indigenous tribes back then in the freedom orientated open borders of the unspoilt lands of the once north american utopia were like innocent young girls breezing through unspoilt summer meadows, until ...

nasty vicious germanic anglo saxon pillagers and rapists with diseased cocks descended upon these beautiful lands uninvited like charles manson at a children's birthday party, pulling out their evil cocks and buggering the hell out of all godly innocence once pure and untouched

... the rest is history, with a thief like grab for land and self serving laws invented to rob land off those original souls now poor and dispossessed, with rootin' and tooting' and shooting' and shouting "thars gold in them hills" where every hill billy from europe and beyond took to americee like a disease, to create a hotch potch of crime ridden and gun crazy death penalty obsessed and self obsessed group of the world's largest mega-fattest states, mainly with religious conservative gun toting nut jobs outranking an underclass of many decent liberal americans. all in all the original natives were a decent bunch .

Talking about fantastical examples of magic that have never happened and will never happen when discussing evidence of god is about as pointless an exercise as you can imagine....and ....you can imagine a whole slew of pointless exercises. Rather than discussing imaginary made up crazy shit that might make us think god is real....I have a novel idea. Why not discuss actual evidence that indicates God is real?

let me try to explain this one last time to a man who is clearly among the world's dumbest.

Just because I disagree with you does not mean:

1) I just didn't understand you
2) I wasn't paying attention
3) I just need to read it again,
4) etc etc.


I disagree with you because I have a valid reason for me to do so.  It is FAR more logical that a dead person would be alive through some cloning or reanimation process rather than from a magic wand.  However, since there is zero evidence and zero reason to believe that a dead rotten person has ever come back to life, talking about it is absurd.

Now....when it comes to your example of seeing someone who was dead and rotting......then seeing them alive....even in today's world a more logical explanation than magic is tissue reanimation or cloning.   2000 years ago I would have believed it to be god.  But MY POINT was that debating how many elves are required to dance on the head of a pin in order to believe in god is absurd, since no elf ever existed and certainly none that could dance on the head of a pin.  Get it?   Arguing how many days post mortem rotting body would I accept God if I saw said body again in good condition  is a silly exercise .  Since no evidence exists that any rotting dead body has ever come to life for any reason.....discussing its merit as possible evidence of a god makes no sense...like you.

NO, that is NOT what I said. Please try to pay attention. 

 Lots of things could occur that would make me believe in God.  I clearly stated that factual evidence of God's existence is what I require.  I clearly defined factual evidence.  Just because none has ever been presented does not mean it cannot yet someday exist. 

Same answer. It remains more plausible that the cloning technology exists without our knowledge this very week as opposed to a supernatural man in the sky,  Sorry you don't like my answer . It is my answer and is far more logical to me.  Pondering how many fairies it would take to dance on the head of a pin for me to believe in god is a complete waste of time. Since no fairies will ever dance on the head of a head, why the fuck are we pondering it?   What you need to do and you have not....is present the evidence of god that you believe exists.

As yet incomplete existing technology of growing tissue from genetic material is a far more plausible explanation than a magic man.  Is there something you don't understand about that answer?  It doesn't assume an advanced civilization that there is no evidence for.  It assumes we have merely gone a bit farther technologically.   We now grow organs and tissues all the time.   Your example of a dead rotting tissue of man being turned back into a man is just an extension of existing technology that theoretically is very possible.  Not a race of advanced people (or a magical god) that I am imagining.   The most plausible answer is usually correct.   However, there is no real situation to back up your story so why are we even wasting our time thinking of plausible reasons for a story that has no evidence?

LOL. Im sorry you misunderstood me.  I actually didn't say it would be direct evidence of a creator .   Read again.   I said my first inclination would be to accept cloning or reanimation of the life that I witnessed die.  God is a more far-fetched explanation even in your example.  I would also consider a winged fairy dancing on a pin and shitting elephants as possible evidence of god.  But why on earth do we consider stories without evidence such as your example and mine, as something that "could be evidence if it were true"?   There can be no greater waste of time than pondering whether god could be considered real if crazy shit without evidence were to start happening in front of us.

I have a better idea.  Lets talk about REAL things and not stories without evidence.  What real evidence do you have ?   Body of facts indicating God is real.    Can you name one?

I already answered yes.  I would first assume something more probable such as reanimation of tissue by cloning by an advanced civilization, which is far more logical than a supreme being waved his magic wand.

But pondering fairy tales is not my forte.  How about some evidence?   Got any?

I answered the question.  A body of facts supporting the existence of a supreme being.  That is the definition of evidence.  I require some facts that say God is real.  Our existence and the amazing world we live in is not evidence, direct or indirect.

What facts would be required?  A talk with God directly, some direct evidence, we need to see Moses part the sea, we need to see something for it to constitute evidence.  You creationists ought to be experts at this.  You don't count any of the evidence of evolution as valid....you call it historical and cast doubt on it.   Well guess what, this criteria that you created should also apply to evidence of your god not???....there is no factual evidence that I am aware.

You know exactly what a body of facts are and you know what evidence is. I told you what factual evidence is (and what I would require).   I only reiterated what you already know about evidence .

Now, can you be honest and tell me what they are?   What are the evidences (body of facts) of his existence?

Seriously .....what purpose does it serve to imagine fantastic stories that would convince us of a god?  If a caped bearded guy floated down from space eating apples and shitting fruit cocktail I may also consider that as pretty good evidence of god.   But who gives a fuck?   I'm looking for actual evidence and not stories for which there is no evidence.

If you believe that there is evidence, you are free to present it.  Clearly you have none or you would have presented it long ago.

A B-52H from the 2nd Bomb Wing, Barksdale Air Force Base, Louisiana. A squadron from BAFB flew non-stop from the US to Iraq in January 1991 to drop the first strategic munitions of Desert Storm. They then landed in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia and continued their mission from there

My all time favorite is and always will be the B52. The BUFF (Big Ugly Fat Fucker) is the longest serving military aircraft in use today, the first models flying 62 years ago and in combat service 59 years ago. They have evolved and morphed into whatever the strategic and tactical needs of the battlefield have been. They flew nuclear airborne alert surrounding the USSR in Operation Chrome Dome, massive carpet bombing over SE Asia in Operation Linebacker, and ground hugging as well as high altitude bombing in Operation Desert Storm. I watched flights launch with water injection into the exhaust to create enough steam propulsion to get the fully loaded planes off the ground that the sky would darken to nearly night time even at noon. They were so heavy from fuel and weapons that 8 engines were not enough to get airborne. They also did precision attacks with laser guided weapons and Tomahawk missiles during Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi freedom. The plane has been declared obsolete several times but is always resurrected in a new role that can't be done by any other plane. When bombing Iraqi Republican Guard emplacements a buddy said he felt the ground shake over 100 miles away near the Kuwait border. They would drop leaflets the day before warning what was coming so the smarter guys would run off. They saved countless lives. They are not BUFFs, they are beautiful.

Ill give you some examples :

1) The world is an amazing place that we cannot fully explain.

That's all fine and well but because we are stupid and cant explain everything is hardly evidence for anything other than we are stupid.

2)  There are writings that say people spoke to god.  There are writings of (insert anything here)

Heresay of heresay.  Not evidence of anything.  Not even indirect evidence twice removed.

3)  Unexplainable (miracles) happen.

If unexplainable and seemingly impossible events NEVER happened, that might constitute evidence of god.  Statistics says the unexplainable should happen with a certain regularity.


Your turn.
  Got anything?

Factual evidence of god.  A body of FACTS (evidence) indicating god is real.

I am aware of none.   You are free to present facts that indicate there is a god.   I am listening.

People that watch the news are unemployed and/or have too much time on their hands .

yeah I was making a point when your paying is per post and per click but we should not be expected to make a sale if we are getting paid per post.  You had to post my private message to you was unprofessional and should have kept it within that level.  Have a good day.  also im sure you are looking at clicks then at sales also, cause then what kind of results are you talking about, if this is true people wanna know there results, you should tell them, tell me my results, show me a screen shot if you wanna go this far.

I repeat.  What it would take is actual factual evidence that not only could not be explained in naturalistic terms, but provides factual evidence of god. That is quite clear.   Got anything? 

Not being explained by men in naturalistic terms is not evidence of god, it is evidence of something as yet unexplainable by men who aren't too smart.  It would need to be both unexplainable by men and direct evidence of a creator.

I have never seen or been made aware of any direct factual evidence of god.  If you think evidence of god exists......I have asked you to present it and yet you obfuscate.    You are so in love with your belief of god, why do you fail to present any evidence that you believe exists?

It would look like evidence.  Do you need a dictionary? 

Evidence - the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Do you have any evidence?    Please list the BODY OF FACTS that indicate your god is real.   They should come rolling off your fingertips Tomas.

Ready go.

Not much.  Just one piece of evidence would convince me.  Care to present any?  I know you think you have, but you have not presented one single shred of evidence that can be held up as proof of a creator. You can do so now and convince me.  All I require is a single proof.