apart from that, there is the plain reading of scripture that God does not do moral evil.
Bible says god is good....so if god tells Moses that women and kids who believe in other gods should be killed...it must be good.


Im dying for the context that makes this OK .  I cant see it in any scripture you have mentioned.  You will have to break down and actually state your position on this clearly.  There is a first time for everything.
1724  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 01:42:16 PM
PS.  I'm not an atheist.  An atheist strongly believes there is no higher power.  I believe there may be an unknown power involved in the Universe's origins, and we just have no clue what it is and the bible is a fable.

A copy of the Bible book of Isaiah was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Outside of minor changes in the forms of the letters, the "old" Isaiah was virtually the same as the one that is used by the Jews today.

Now what kind of deluded people would copy by hand so accurately, something that was simply a fable? When you copy kids' stories by hand over dozens of generations, they change. Something happened way back at the time of Moses that was so earth-shattering that the people of Israel carry the tradition in their minds and hearts, right down to today.

If the Bible were a fable, it would not exist.

Smiley
Every atheist I have ever met has been joyful.  As an agnostic, I am about as happy a person you will ever meet.  My wife says I make her sick how I sing in the shower every morning no matter what.  You have no evidence atheists are not happy.


So, its just here that you are unhappy.  Well, that begets some interesting questions.


Ok, went looking through the link, scanning.  Could find nothing about atheists, let alone happy atheists.

So, with Norway being at the top of the list, and (I assume you are correct on this) them having a larger than usual percentage of atheists in the population, you have assumed that some conclusion can be made from atheists on that, yes?

Did you notice what factors were noted in the article that it said were factors in that rating?

I am not unhappy here.  I love calling you an asshole and a moron.  I am having a blast.  You have some nerve thinking you are capable of telling me how I feel.  I guess I should assume you are very unhappy in here since you are always getting your ass kicked ...no??
You make a good point, in that, zolace is not only unable to prove atheism is "bad", zolace can't provide any reasonable argument that his brand of beliefs are "good".
True that.  He can look at a thousand surveys saying they are all happy.  I can tell him Im the happiest person alive....but he KNOWS that no one can be truly happy unless they are a braindead indoctrinated fairy tale believer like himself.    There is no communicating with someone whose mind has turned off and tuned out.
1725  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does God judge the nations? on: August 13, 2014, 01:36:02 PM
I tell you what.  You tell me the context that makes it OKto kill women and children for their beliefs,  and I promise to look at it and study it and see if it changes my position.  Ive been asking you for this "context" that makes putting women and children to death for some time.  Give it to me and give me a chance to appreciate it and change my mind ok???
1726  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does God judge the nations? on: August 13, 2014, 01:25:26 PM
If this is indeed an act of the Creator, and since the Creator is the source of all Goodness - it cannot be evil.
What fascinates me is how you dodge questions, and ignore context. Perhaps you are feeling awkward also by your unintentional confession that humans are more than merely animals?

What fascinates me is that you continue to mention a context where killing women and children for their belief is OK without EVER saying what the context actually is.
1727  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 01:03:05 PM
PS.  I'm not an atheist.  An atheist strongly believes there is no higher power.  I believe there may be an unknown power involved in the Universe's origins, and we just have no clue what it is and the bible is a fable.

A copy of the Bible book of Isaiah was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Outside of minor changes in the forms of the letters, the "old" Isaiah was virtually the same as the one that is used by the Jews today.

Now what kind of deluded people would copy by hand so accurately, something that was simply a fable? When you copy kids' stories by hand over dozens of generations, they change. Something happened way back at the time of Moses that was so earth-shattering that the people of Israel carry the tradition in their minds and hearts, right down to today.

If the Bible were a fable, it would not exist.

Smiley
Every atheist I have ever met has been joyful.  As an agnostic, I am about as happy a person you will ever meet.  My wife says I make her sick how I sing in the shower every morning no matter what.  You have no evidence atheists are not happy.


So, its just here that you are unhappy.  Well, that begets some interesting questions.


Ok, went looking through the link, scanning.  Could find nothing about atheists, let alone happy atheists.

So, with Norway being at the top of the list, and (I assume you are correct on this) them having a larger than usual percentage of atheists in the population, you have assumed that some conclusion can be made from atheists on that, yes?

Did you notice what factors were noted in the article that it said were factors in that rating?

I am not unhappy here.  I love calling you an asshole and a moron.  I am having a blast.  You have some nerve thinking you are capable of telling me how I feel.  I guess I should assume you are very unhappy in here since you are always getting your ass kicked ...no??
1728  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 12:17:44 PM
The country with the most atheists also has the happiest people.  I already have proven that to you. Norway has ranked 1rst the past five years in a row.   http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/
1729  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 12:08:39 PM
PS.  I'm not an atheist.  An atheist strongly believes there is no higher power.  I believe there may be an unknown power involved in the Universe's origins, and we just have no clue what it is and the bible is a fable.

A copy of the Bible book of Isaiah was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Outside of minor changes in the forms of the letters, the "old" Isaiah was virtually the same as the one that is used by the Jews today.

Now what kind of deluded people would copy by hand so accurately, something that was simply a fable? When you copy kids' stories by hand over dozens of generations, they change. Something happened way back at the time of Moses that was so earth-shattering that the people of Israel carry the tradition in their minds and hearts, right down to today.

If the Bible were a fable, it would not exist.

Smiley
Every atheist I have ever met has been joyful.  As an agnostic, I am about as happy a person you will ever meet.  My wife says I make her sick how I sing in the shower every morning no matter what.  You have no evidence atheists are not happy.
1730  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 11:54:08 AM
My actions only indicate that I think your bible is a fairy tale.  They do not indicate I don't believe in some sort of power in the universe that you or I don't understand.   

Now that we have that cleared up...if atheism is bad....how do you explain the happiness of the people and the low crime of the nation with the highest percentage of atheists?

Ready go....you may start continue not answering the question.
1731  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Key Points about the Jewish religion on: August 13, 2014, 11:48:59 AM
All man is flawed, god is not. You can not use a flawed system to interpret a flawless system. Better off being agnostic.
1732  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 11:43:56 AM
PS.  I'm not an atheist.  An atheist strongly believes there is no higher power.  I believe there may be an unknown power involved in the Universe's origins, and we just have no clue what it is and the bible is a fable.
1733  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does God judge the nations? on: August 13, 2014, 11:35:20 AM
If this is indeed an act of the Creator, and since the Creator is the source of all Goodness - it cannot be evil.
1734  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 13, 2014, 11:32:21 AM
To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?
you are probably right.  Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism.  That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much.  Makes perfect sense

The fact other majority atheist  nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship.  The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights.
Your people have had more than 2000 years/
You've had a good run, but today people as stupid as you are a dying breed.
Today, and in the future people understand  that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and Jesus are all the same.
Even today,  people know you are a lying sack of shit when you  say Jesus answers your prayers. You can't present anything that supports your beliefs.
Can you give us any good reason to believe that you are not just paranoid/delusional ?
For all practical purposes,you are an atheist.  If a person talks like an atheist, thinks like an atheist, and poops like an atheist, well....

And no reasonable person would gather from his posts that rigon is happy - but, then, no reasonable person is making such a claim (rigon may not call himself an atheist either, but, see 2nd sentence above).

You all clearly have anger issues.
I am the happiest person you will ever meet. The life of every party.

Now that we have that cleared up...if atheism is bad....how do you explain the happiness of the people and the low crime of the nation with the highest percentage of atheists?

Ready go....start not answering the question now
1735  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Key Points about the Jewish religion on: August 13, 2014, 11:08:03 AM
Could a father die for the sins of his son, if he raised him to be sinful ??I know it's a question of nature vs nurture, but ..i don't know.
1736  Economy / Economics / Re: Tax crew:Is Not-for-profit rental a"property held for the production of income"? on: August 13, 2014, 10:48:18 AM
If you do not have a net profit from rents in 3 out of the last 5 years, then the property is presumed to be rented not for profit. In that case, you cannot offset excess losses against other income--only income from the property. You should see a tax professional, though, if you have questions.
1737  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 12, 2014, 06:36:59 PM
Zolace,if atheism is bad....how do you explain the happiness of the people and the low crime of the nation with the highest percentage of atheists?

Ready go....start not answering the question now.
1738  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 12, 2014, 06:33:49 PM
To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?
you are probably right.  Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism.  That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much.  Makes perfect sense

The fact other majority atheist  nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship.  The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights.
Interesting - last question was not addressed.  Last two really.

Now, what you did post on, you are taking issue with the OP.  Not sure still you even understand their point.  But, lets ask this - of the examples the link gives, which ones were dictatorships, and which ones were not?

All of them were essentially dictatorships during whatever brief period of promotion of state atheism.

I'm not sure what questions you refer to .  Atheism offers plenty of hope ......Hope to throw off the yoke of superstition ....hope to no longer be stupid.     In any event, it doesn't have to offer hope....it just is.   The reality is that your bible is a book of fairy tales and folk lure.  The reality is that there is nothing about atheism that makes people bad.  I have proven that.
1739  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does God judge the nations? on: August 12, 2014, 06:28:10 PM
Believing in the Buddha has really led those monks down the path of evil hasnt it?   Seriously  that may have been the dumbest thing you have ever said.  And in the long litany of  that has come off your keyboard there is some stiff competition for the  award.   I suppose you will be the first person to volunteer to put those evil bastards to death.

The evil of believing in the Buddha isn't in the fact of the good living that they proclaim. It is in the fact that they think that anybody can ever be good enough to live forever one way or another.

Eternal life isn't something mystical. Rather, it is something ultra-scientific. It is logical. For example, if you could take all the pollution out of our lives, and add only wholesome foods, destroy the inherent degradations in our cells, and think only pure thoughts, we could live for a long time - maybe hundreds of years.

The problem is, we don't know what it is like to do this. Buddhism goes in that direction somewhat. The problem with Buddhism is that it doesn't, can't, go far enough, just like Hinduism.

While Christianity doesn't go as far as Buddhism and Hinduism in the actual living, practical operations, Christianity goes all the way in preparing people for eternal life.

God is ultimately going to destroy this universe because of the evil that has come about in it; God can't stand even the tiniest bit of evil. He is offering us a method in faith in Jesus to gain eternal life in the New Universe He is creating... a Universe that will have no evil in it, no flaws, no capability for potential mistakes, yet freedom, love, and goodness for all who live therein.

You are free to make your choice. God might entice you, He might call to you, He slap you around a little, all so that you wake up and join with Him. He is the only way to eternal life. He is doing it for your own good. No matter what you think, history makes it obvious that everyone dies in this life. At least giver yourself a chance. Turn to God.

Smiley
why dont you tell us the context in which an instruction to kill women and children for a belief in another god is OK?    Can you do that or will you do the normal thing and allude to some hidden context in some scripture whereby we are supposed to use our ESP to figure out exactly what you might be referring to?  I really dont need a response like...."you clearly ignored the context in Chapter/verse" orthe above ":note that you refuse to consider context".  Ive heard you say shit like that now for days without actually ever explaining the context that might make murdering people OK.   Tell us the context where killing women and children for a belief is OK and dont simply allude to it.  When is it OK for me to put my neighbor to death for believing in another god?  Why was it OK for people to do it back then?

If context matters so much, why have you not yet shared the context that can make killing others for their beliefs acceptable?  This seems to be the thrust of your argument...so fucking make it already!!!  I anxiously await a detailed description of the exact context that makes it OK to kill people for their beliefs.
1740  Other / Politics & Society / Re: State Atheism on: August 12, 2014, 06:21:21 PM
To clarify the 'hope' - how would you 'sell' the idea?  Humans want both truth and hope - but usually hunger for hope more.

And since there is agreement that not all dictators are evil, do we have an example of a dictator promoting atheism that was not evil?
you are probably right.  Noth Korea was a wonderful place before the dictator promoted state atheism.  That was when they plummetted into the despair of human rights abuses. If Kim Jong only he let the people have their religion, then he wouldnt have abused them so much.  Makes perfect sense

The fact other majority atheist  nations have a population with low crime and happy people must be the spurious relationship.  The fact almost none of the 9% of american atheists are in prison can only mean Satan is helping them avoid capture by the godly police....because clearly they are all without morals and abusers of human rights.
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