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361  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How your feels? on: March 01, 2024, 06:48:06 AM
For as long as we are betting within our means, there is no problem with it. It's too immature and irresponsible if we're making regrets on things from the past unless we make bets that are beyond our means. Part of me felt some regret when I bet big amounts of crypto but then again I have tons of them in the past. It was not the best to burn portfolio but it was sports betting so it's not like the chances of winning is purely on luck. Most of my betting experiences though I only bet amounts that I can afford to lose so I don't care if their value increased or decreased at present.
362  Local / Pilipinas / Re: Bitcoin new ATH malapit na! on: February 29, 2024, 02:06:15 PM
My goodness. Sa loob lang ng ilang araw lang umabot na ng $63k si bitcoin at nasa February pa lang tayo or just the second month sa taon na ito. Baka nga next month ay mabasag na kaagad ang ATH. Inaasahan ko medyo malaking koreksyon pagkatapos nitong bullrun. Kaya siguro mag sell na rin ako by tranche. Buy back na lang din later on dahil meron pang mas malaking bull run next year. At least meron na gains pangdagdag capital sa next run.

Sa kasalukuyang presyo ng bitcoin ay possible na rin talaga ang $200k na bagong ATH next year. 
363  Local / Pamilihan / Re: Binance being banned in the Philippines in a few days on: February 29, 2024, 01:42:06 PM
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Ayaw mo ba na sa non custodial wallet ilagay yung altcoins mo then gamit ka ng DEX. Mura pa dn kasi ang fee ng BSC kahut ngayon pump ang market. Ito kasi ang gngamit ko now na Blockchain sa paghold ng mga alts ko. Bumibili lng ako ng mga Wrap tokens ng ibang blockchain para nakainvest pa dn ako sa value ng ibang alts outside bsc.


Yan din balak ko last year pa. Siguro mas nasanay lang ako sa mga CEXs. Iba pa rin kasi CEXs at mas mabilis at cheaper rin pagdating sa cashouts. Pero later on pag wala na ibang better options ay mapunta talaga ako sa DEXs.

May nabasa akong post sa Pilipinas section mate about sa stand now ng SEC from Bitpinas and ito ang sinasabi


May update na kabayan sa BitPinas at mukhang hindi pa nila nafafinalize kung paano nila gagawin yung ban, so most likely hindi na matutuloy yung plano nila para bukas:

  • “The SEC is currently evaluating all possible ramifications of the blocking, including implications to Filipino customer funds. We are also working with other government agencies on the procedure of restraining unregistered entities’ operations in the Philippines.”
parang hirap sila sa implimentasyon and baka hindi nila lubos na napaghandaan ang bagay na to kahit 90 days na ang warning nila.

Sobrang hirap talaga yan lalo na behind pagdating sa technology ang ating gobyerno. Daming pondo at maraming mamahalin na kagamitan pero zero to low quality mga systems.

Pero sa tono ng BitPinas update ay mukhang di talaga bigyan ng gobyerno ang hiling ng Binance na magkaroon ng license.
364  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2024 NBA Season on: February 29, 2024, 01:22:12 PM
I disagree, dude is the best player in a first ranked team, with 27 points, 8.5 rebounds and 5 assists. Thats good enough for a MVP discussion without a doubt, this should be something that would benefit even if we keep just the "best player in a first ranked team", not even east only, we are talking about both east and west, that's a damn good team and he is the best player in that team. What else would you need for someone to be in MVP discussion? That should be the most important part. I believe that he is much better than all other candidates so far, everyone else plays great in either bad teams, or teams that are still worse than Celtics, so it should be recognized that Tatum is having a great year.

Many factors determine whether a player deserves the MVP trophy or not. I think both the team results and the individual stats of a player are important. As for Tatum, he is certainly good and is the best player on his team. However, if you compare his stats with players like Giannis, Embiid, Jokic, and Luka, it'll be clear why he's behind them in the race for the MVP trophy.

Obviously, Tatum is a great player and is one of the best. He is definitely the best in Boston as well. But the numbers do not lie. Tatum is not yet a top 5 for now. Guys like Luka, Shai, Jokic, Embiid and Giannis are the ones dominating the stats. And that will be a huge disrespect if Tatum gets the MVP nod.

Tatum has great teammates which is why many players are leading in numbers but the accuracy stats also say he is not yet in there as an MVP. He is still 25 though and has a lot of years in him. There is also room for improvement.
365  Local / Pilipinas / Re: Philippines SEC will Ban Binance. Effectivity End of Feb. 2024 on: February 29, 2024, 12:57:49 PM
So since wala naman silang sinabing official na ban na talaga ang Binance isa lang ibig sabihin nyan kundi extended ang palugit nila since pag-aaralan pa nila yung mga dapat nilang gawin sa mga unregistered cryptocurrency exchange na nag-ooperate within the Philippines. Sa tingin ko ay matutuwa dito yung mga ipit yung funds nila sa Binance since kinakabahan sila nung mga nakaraang araw dahil akala nila may isang salita ang SEC. 😅

At isa na ako dun sa mga natuwa na walang new statement sa government. Nagsimula na sana ako magwidraw pero dahil ramdam ko na walang blocked na mangyari within this month ay nilipat ko pa tuloy ibang coins ko galing Kucoin to Binance.

Pati sa Binance wala silang official statement. Pero ang dami rin naman kasing mga Binance users na nagcontact sa customer service at lahat sila sinabihan na di naman ma-freeze accounts nila. At least nakakuha pa ko ng unting PORTAL coins kanina sa launch pool dahil sa pagstake ng BNB.
366  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Jason Moloney vs Reymart Gaballo WBO Bantamweight Title (May 12) on: February 29, 2024, 12:37:34 PM
A lot are rooting for Gaballo to pull an upset and bring home a title for the country. I for one is also hoping for an upset but I always vote what my mind says. I say Gaballo only has a punchers chance here. Moloney is capable of scoring a knockout too but he also has decent skills while he is already fighting at home and is also the defending champion. Gaballo is used to winning by knockout and is only fighting once a year since suffering his first defeat at the hands of Donaire and he might gassed out in the later rounds if he cannot knockout Moloney in the first half.

It's true, we will support our Filipino boxers no matter what, but if we will decide without emotions, I think some of us here are going to vote or bet on Moloney. Although I think Moloney has been in some crazy wars, I think he might still pull the trigger and will destroy our very own Gaballo. But it's going to be a war, I don't see Gaballo easily giving up his dreams unless it will be a body shot that he can't recover.

So he will be looking for a early knockout, but he should be ready for a grueling 12 round fight if necessary and training to have a lot of gas tank that can last him the full distance. If he faded in the latter rounds after dominating Moloney early, it will be a tough lost for him.

It's sad that the sport that is producing the most and the best in the country is not getting the support it deserves. Even Manny Pacquiao has more budget and attention to the other sport than boxing that brought him from rags to riches.

Gaballo definitely has to train harder although this could  be too late to make huge adjustments. Gaballo will probably push early and try to score a knockout but pretty sure Moloney knows it. Moloney will fight backwards and will use his skills if Gaballo goes for the knockout early.
367  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Devin Haney vs Ryan Garcia on April 20 on: February 29, 2024, 12:15:50 PM
^^ If I'm not mistaken, Haney could have the advantage if the fight is going to be in Vegas. But regardless though, it could have been the capacity of the venue that why they move it to New York. And I think their fans are going to travel as Garcia's fanbase is LA. Seen some footage of Ryan Garcia in Twitter, fast hands, but it's just a matter on whether he can executed it against the defense of Haney. And at 140 lbs, both could be in the best shape of their lives as they will be no problems with weight management specially with Ryan as he had problems with 135 lbs when he fought Tank Davis. But against Duarte, we can see that his body is build like a natural jr. welterweight.

Both are from LA but Haney is residing in Vegas so maybe it is an advantage for him if the fight is held there. But I think Ryan is banking on Vegas for the expensive ticket sales. The venue will be smaller in Vegas but it is expected to be more expensive which is why it can generate more money than the other venues.

It's not that hard to look good in training. Even none pros can be good in videos too. Ryan did not looked fast in his last fight at 140. But we'll see if there are improvements. What is clear though is Haney looks good, not in training but in his last fight against an experienced 2 time champion.
368  Local / Pamilihan / Re: NBA discussion, betting and etc. on: February 28, 2024, 04:16:44 PM
Balik alat ako sa NBA at sa DOTA 2 ah. Sana makabawi sa mga games mamaya.

1. Cavs @Chicago- Cavs -6.5 dahil need nila ipakita na nasa ibang level sila kumpara sa Bulls na parang semi-rebuilding lang ang status dahil injured si LaVine at inaasahan rin na di na babalik sa team.

2. Multibet on the ML of TWolves and the Denver Nuggets. The Timberwolves will have too much firepower against the undermanned Grizzlies. I like the Kings and the Nuggets but the former just came from a loss at home. And Denver is the second best team when it comes to playing at home.
369  Local / Pamilihan / Re: Binance being banned in the Philippines in a few days on: February 28, 2024, 03:03:42 PM
Ilang araw nalang o mahigit isang linggo bago ang banning ng Binance sa Pilipinas. Nakapag-lipat na ba kayo ng funds niyo o baka may nakalimutan pa na ilipat ito sa ibang safe na wallet or exchange lalo na sa ilang traders na prefer ang exchange na may P2P.

Ano anong mga exchange ang nalipatan ninyo na tingin niyo ay hindi kasama sa mababan ngayong darating na February 29?

Sa Ledger ko nilipat lahat ng assets ko. Napabili ako ng Nano S Plus ng wala sa oras lol. Sakit sa bulsa ng ETH and BTC tx fee   Cry

Ganun talaga. Kumbaga kumita naman tayo sa BTC at ETH pero ang sakit rin ng fees. Pero worth it pa rin yan lalo pag nasa 6 digits naman so maigiging maliit na porsiyento na lang ang fees.

Mas ramdam ng mga small holders ang fees. Kaya ang ginawa ko sa mga coins ay binenta ko na lang at kinonvert sa altcoin na mas mababa ang fees at lipat sa ibang exchanges lang din na hindi kasama sa namention ng Ph authorities. Bullrun rin kasi kaya okay na saken meron akong portfolio na nasa exchange para anytime pwede mag buy at sell na wala ng fees.
370  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: February 28, 2024, 02:11:50 PM
While it is clear that Canelo at this stage of his career is trying to cherry pick, PBC also has no money and has no network backing capable of guaranteeing a huge purse. And if PBC wanted Mungia, that's a GBP fighter. DAZN is the network of GBP and it has a case to just steal Canelo from PBC and bring him back to the network probably via Matchroom.

For me, the corrupt WBC under the leadership of Mauricio is to be blamed. It's playing games and is trying to convince the casuals that it is reliable. It's simple, just issue a deadline for both Canelo and Benavidez to reach a deal. If there is no deal then issue a date for the purse bid and if Canelo is not participating then simply strip him of the title. End of story.
371  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Jason Moloney vs Reymart Gaballo WBO Bantamweight Title (May 12) on: February 28, 2024, 01:19:01 PM
A lot are rooting for Gaballo to pull an upset and bring home a title for the country. I for one is also hoping for an upset but I always vote what my mind says. I say Gaballo only has a punchers chance here. Moloney is capable of scoring a knockout too but he also has decent skills while he is already fighting at home and is also the defending champion. Gaballo is used to winning by knockout and is only fighting once a year since suffering his first defeat at the hands of Donaire and he might gassed out in the later rounds if he cannot knockout Moloney in the first half.
372  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2024 NBA Season on: February 28, 2024, 10:38:18 AM
Damn look at the score between the Milwaukee Bucks and the Charlotte Hornets. Is this a first in the history of the NBA? It's almost the end of the third quarter and the Charlotte Hornets have only scored 39 points (26 points in the 1st half). The Milwaukee Bucks are playing impressive defense today and the Charlotte Hornets are shooting bricks. I thought Charlotte really improved because they manage to get 4-0 after the trades. And look what they're doing now vs the Bucks. Lmao.

The game was a mismatch. The Bucks were able to dominate in the early quarters by huge margins that they can afford to rest Lillard and Giannis early. Milwaukee more than doubled the score of Charlotte in the first half. The total score of Charlotte would've been worser if the Bucks did not rest its main stars and continued the carnage.

Charlotte improved but the Bucks are also improving. It seems like the Milwaukee Bucks are back as a notorious team. Lillard is also producing quality numbers since the All Star break. So far Doc Rivers is now 3-0 since the long break.
373  Local / Pilipinas / Re: Aside from crypto ano pa pinagkakaabalahan nyo? (2) on: February 27, 2024, 03:14:55 PM
Bukod sa crypto, nahilig ako bumili ng mga classic na motor at magrestore nito sa sarili kong garahe. May iilan na rin akong nabuong mga motor mula 70s hanggang 90s na dinidisplay ko lang o binebenta sa ibang mga kolektor. Onti na lang kasi ang need kong ilaan na oras para sa trabaho dahil di naman na ako required pumasok ng walong oras simula nung napromote. Maayos na side hustle rin, kasi pawis, onting pera, at passion lang ang puhunan at meron pang satisfaction kasi may nabubuo kang mga piyesa na sa iba e tinatapon na lang.

Meron din akong ilang account sa mga online games gaya ng CABAL. Isa kasi 'to sa mga laro na kinaadikan ko noon, at sa ngayon e ginagawa ko na lang siyang libangan at kumikita rin ng maayos yung ilang account. Medyo malaki nga lang ang puhunan pero mababawi mo rin naman siya sa loob ng ilang buwan.

Sa crypto e madalas puro pagbabasa na lang ng mga news ang ginagawa ko. Okay na naman ako sa kung anong meron ako sa bitcoin at ibang crypto, pero di rin masama sumundot ng buys kapag talagang maayos ang presyo o may recent na crash.
Wow! Sana ol! Pangyayamanin itong mga pinagkakaabalahan mo kabayan. Ang pinakagusto ko sa sinabi mo ay yung kaya mong imanage oras mo sa work at iba pang bagay na kinahihiligan mo though not literally but base sa obserbasyon ko lang ay nagawa mo pang kumita ng extra sa gaming, crypto at collection ng mga classic motorcycles so dyan pa lang ay makikita ko na yung success dahil walang nasasayang sa oras mo.

Ito kasi ang dream ng karamihan, kumikita sa passion. Parang hindi na rin trabaho ang tawag dahil gusto mo gawin. Pero mukhang pangmayaman nga pag mahilig sa mga classics na motor dahil rare at mahirap na hanapan ng pyesa. At di rin boring ang araw kasi bukod sa motor ay naglalaro rin ng mga online games at the best dahil meron rin earnings. I wonder ano pa ibang online games na maganda ang kitaan. Gusto ko rin sana sumubok like Flyff kaso di ko linya MMORPG. Sana meron mala-Mobile Legends sa crypto na sisikat this cycle.
374  Local / Pilipinas / Re: Estratehiya sa Paginvest sa Cryptocurrency on: February 27, 2024, 02:53:37 PM
DCA at long term Holding ako. Tama, magandang way ang DCA para sa mga katulad nating gusto mag-invest na maliit na halaga sa bawat interval at nagbibigay din ito financial flexibility. At ang HODLing naman ay epektibo para sakin dahil naniniwala ako sa potensiyal ng Bitcoin, at meron din akong target selling price, siguro pag nahit o malampasan ang current ATH.

Yung Day trading ang hindi ko pa napag-aaralan, advanced strategy na kasi ito at need ng mataas na level ng technical analysis sa pag monitor ng market at napaka risky.

Parang ako lang to ah. Except na lang siguro sa trading dahil pinag aralan ko iyon noon. Di nga lang nagwork many times. At siguro di ko rin talaga siya linya dahil ang bilis kung nakalimutan mga natutunan ko noon.

So sa ngayon focus lang ako sa pag HODL. Pansamantala ko na tinapos bitcoin DCA para naman meron akong budget at panahon makasakay sa mga potential coins this year at next year.

Meron rin ako mga selling price specially kay bitcoin. ATH ang onwards para di rin mabenta lahat sakali lilipad pa talaga. Sa current price ng bitcoin mukhang possible talaga mag ATH this year at pangmangyari yan ay mas mataas pa ang potential next year.
375  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Lomachenko vs. Kambosos - May 12 IBF Lightweight Title on: February 27, 2024, 12:47:25 PM
This type of trickery and the attitude of avoiding risk is making me speculate if Tank was really injured vs. Pitbull Cruz. I reckon if someone proposes a rematch, Tank will avoid Pitbull similar to Canelo and his avoidance of Benavidez hehehee.

He didn't give Pitbull the rematch, he has has move on. But we all know that he is fighting lesser and soft opponents. Again, it could have been because they want to preserved his unbeaten record like his mentor Floyd.

Tank avoided the rematch with Pitbull but when the latter struggled against the green but awkward Giovanni Cabrera in his last fight, a rematch was mentioned again. But maybe because of the many criticisms that Tank is just cherry picking and only wanted the rematch when Pitbull was showing weak in its last fight it failed to materialize probably because of the network unwilling to guarantee of a big purse.

Anyways, I expect Loma to win and become champion again. But I do not think he still has enough left to beat Shakur. Shakur just said he is fighting again but will only honor the last remaining fight with Top Rank. So I am not sure if there are networks and promoter that are willing to offer more money for a boring fighter like Shakur.
376  Local / Pilipinas / Re: Crypto Vending Machine on: February 27, 2024, 12:13:50 PM
Nacurious tuloy ako kung sino ang behind sa mga promotions ng Bitcoin Cash dito sa Pinas. Ilang years ko na rin napansin yan at hindi lang sa Leyte. Dati sa Metro Manila ata yun, meron isang jeepney na fully painted ng Bitcoin Cash. Nasa Boracay rin ata tong Paytaca.

Good news pa rin ito overall sa crypto adoption dito sa Pinas. Growing rin ang Paytaca at sana makapag convince sila ng mga tao na pumasok sa crypto. Tsaka mataas pa rin naman ng trading volume ng BCH sa mundo at accepted rin ng mga malalaking exchanges.
377  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2024 NBA Season on: February 27, 2024, 11:49:29 AM
Nonetheless, Philly is indeed struggling to maintain its ranking since the injury of Joel Embiid. Embiid if expected to return later or in the playoffs provided the team can make it.
They are still at number 5 in the standings now, but their numbers are going down, 3-7 in their last 10 games, that's trouble. Embiid can't return in the playoffs as that is not safe for the team. If he wants to make this team competitive in the playoffs, he should return before the playoffs, as the longer he is out, the struggles will continue. I won't be surprised if they drop to 10th and will just play for the play-in tournament to have a chance to qualify.

For this Philly team, time is very important, and that is to get Embiid back in action, provided he's 100% already.

We'll see if the team can make adjustments and be able to hold a spot inside top 8 at the end of the season. There's still 25 games in the regular season and that is a lot. Team president Daryl Morey is still hopeful for Embiid's availability in the playoffs. But it is indeed also a risky move if they will let Embiid play even if not fully healed. Maybe it depends on the team they are playing in the playoffs, Boston and Miami are dangerous but the other less experienced team could be winnable. Embiid will be evaluated in about a month so there will be a better assessment of his return by that time.
378  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: February 27, 2024, 11:26:52 AM
Anyway, dreamleague is starting but Im skipping the bo2 group stage for sure lol
I didn't noticed that and the games are almost over, the last one that is in-game right now is 1.win and Aurora. I see that this is an online type of tournament. I thought that it's another LAN and those that have participated the past tournaments were also part of this.

I'd also avoid these BO2 games, they're terrible. You'll never know if these players are gonna make some experiments or they get serious with it. But I think the ones that are serious during this time can't even make it a whole 2-0 games although some already did.

It's just hard to comprehend these bo2 games.

Yes, it's only a online tournament. But it's good for to the teams that participated Games of the Future in Kazan, especially Xtreme Gaming who won the tournament but with only 1 day window for this DreamLeague.

Anyways, I was also planning to not bet on the BO2 games because I am bad at it over the years. I was still tempted to bet on Shopify Rebellion taking map 1 against Aurora but when it lost I am done with it. Maybe I'll try to look for the top teams losing the first map and then bet on the second map although odds could be low.

Meanwhile, MinD_ContRoL was kicked out of Tundra after issues with MoonMeander and Zai are becoming irreconcilable. I don't know what happens since Tundra is playing against Secret and Liquid later.
379  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2024 NBA Season on: February 26, 2024, 05:07:33 PM
I watched a game for the first time since the All-Star fiasco and Milwaukee beat Philly very comfortably. While the Sixers were focused on Giannis, other Bucks players hit wide open threes from outside and led by 21 at half time. The fact that they made 7 extra threes made the difference. Giannis didn't have to do much as the Bucks maintained the scoring margin throughout the game. Until Embiid comes back, the Sixers have a very difficult job. He'll be back before the playoffs start, which is good news, but the Sixers need to do better while he's out.

It's the 3 point shooting of the BUcks that made a major difference in this game. Lillard still got his confidence after winning the 3 point shootout as he was 4-8 from that area. However, it was really Beasley who had a very impressive game with 6-7. If Bucks could keep their consistency from beyond the arc, they'll be hard to beat as they could also dominate the paint with the size of Giannis and Lopez.

Easy win by the Bucks. The Bucks were firing from all cylinders and Philly simply has no answer. Bucks scored 2 more threes with less than 9 attempts. Overall the Bucks had 7 more successful FG with less than 18 FGA. Lillard is producing better numbers nowadays after winning the MVP crown in the All Stars.

Shame I did not place a bet because of Doc's unlucky start. Nonetheless, Philly is indeed struggling to maintain its ranking since the injury of Joel Embiid. Embiid if expected to return later or in the playoffs provided the team can make it.
380  Local / Pamilihan / Re: NBA discussion, betting and etc. on: February 26, 2024, 04:33:09 PM
Ang haba ng break ko sa NBA betting. Sana na-refreshed natong utak ko at swertihin para sa mga laro bukas.

1. Suns vs Lakers- Phoenix Suns -4.5
2. GSW vs Nuggets- Denver Nuggets -1.5
3. Hawks vs Magic- Atlanta Hawks -1
4. Clippers vs Kings- Sacramento Kings +6
5. Multibet on heavy favorite teams: Jazz, OKC and Cavs

Kailangan na manalo muli ng Suns para di sila maglaglag sa rankings. Tsaka nasa homecourt sila kaya dapat matalo nila itong Lakers. Pangbalik momentum na rin ito ng Suns dahil galing sila sa sunod-sunod na talo.

Sa Suns lang tayo pareho ng taya the rest salungat na sa pick mo. No 2. Bakit pinili ko Golden State Warriors kasi bukod sa Home Court advancetage nila is in last 15 games nila ang ganda na ng records ng Warriors samantalang ang Nuggets medyo struggling 2-3 sila in last 5 games. No. 3 Well Homecourt ulit ng Hawks to last game talo sila i feel na same ang mangyayari hindi consistent si Trae Young at based na panunuod ko sa kanila walang chemistry yung mga play nila mababa pa ang FG percentage nila. No.4 Basta Clippers ako dito kahit -10 pa. Yun lang. Good luck sa mga bets natin for todays game,🤞

Nako nakatsamba pa at naperfect 5 NBA bets ko. Talo nga lang ako ng isa sa mga bets ko kahapon dahil sa DOTA 2. Anyways, lahat ng teams na may chance sa playoffs need talaga mag step up unless kuntento na mapasok lang within top 8.

@inthelongrun
Gandang laban itong Suns at Lakers, bumalik na pala si Nurkic, kaya malaki ang chance nilang manalo. Dikit lang ang laban ngayon, pero since losing streak na ang Suns, gusto ko ang spot nila na mananalo sila ngayon. Saka ang aga pala ng larong ito, pagising ko 1st quarter na, good luck kabayan.

Actually both teams kailangan manalo kasi mababa rin ang ranking ng Lakers, ang maganda sa larong ito ay kumpleto both teams, parang playoffs atmosphere na rin.

Oo kabayan balik na si Nurkic at ang ganda pa ng pinakita niya kanina. 22 rebounds, 7 assists at 7 of 12. Akala ko easy win na ng Suns yun dahil first quarter pa lang pinaulanan na kaagad Lakers. Yun pala naging close pa ang laro later on. Taas rin accuracy pinakita nina Bron at AD kaso naging difference talaga ang rebounding ng Suns.


Para bukas isa lang muna at e-try kung pahabain ang win streak.

1. Knicks vs Pistons- New York Knicks -11.5


 
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